Speech by USAF General

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    I got this via e-mail. Very to the point!


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    For those who don't know General Hawley, he's a newly retired USAF 4-star general. He commanded the USAF Air Combat Command [our front-line fighters and bombers]. The Command headquarters is at Langley AFB, VA. General Hawley is now retired and no longer required to be politically correct. His short speech is very much to the point. The following are excerpts:


    "Since the attack [9-11], I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are:

    1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen
    carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is Jesus Christ our Savior that is depicted on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens.

    2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E --Well, you get the idea.

    3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community have failed us." For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains (brainless) who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all, (they reasoned,) you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.

    4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those
    planes into the killing grounds is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. It's the same today.

    5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. Please come back. Let's all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them."

    SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "No More Pearl Harbors."
     
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    Thanks for the post :) It was a pleasure to read.
     
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    :D

    I like the part where he praises Jesus as being perfect then says that killing all the other guys is the best way to stop violence.

    Oh, and wasn't Timothy McVeigh part Norwegian? :D :D

    I'm glad this guy is retired. We don't need Christian Crusaders in top brass military positions. Especially now.

    -Bam
     
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    It's guys like him that have made our military the most powerful in the world. It's also guys like him that have protected our freedom and fought for our country when he was called upon. This man was a decorated pilot who earned the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit, Distinguished Flying Cross with two oak leaf clusters, Meritorious Service Medal with oak leaf cluster, Air Medal with two silver and two bronze oak leaf clusters and the Air Force Commendation Medal with oak leaf cluster. This man has risen from Second Lieutenant to Lieutenant Colonel to Brigadier General to General.

    And lastly, you are downplaying a man who never even spoke the words you responded to. That email was part of an "erumor", here is what he actually responded with:

    1) Goodness, Evil and Relativity: There are some really good people in this
    world. They volunteer to help those who need it, and ask nothing in return.
    There are also some really bad people in this world. They exploit those who
    need help, or who have less wit or "charisma", and motivate them to join in
    committing unspeakable acts of cruelty against people they don't even know.
    Then there are the rest of us. Average people who try each day to do no
    harm, to provide for their families, to do an occasional act of kindness.
    The evil that was perpetrated against our land on 9/11 was the product of
    Mullahs who see our prosperity and power as a threat to their control over
    the uneducated Muslim masses on whose shoulders they ride through life. And
    so they preach hate. They are evil.

    2) Violence begets violence: It's true. Violence does beget violence. But
    sometimes there is no alternative but to confront those who would perpetrate
    evil acts against us. This is one of those times. We are blessed to have
    courageous men and women willing to put their lives on the line to track
    down and annihilate those who have been so imbued with evil as to be beyond
    redemption. But violence is not a strategy. It is a necessary and fully
    justified reaction to an unimaginable threat. But it is not a strategy. If
    we are to win this war, we must defeat the Mullahs. And to defeat the
    Mullahs, we must find ways to separate them from their uneducated flocks. We
    cannot kill all those who have been taught to hate us, nor should we wish
    to. Far better to change their minds than to change their state of being.

    3) The intelligence community let us down: Well, maybe just a little. Lots
    of senior and not so senior intelligence people became just as enamored of
    high tech gadgets as their political masters. The protests over our
    evisceration of the human intelligence component of the agency were not very
    loud or forceful. Keeping spies on the ground is a high risk and often dirty
    business, and it wasn't just liberal politicians who didn't have much
    stomach for it.

    4) Poverty is the breeding ground for terrorists: No, it isn't; but
    religious extremism is. The Mullahs fear our wealth and power because it
    shows that a secular society with democratic institutions and a free market
    economy can do a better job of taking care of its peoples' needs, both
    spiritual and physical, than the oppressive Islamic regimes that they aspire
    to lead. The Mullahs are the problem, not poverty, but poverty does make it
    easier for the Mullahs to spread their evil - as do governments that
    tolerate and even reinforce their hateful message.

    5) Profiling: We are at war here! We are not talking about traffic stops. If
    we were at war with Iceland, I would expect those charged with our defense
    to pay very close attention to any Icelander who ventured near our shores.
    In this war I expect them to pay very close attention to Muslims with ties
    to the places that spew hatred against us. Random checks when there are no
    such obvious targets available are a good way to keep the evil ones
    guessing, but let's not make small children and grandmothers take their
    shoes off while we watch far more likely candidates walk aboard unchecked.

    6) Resolutions:
    a. Never forget that what happened on September the 11th of 2001 was an act
    of war.
    b. Never sit silently by while someone tries to justify what happened on
    that day as an understandable reaction to U.S. policies in the Middle East
    or elsewhere.
    c. Fly our nation's flag proudly - it represents this world's greatest hope
    to move beyond the pain and suffering that inflict so many across the globe.

    Richard E. Hawley
    General, USAF, Retired
    Former Commander, Air Combat Command

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hawley.htm
     
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    That is a much more reasonable response. Too bad people are spreading lies about this guy in e-mail campaigns. I am glad we all can see the lies being created and propogated by the religious right to prop up a "holy war" against Islam.

    gop_jeff, you should reply to whomever sent you that e-mail and tell them about the lies they are spewing and the discredit they are applying to General Hawley.

    I actually agree with most of his REAL statements. The only thing I really disagree with is the profiling part. Profiling people of Middle Eastern descent actually LOWERS our security stance as people of different races may be enlisted by terrorists. Also, domestic white supremacy terrorists can operate more easily in that environment.

    Jim, I took the statements attributed to the General on face value because I trust people to post the truth when it comes to actually using quotes.


    -Bam
     
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    Ok, that makes sense. I'm quite confident Jeff thought he was posting a legitimate response. These types of things happen all the time.

    Before being so quickly to judge someone (General Hawley) so harshly based on one sentence, you should do a search on him and read about his career. The man was quite dedicated to our country and the military, and was a true leader.
     
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    Well, in all fairness, it was much more than one sentence. In fact it was more like a philosophy statement. And it was so ridiculous that it begged to be called out. It really didn't matter if I did a search, I would still have those quotes before me.


    -Bam
     
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    OK, I suck.

    Thanks, Jim, for doing the research. I appreciate it.

    All... I apologize for posting an e-rumor. I will haze myself!
     

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