Stalin bust has Virginia town red-faced

[chanel]

The small town of Bedford, Va., is home to 21 men who sacrificed their lives on D-Day, June 6, 1944. It is now also the home of one of the world's few public memorial busts of communist dictator Josef Stalin.

Local citizens and organizations have expressed their outrage over the installation of the bust at the National D-Day Memorial, which honored the 66th anniversary of the invasion of Normandy over the weekend. The bust of the Soviet Union's wartime leader was unveiled last week to accompany existing busts of U.S. Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman as well as British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

"This is not a WWII memorial," Mr. Edwards said. "This is a D-Day memorial. If we focus on the fact of it being a D-Day memorial, then there is … hardly any justification whatsoever" for Stalin being there.

Mr. Altau described Stalin's presence as a "sore thumb" that gives undue honor to a dictator.

Stalin bust has Virginia town red-faced - Washington Times

 

[Luissa]

Stalin did have something to do with D Day, he pushed the US and Britain to invade France. The guy in the article should take a history class.

 

[L.K.Eder]

stalin also kind of kept ze germans busy on the other front.

 

[Luissa]

stalin also kind of kept ze germans busy on the other front.

Yep!

One of the reasons D Day happened, was to draw German troops away from the Soviets.
This protest is stupid, and it is a prime example of some people trying to censor history.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

stalin also kind of kept ze germans busy on the other front.

Yep!

One of the reasons D Day happened, was to draw German troops away from the Soviets.
This protest is stupid, and it is a prime example of some people trying to censor history.

No what is stupid is claiming we needed the Soviets to A) push us to invade and B) that we needed them to actually invade.

Learn some history your self. Stalin wanted the invasion in 42 and then in 43 and we rightly refused as we were not ready. 44 was OUR time line not Stalin's. Stalin had NOTHING to do with D-Day. Now if this were a celebration or monument to the Whole War then yes he had a place but not at a D-Day memorial.

The US originally planned to field 200 Divisions. The war in the East let us scale that back to 100 and not effect our production base. But even with out the Soviets we could have fielded those 200 Divisions and invaded Europe with out the Soviets. It would have taken longer and we would have had a harder fight but we still would have won. While the bombing campaign did not win the war it shortened it and we still would have beaten the Germans with or with out the Soviet Union.

Once again D-Day has NOTHING at all to do with the Soviet Union.

 

[Luissa]

stalin also kind of kept ze germans busy on the other front.

Yep!

One of the reasons D Day happened, was to draw German troops away from the Soviets.
This protest is stupid, and it is a prime example of some people trying to censor history.

No what is stupid is claiming we needed the Soviets to A) push us to invade and B) that we needed them to actually invade.

Learn some history your self. Stalin wanted the invasion in 42 and then in 43 and we rightly refused as we were not ready. 44 was OUR time line not Stalin's. Stalin had NOTHING to do with D-Day. Now if this were a celebration or monument to the Whole War then yes he had a place but not at a D-Day memorial.

The US originally planned to field 200 Divisions. The war in the East let us scale that back to 100 and not effect our production base. But even with out the Soviets we could have fielded those 200 Divisions and invaded Europe with out the Soviets. It would have taken longer and we would have had a harder fight but we still would have won. While the bombing campaign did not win the war it shortened it and we still would have beaten the Germans with or with out the Soviet Union.

Once again D-Day has NOTHING at all to do with the Soviet Union.

Where did I state the Soviet invaded France? You are the one who needs to learn history.
Stalin pushed for the US and Britain to invade France, and we did it when we were ready. The whole point of D Day was to distract Germany, so the Soviets would not be feeling all the pressure.

 

[Luissa]

stalin also kind of kept ze germans busy on the other front.

Yep!

One of the reasons D Day happened, was to draw German troops away from the Soviets.
This protest is stupid, and it is a prime example of some people trying to censor history.

No what is stupid is claiming we needed the Soviets to A) push us to invade and B) that we needed them to actually invade.

Learn some history your self. Stalin wanted the invasion in 42 and then in 43 and we rightly refused as we were not ready. 44 was OUR time line not Stalin's. Stalin had NOTHING to do with D-Day. Now if this were a celebration or monument to the Whole War then yes he had a place but not at a D-Day memorial.

