Stable Economy

[georgephillip]

A free market.

A market free of control accounting fraud or democratic oversight?

 

[akelch]

A market free of control accounting fraud or democratic oversight?

Yes....government should protect individuals rights. Like Fraud, false advertising, personal property, patents, legal contracts...etc.

Every company is treated the same.

There are a few laws that make sense to pose on business like public safety issues (putting a hazardous waste dump next to a school, or safety labels)

But government should be blind when pose such laws and not pick winners and losers .

A free market is the best mechanism to protect the worker and consumer. It gives the worker and consumer the greatest power by allowing them to vote with their dollars and skills on what businesses succeed and which one fails. All of this is made possible by a free market based on open competition.

 

[Rshermr]

Yes....government should protect individuals rights. Like Fraud, false advertising, personal property, patents, legal contracts...etc.

Every company is treated the same.

There are a few laws that make sense to pose on business like public safety issues (putting a hazardous waste dump next to a school, or safety labels)

But government should be blind when pose such laws and not pick winners and losers .

A free market is the best mechanism to protect the worker and consumer. It gives the worker and consumer the greatest power by allowing them to vote with their dollars and skills on what businesses succeed and which one fails. All of this is made possible by a free market based on open competition.

Jesus. Take a cource in economics. The question is not whether a market is free or not, but whether a market system, as in capitalism, is a market system if it is filled with companies that have a great deal of monopoly power.
Hell, me boy, even Adam Smith wrote in Wealth of Nations that monopoly power needs to be regulated.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes....government should protect individuals rights. Like Fraud, false advertising, personal property, patents, legal contracts...etc.

Every company is treated the same.

There are a few laws that make sense to pose on business like public safety issues (putting a hazardous waste dump next to a school, or safety labels)

But government should be blind when pose such laws and not pick winners and losers .

A free market is the best mechanism to protect the worker and consumer. It gives the worker and consumer the greatest power by allowing them to vote with their dollars and skills on what businesses succeed and which one fails. All of this is made possible by a free market based on open competition.

Government should also protect individuals from financial bubbles (credit/housing) that load consumers with ever increasing levels of debt, IMHO. When government shifts the tax burden off of unearned income and onto labor and industry, it is acting at the behest of the creditor class (richest 1%). Since both major political parties in the US depend on the same 1% to fund their election campaigns, it's hard to see how to cast a meaningful vote in opposition to the doctrine that government should not be picking winners and losers.

America

 

[akelch]

Government should also protect individuals from financial bubbles (credit/housing) that load consumers with ever increasing levels of debt, IMHO. When government shifts the tax burden off of unearned income and onto labor and industry, it is acting at the behest of the creditor class (richest 1%). Since both major political parties in the US depend on the same 1% to fund their election campaigns, it's hard to see how to cast a meaningful vote in opposition to the doctrine that government should not be picking winners and losers.

America

Agree...first step is to abolish the FED.

 

[georgephillip]

Agree...first step is to abolish the FED.

You could be right.
I'm not an Economist.
I'm almost positive that level of systemic change will never come from "choosing" between Democrat OR Republican in the voting booth.

 

[akelch]

You could be right.
I'm not an Economist.
I'm almost positive that level of systemic change will never come from "choosing" between Democrat OR Republican in the voting booth.

It will have to come from the people.

But, be warned...the FED will not go down without a fight. They will try and crash the economy and blame it on not allow them to control monetary policy. It will be financial warfare and average Americans will pay the price.

But if we keep the stats quo we will continue to see our debt rise, bubbles created and pop, inflation continue to rise.....our economy will never be strong again. And our government will continue to be controlled by a handful of private bankers.

We have to choose.

 

[akelch]

You could be right.
I'm not an Economist.
I'm almost positive that level of systemic change will never come from "choosing" between Democrat OR Republican in the voting booth.

If you want to learn more...here is a great documentary about the history of the central banking system. It's long (3:30) but very informative.

 

[georgephillip]

It will have to come from the people.

But, be warned...the FED will not go down without a fight. They will try and crash the economy and blame it on not allow them to control monetary policy. It will be financial warfare and average Americans will pay the price.

But if we keep the stats quo we will continue to see our debt rise, bubbles created and pop, inflation continue to rise.....our economy will never be strong again. And our government will continue to be controlled by a handful of private bankers.

We have to choose.

