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Because that is not what Mass. is doing.
They are eliminating collective bargaining for copays and deductibles only...
The plan, which now goes to the State Senate, gives local officials the ability of municipal governments to set copayments and deductibles for municipal workers. Only the amount of yearly premiums paid by workers would be on the negotiation table for public workers.
Well actually it is what they are doing, one step at a time, you're own article says so...
This basically eliminates collective bargaining as we know it "says SEIU Local 888 Bruce Boccardy who represents 200 public bargaining units throughout Massachusetts. This is the first step in a long process to eliminating collective bargaining for public employees in the state of Massachusetts."
The threat of layoffs if collectively bargaining rights werent trimmed seems to match similar rhetoric coming from Governor Scott Walker (R-Wis.).
The big difference: The rhetoric is coming from a Democrat."
Like I said, only the copays and deductibles.
Not union busting.
Nice try though. You guys have so little going for you, I feel kind of bad for you.
Ok, I'll speak up and say that both laws are simply corporate sponsored bills to make sure they get the money that those affected will be paying in now. We all know that the big corporations will receive the increased contributions that public workers will be paying in. My daughter will now be paying in an extra $600 per month and that will go directly to some company so they dont have to pay any taxes. Thats how the system is now going to work. In wisconsin and massachusetts, it is a power grab either way, sponsored only by big money ONLY for big money to get, not to balance the budget. That has been proven to be false.
The fact that you LOL'd at my post just shows YOUR ignorance.
The fact that you said you don't have freedom of speech ANYWHERE in private society (including inside the workforce) shows how little you know of freedom and rights.
Sure, you can't yell "FIRE!!" at an airport. That's not what we are talking about though. We are talking about corporate, predatory practices that go against the workers.
Same with all the other rights. You think just because the law says you cant discriminate that means no corporation discriminates? Wow. Speechless
"Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere."
- Martin Luther King Jr.
That isn't what I said at all you idiot.
If you're discriminated against, the courts have a remedy for you. The unions are unnecessary, and there isn't a person here who truly thinks they are.
I believe the entire discrimination issue is bullshit anyway. If I own a business, it's MY property. I should be able to hire, and serve whomever I want.
Same with your free speech bullshit. If I own a company you're damn right I have the right to limit what you can and can't say on MY property.
Calling me an idiot isn't going to make you right. I'm sorry to break it to you. This is a political debate, not an ego contest
You have forgotten that a lot of the courts are run by corporate lawyers. Another thing you forgot, the jury has to decide whether you are guilty or not. The jury will not always rule in what is considered the truth. There is plenty of proof in history to show that. So unions are necessary. The fact that no one here thinks they are doesn't make your argument more right. Argumentum ad populum
And actually if you own a business, it's NOT your property. In order to have a business, you have to hire workers to produce for you. Doing business is a collective thing. Businesses aren't run by one person. They are run by communities of people. You may have more money than the rest of the workers, but that doesn't give you a say in whether you can fire them and put them out on the street just because they have different skin color.
You see, when you own a house and isyou don't like having black people in your house, that's one thing. But when you own a HUGE corporation, with so much power and so much influence, it is a totally different story to tell people to "get out, your black/Hispanic/Asian."
You see, corporations have so much power and influence that they have the power to control governments. So in a way, a corporation telling you to get out is kind of similar to the government telling you to get out. You could do that with anybody, and you can influence communities by practicing discrimination. That is not fair to the PEOPLE. And they have a right to speak out against this. Whether it's YOU or someone else who is in charge of the corporation.
I rest my case.
Ok, try this. This is english now. ANd I'll type it slow so you can understand.
WHen the gov of wisc introduced the bill, it included the increased contributions from public employees for their pensions and health care. After a week, the unions decided they would accept the increased contributions. But that wasnt enough. So, where the controversy comes in is where all collective bargaining would also be stripped. Hence, the protests.
So, those increased contributions will not be going to help balance the so called budget deficit (an amount that changes daily, and gets smaller) but will be going directly to corporations. In essence, the money the public workers now pay in will be shipped over to the companies that were pushing for the bill to go through so they can continue not to pay any taxes while the working middle class gives them their money.
Let's see... Unions aren't necessary... OK. Let's just wait and see. When your job keeps dropping in "value" for no other reason than you employer wanting more of the "pie" and the rest of your industry follows suit and the next thing you know, you are one of the "working poor" that none of you Conservatives EVER want to acknowledge(it's either those Deadbeats or those poor, embattled Rich Folk,,, nothing in between), then you can thank those states' legislators for screwing you over.