The US originally planned to field 200 Divisions. The war in the East let us scale that back to 100 and not effect our production base. But even with out the Soviets we could have fielded those 200 Divisions and invaded Europe with out the Soviets. It would have taken longer and we would have had a harder fight but we still would have won. While the bombing campaign did not win the war it shortened it and we still would have beaten the Germans with or with out the Soviet Union.

Once again D-Day has NOTHING at all to do with the Soviet Union.

And PS I never said we needed their help to invade, learn how to read.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Send it to Russia. After all if Obama couldn't stand to have an ally like Churchill's bust in the W.H. then we should send all busts of foreign people back to their homelands.

 

[Luissa]

Send it to Russia. After all if Obama couldn't stand to have an ally like Churchill's bust in the W.H. then we should send all busts of foreign people back to their homelands.

Congradulations, you posted the first partisan post in the thread.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Send it to Russia. After all if Obama couldn't stand to have an ally like Churchill's bust in the W.H. then we should send all busts of foreign people back to their homelands.

Congradulations, you posted the first partisan post in the thread.

Nothing Partisan about it.

I was merely commenting on the attitude of our current administration. You know the one staffed with people who respect Chairman Mao as a political philosopher and send back gifts given by countries who are supposed to be our allies.

In fact maybe we should send the Stalin bust to Obama. He can put where Winston's used to be.

 

[Luissa]

Send it to Russia. After all if Obama couldn't stand to have an ally like Churchill's bust in the W.H. then we should send all busts of foreign people back to their homelands.

Congradulations, you posted the first partisan post in the thread.

Nothing Partisan about it.

I was merely commenting on the attitude of our current administration. You know the one staffed with people who respect Chairman Mao as a political philosopher and send back gifts given by countries who are supposed to be our allies.

In fact maybe we should send the Stalin bust to Obama. He can put where Winston's used to be.

I don't think the OP mentioned Obama or Mao, but thanks for trying.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Congradulations, you posted the first partisan post in the thread.

Nothing Partisan about it.

I was merely commenting on the attitude of our current administration. You know the one staffed with people who respect Chairman Mao as a political philosopher and send back gifts given by countries who are supposed to be our allies.

In fact maybe we should send the Stalin bust to Obama. He can put where Winston's used to be.

I don't think the OP mentioned Obama or Mao, but thanks for trying.

So now any discussion is narrowly defined by you?

Really what did Stalin have on Mao?

Why is Mao revered by this white house staff and Stalin isn't?

 

[Luissa]

Nothing Partisan about it.

I was merely commenting on the attitude of our current administration. You know the one staffed with people who respect Chairman Mao as a political philosopher and send back gifts given by countries who are supposed to be our allies.

In fact maybe we should send the Stalin bust to Obama. He can put where Winston's used to be.

I don't think the OP mentioned Obama or Mao, but thanks for trying.

So now any discussion is narrowly defined by you?

Really what did Stalin have on Mao?

Why is Mao revered by this white house staff and Stalin isn't?

No, I am just stating you posted the first partisan post, and that this thread has nothing to do with Mao or Obama. And Mao isn't revered by the White House staff, which was clear in the woman's speech. It is called appreciating history, and what you can learn from it.
I did a paper on Sun Yat Sen last year, doesn't mean I am a chinese socialist now.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't think the OP mentioned Obama or Mao, but thanks for trying.

So now any discussion is narrowly defined by you?

Really what did Stalin have on Mao?

Why is Mao revered by this white house staff and Stalin isn't?

No, I am just stating you posted the first partisan post, and that this thread has nothing to do with Mao or Obama. And Mao isn't revered by the White House staff, which was clear in the woman's speech. It is called appreciating history, and what you can learn from it.
I did a paper on Sun Yat Sen last year, doesn't mean I am a chinese socialist now.

So just because the OP didn't mention the attitude of our current administration regarding busts of famous people, the discussion cannot evolve?

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Do you really think a person whose favorite political philosopher is Mao belongs in the WH but a bust of Churchill doesn't?

 

[Granny]

This surprises me. Bedford is a quiet little town between Lynchburg and Roanoke - in the Blue Ridge mountain area. It's appropriate that the D-Day memorial should be there - Bedford (I think on a per capita basis) lost more men than any other place in the country. It's a beautiful memorial.

I would be outraged at a bust of Stalin, too. I'm surprised that it was authorized in the first place.