We definitely agree the Fed will not go quietly:

"Condition on which the U.S. entered into World War I (when it became clear that France and Britain can't cope with Germany, and Russia can no longer participate in the war) was that Rockefellers' oil empire «Standard Oil of New Jersey» will be allowed to participate in the development of Rothschilds' oil resources of the Middle East."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/general-global-topics/244363-the-great-game-of-rothschild-and-rockefeller.html

Should the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, and their political/militaristic tools come to suspect the Great Game was up, all Hell would break loose.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We definitely agree the Fed will not go quietly:

"Condition on which the U.S. entered into World War I (when it became clear that France and Britain can't cope with Germany, and Russia can no longer participate in the war) was that Rockefellers' oil empire «Standard Oil of New Jersey» will be allowed to participate in the development of Rothschilds' oil resources of the Middle East."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/general-global-topics/244363-the-great-game-of-rothschild-and-rockefeller.html

Should the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, and their political/militaristic tools come to suspect the Great Game was up, all Hell would break loose.

typical illiterate liberal with idiotic conspiracy theory who wears tin foil to block alien space rays!!

 

[georgephillip]

Do you vote Rockefeller or Rothschild?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Do you vote Rockefeller or Rothschild?

typical illiterate liberal with idiotic conspiracy theory who wears tin foil to block alien space rays!!

 

[akelch]

We definitely agree the Fed will not go quietly:

"Condition on which the U.S. entered into World War I (when it became clear that France and Britain can't cope with Germany, and Russia can no longer participate in the war) was that Rockefellers' oil empire «Standard Oil of New Jersey» will be allowed to participate in the development of Rothschilds' oil resources of the Middle East."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/gener...great-game-of-rothschild-and-rockefeller.html

Should the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, and their political/militaristic tools come to suspect the Great Game was up, all Hell would break loose.

Yes...the change can not be argued in public...it would have to be debited covertly and done quickly in order to save Americans great pain.

If you read about Andrew Jackson's presidency you will understand the tools the Fed would use. Including assassination.

 

[georgephillip]

Do you vote Rockefeller or Rothschild?

typical illiterate liberal with idiotic conspiracy theory who wears tin foil to block alien space rays!!

Oh..I see.
You vote Republican.
Are you rich?

 

[georgephillip]

Yes...the change can not be argued in public...it would have to be debited covertly and done quickly in order to save Americans great pain.

If you read about Andrew Jackson's presidency you will understand the tools the Fed would use. Including assassination.

There's little reason to believe the rich would not kill millions of US citizens if they felt their control slipping away. Of course, they won't get close to the killing themselves. I think they are better at the secrecy game than their opposition is; maybe the tool we are communicating with at this moment will be their undoing? One thing I'm fairly certain of is the power of social networking to lay the foundation for FLUSHING hundreds of Republicans AND Democrats from DC in a single news cycle: Hope and Change.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

the gold standsard? Yes it did end in disaster, in the early 1930's. And it has not been tried since. And is still used by no country.

So glad we agree.

No, the current fiat Keynesian ponzi scheme. It's almost up. The gold standard never failed. You're confusing gold with (and of course no surprise for a pure ignorant statist) government intervention and the federal reserve act for the mess created in the 1930s.

Wow, step. You mentioned something being a mathematical certainty. Here is a mathematical certainty. The great depression started in 1929. By the time a dem was in the presidency, UE was over 22% and rising. So, the government intervention and the federal reserve act happened after, and the UE went down.
Try a little honesty, step. Lies are too easy to disprove.

So the federal reserve act of 1913 came after the Great Depression?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No, the current fiat Keynesian ponzi scheme. It's almost up. The gold standard never failed. You're confusing gold with (and of course no surprise for a pure ignorant statist) government intervention and the federal reserve act for the mess created in the 1930s.

Wow, step. You mentioned something being a mathematical certainty. Here is a mathematical certainty. The great depression started in 1929. By the time a dem was in the presidency, UE was over 22% and rising. So, the government intervention and the federal reserve act happened after, and the UE went down.
Try a little honesty, step. Lies are too easy to disprove.

So the federal reserve act of 1913 came after the Great Depression?

Rushermer has left the room, again!!!!!!

 

[akelch]

Forget about returning to a gold standard. You have to own gold to back your currency, which we do not have.

The Federal Reserve has most of the worlds gold so if you hear politicians like Ron Paul (which I like) talk about the gold standard set them strait.

Remember the golden rule ....he who has the gold makes the rules.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Forget about returning to a gold standard. You have to own gold to back your currency, which we do not have.

you mean except for the 8390 tonnes in Ft Knox???????????????????

The Federal Reserve has most of the worlds gold so if you hear politicians like Ron Paul (which I like) talk about the gold standard set them strait.

so we don't have it but the Fed does??????????????????????????????

Remember the golden rule ....he who has the gold makes the rules.

would you like to rethink that????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The conceptual meaning of import is to bring goods and services the port of a country. The person who buy such goods and services are known as importer and the person who sell these things or a seller is known as exporter these two person are based of import or export.

I was just wondering, are you working on your Ph.d in economics??