Because make no mistake. As Union pay scales go, so do non-union pay scales. I find it so damned amusing how you guys are willing to kiss "the man's" ass, pay their outrageous Health Care Premiums that they no longer pay the lion's share of, See your wages stagnate, see your opportunities diminish, see them gain more money and power and still plead poverty when it comes to taxation and the all holy "job creation" you speak of.... and still nod your heads like drones about unions.
AS pointed out, there is a huge difference between Wisconsin and Massachusetts, and no... it's not just Red vs. Blue(as you numbnuts think everything is). It has to do with the scope and scale of the attack against employees. I love the way you guys paint union members as "thugs", but I find it funny that when REASONABLE concessions are mandated... you nary hear a peep. Not because it's a "DEM" state, but because they aren't demanding much.
Of course the Unions are going to bluster about it, of course they may call for picketing. That's their job.. to get the best deal they can for their members.
Why didn't I speak out against it? This was the first I heard... I do have a life away from the message board, ya know? I have a full time Job that requires me to work 2 out of 3 weekends, I have a lovely wife and 2 kids. Maybe you have nothing better to do than slam liberals, but I have much better things to do than slam Conservatives. Maybe that's why you guys are so obsessed! Hell, you're lonely and Glenn Beck and the boys of FOX and AM radio are your only friends.
It's sad, really.
Why do Republicans hate American workers having rights?
Oh, I forgot, Republicans are "owned" by corporations. Hope that helps them get jobs. Hasn't worked so far.
They'll be given to big Democrat Party donors.Why do Republicans hate American workers having rights?
Oh, I forgot, Republicans are "owned" by corporations. Hope that helps them get jobs. Hasn't worked so far.
What do you plan to replace American corporations with DUmmie?
Why do Republicans hate American workers having rights?
Oh, I forgot, Republicans are "owned" by corporations. Hope that helps them get jobs. Hasn't worked so far.
What do you plan to replace American corporations with DUmmie?
Let's see... Unions aren't necessary... OK. Let's just wait and see. When your job keeps dropping in "value" for no other reason than you employer wanting more of the "pie" and the rest of your industry follows suit and the next thing you know, you are one of the "working poor" that none of you Conservatives EVER want to acknowledge(it's either those Deadbeats or those poor, embattled Rich Folk,,, nothing in between), then you can thank those states' legislators for screwing you over.
Because make no mistake. As Union pay scales go, so do non-union pay scales. I find it so damned amusing how you guys are willing to kiss "the man's" ass, pay their outrageous Health Care Premiums that they no longer pay the lion's share of, See your wages stagnate, see your opportunities diminish, see them gain more money and power and still plead poverty when it comes to taxation and the all holy "job creation" you speak of.... and still nod your heads like drones about unions.
AS pointed out, there is a huge difference between Wisconsin and Massachusetts, and no... it's not just Red vs. Blue(as you numbnuts think everything is). It has to do with the scope and scale of the attack against employees. I love the way you guys paint union members as "thugs", but I find it funny that when REASONABLE concessions are mandated... you nary hear a peep. Not because it's a "DEM" state, but because they aren't demanding much.
Of course the Unions are going to bluster about it, of course they may call for picketing. That's their job.. to get the best deal they can for their members.
Why didn't I speak out against it? This was the first I heard... I do have a life away from the message board, ya know? I have a full time Job that requires me to work 2 out of 3 weekends, I have a lovely wife and 2 kids. Maybe you have nothing better to do than slam liberals, but I have much better things to do than slam Conservatives. Maybe that's why you guys are so obsessed! Hell, you're lonely and Glenn Beck and the boys of FOX and AM radio are your only friends.
It's sad, really.
You don't have time and then you find time. LMAO
Why do Republicans hate American workers having rights?
Oh, I forgot, Republicans are "owned" by corporations. Hope that helps them get jobs. Hasn't worked so far.
What do you plan to replace American corporations with DUmmie?
Ok, try this. This is english now. ANd I'll type it slow so you can understand.
WHen the gov of wisc introduced the bill, it included the increased contributions from public employees for their pensions and health care. After a week, the unions decided they would accept the increased contributions. But that wasnt enough. So, where the controversy comes in is where all collective bargaining would also be stripped. Hence, the protests.
So, those increased contributions will not be going to help balance the so called budget deficit (an amount that changes daily, and gets smaller) but will be going directly to corporations. In essence, the money the public workers now pay in will be shipped over to the companies that were pushing for the bill to go through so they can continue not to pay any taxes while the working middle class gives them their money.