D Day Memorial in Bedford, VA

 

[RadiomanATL]

I scan through the topics quickly here, looking for something that catches my eye.

I misread this one at first as Stalin has Vagina Red Faced.

Am disappointed in actual subject....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yep!

One of the reasons D Day happened, was to draw German troops away from the Soviets.
This protest is stupid, and it is a prime example of some people trying to censor history.

No what is stupid is claiming we needed the Soviets to A) push us to invade and B) that we needed them to actually invade.

Learn some history your self. Stalin wanted the invasion in 42 and then in 43 and we rightly refused as we were not ready. 44 was OUR time line not Stalin's. Stalin had NOTHING to do with D-Day. Now if this were a celebration or monument to the Whole War then yes he had a place but not at a D-Day memorial.

The US originally planned to field 200 Divisions. The war in the East let us scale that back to 100 and not effect our production base. But even with out the Soviets we could have fielded those 200 Divisions and invaded Europe with out the Soviets. It would have taken longer and we would have had a harder fight but we still would have won. While the bombing campaign did not win the war it shortened it and we still would have beaten the Germans with or with out the Soviet Union.

Once again D-Day has NOTHING at all to do with the Soviet Union.

Where did I state the Soviet invaded France? You are the one who needs to learn history.
Stalin pushed for the US and Britain to invade France, and we did it when we were ready. The whole point of D Day was to distract Germany, so the Soviets would not be feeling all the pressure.

Wrong the D-Day invasion was NOT to distract the Germans it was to win the war. An invasion that MAY have been to distract the Germans was Italy. NOT D-Day. God does no one teach history anymore?

We did not invade France to distract the Germans , we invaded to reconquer Europe and set it free from German Occupation.

 

[Luissa]

No what is stupid is claiming we needed the Soviets to A) push us to invade and B) that we needed them to actually invade.

Learn some history your self. Stalin wanted the invasion in 42 and then in 43 and we rightly refused as we were not ready. 44 was OUR time line not Stalin's. Stalin had NOTHING to do with D-Day. Now if this were a celebration or monument to the Whole War then yes he had a place but not at a D-Day memorial.

The US originally planned to field 200 Divisions. The war in the East let us scale that back to 100 and not effect our production base. But even with out the Soviets we could have fielded those 200 Divisions and invaded Europe with out the Soviets. It would have taken longer and we would have had a harder fight but we still would have won. While the bombing campaign did not win the war it shortened it and we still would have beaten the Germans with or with out the Soviet Union.

Once again D-Day has NOTHING at all to do with the Soviet Union.

Where did I state the Soviet invaded France? You are the one who needs to learn history.
Stalin pushed for the US and Britain to invade France, and we did it when we were ready. The whole point of D Day was to distract Germany, so the Soviets would not be feeling all the pressure.

Wrong the D-Day invasion was NOT to distract the Germans it was to win the war. An invasion that MAY have been to distract the Germans was Italy. NOT D-Day. God does no one teach history anymore?

We did not invade France to distract the Germans , we invaded to reconquer Europe and set it free from German Occupation.

You have your opinion, but everything I have read says it was distract the Germans in the East, and some also suggest we took the West so the Soviets wouldn't control Eastern and Western Europe.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Where did I state the Soviet invaded France? You are the one who needs to learn history.
Stalin pushed for the US and Britain to invade France, and we did it when we were ready. The whole point of D Day was to distract Germany, so the Soviets would not be feeling all the pressure.

Wrong the D-Day invasion was NOT to distract the Germans it was to win the war. An invasion that MAY have been to distract the Germans was Italy. NOT D-Day. God does no one teach history anymore?

We did not invade France to distract the Germans , we invaded to reconquer Europe and set it free from German Occupation.

You have your opinion, but everything I have read says it was distract the Germans in the East, and some also suggest we took the West so the Soviets wouldn't control Eastern and Western Europe.

You need to get a refund on whom ever did not teach you history.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

The Russians seem to believe that crossing the channel was not a big deal. They never tried it, so I guess they don't know.

I don't believe in airbrushing history. Stalin was there. We can't change that.

Hitler would not have been so succesful without him, and Russia was the tar baby that ultimately destroyed him.

However, there was never a time that the British were not actively fighting the germans. from 1940 onwards. In Africa, Italy, the Mediterranean. Lots of folks forget that Stalin was Hitler's ally for the period of Hitler's greatest success.