Spanish government considers legal actions against US officials

They really need to stop doing that. They are trying to claim jurisdiction to prosecute elected officials for alleged crimes that happened on non-spanish soil. I would consider such an exercise a potential act of war.
 
Spanish court considers trying former US officials

The first of many? But is there any merit in such actions or another waste of time and tax payer money.

I believe the US Courts should retaliate and bring charges of harrassment and denial of human rights on those lawyers, any judges and any prosecutors that bring the charges to court.

We should threaten Spain with legal retaliation and threaten to seize assets of the Spanish Government and expel their Diplomats.
 
It would be fun to try Spain for crimes against humanity, based on their monumentaly huge record of human rights abuses going back to the Visigoths.
 
I suspect that as America's superpower status fades, and that is inevitable as our economy continues its decline, the security of former officials who are thought by other nations to be war criminals will continue to decline.

There are already a lot of Bush administration officials who probably should NOT visit Europe.

War criminals will not find safe haven in civilized nations, folks.

If the rest of the world in retrspect decides that what Bush II's people did constiuted war crimes?

Well then those people had best keep their asses in America where they'll be safe from the clutches of the rest of the world.

Their safety depends on American continuing to be a superpower.

And that superpower status isn't looking so good right now, is it?
 
I suspect that as America's superpower status fades, and that is inevitable as our economy continues its decline, the security of former officials who are thought by other nations to be war criminals will continue to decline.

There are already a lot of Bush administration officials who probably should NOT visit Europe.

War criminals will not find safe haven in civilized nations, folks.

If the rest of the world in retrspect decides that what Bush II's people did constiuted war crimes?

Well then those people had best keep their asses in America where they'll be safe from the clutches of the rest of the world.

Their safety depends on American continuing to be a superpower.

And that superpower status isn't looking so good right now, is it?

Only when one lies and twists the truth. NONE of those Officials are criminals. And Spain has no Jurisdiction. We should retaliate but Obama will kiss their ass.
 
Spanish court considers trying former US officials

The first of many? But is there any merit in such actions or another waste of time and tax payer money.

I believe the US Courts should retaliate and bring charges of harrassment and denial of human rights on those lawyers, any judges and any prosecutors that bring the charges to court.

We should threaten Spain with legal retaliation and threaten to seize assets of the Spanish Government and expel their Diplomats.
That should include Mexico. That could turn out to be a great solution to many of our problems.
 
Only when one lies and twists the truth. NONE of those Officials are criminals. And Spain has no Jurisdiction. We should retaliate but Obama will kiss their ass.

And how do you know that?

Spanish law allows courts to reach beyond national borders in cases of torture or war crimes under a doctrine of universal justice, though the government has recently said it hopes to limit the scope of the legal process.

Garzon became famous for bringing charges against former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in 1998, and he and other Spanish judges have agreed to investigate alleged abuses everywhere from Tibet to Argentina's "dirty war," El Salvador and Rwanda.
Still, the country's record in prosecuting such cases has been spotty at best, with only one suspect extradited to Spain so far.

When a similar case was brought against Israeli officials earlier this year, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos assured his Israeli counterpart that the process would be quashed.
Even if indictments are eventually handed down against the U.S. officials, it is far from clear whether arrests would ever take place. The officials would have to travel outside the United States and to a country willing to take them into custody before possible extradition to Spain.

The officials are charged with providing a legal cover for interrogation methods like waterboarding against terrorism suspects at Guantanamo, which the Spanish human rights lawyers say amounted to torture.

Yoo, for instance, wrote a series of secret memos that claimed the president had the legal authority to circumvent the Geneva Conventions.
 
I suspect that as America's superpower status fades, and that is inevitable as our economy continues its decline, the security of former officials who are thought by other nations to be war criminals will continue to decline.

There are already a lot of Bush administration officials who probably should NOT visit Europe.

War criminals will not find safe haven in civilized nations, folks.

If the rest of the world in retrspect decides that what Bush II's people did constiuted war crimes?

Well then those people had best keep their asses in America where they'll be safe from the clutches of the rest of the world.

Their safety depends on American continuing to be a superpower.

And that superpower status isn't looking so good right now, is it?

Only when one lies and twists the truth. NONE of those Officials are criminals. And Spain has no Jurisdiction. We should retaliate but Obama will kiss their ass.

Jurisdiction preumes that war criminals have a safe haven.

If it becomes the mindset of the world that some American official is a war criminal then jurisdiction becomes irrelevant.

When it comes to the raw application of power, jurisdiction depends on who has ithe power.

Jesus...you're a lifer in the military and you don't understand that?

If the world actually truly cared about legal nicities, there's be no military anywhere on earth.
 
Who gives a shit about spains courts jurisdiction. They DON'T have jurisdiction in AMERICA. Let 'em play their little game, then they can go fuck themselves.
 
Yes, I am quite sure we are ALL impressed by those of you who feel the need to remeind us all what tough guys you are, and how patriotically American, too.

So noted.

Now back the issue of war criminals?

IF it becomes the mindset of ANY nation that an American official was a WAR CRIMINAL, then guess what?

If they set foot on their soil they will be put on trial.

JUST AS ...

American would do if it got its hands on a WAR criminal.

Jesus...is that so fucking hard to understand?
 
There is one particular jackass in the Spanish system who has a history of this and I am certain this started with him. Cannot recall his name. All attempts to date have failed. If the UN gets away with its desire to have banana republics run the globe, he will probably win the Nobel Prize at some point.
 
I suspect that as America's superpower status fades, and that is inevitable as our economy continues its decline, the security of former officials who are thought by other nations to be war criminals will continue to decline.

There are already a lot of Bush administration officials who probably should NOT visit Europe.

War criminals will not find safe haven in civilized nations, folks.

If the rest of the world in retrspect decides that what Bush II's people did constiuted war crimes?

Well then those people had best keep their asses in America where they'll be safe from the clutches of the rest of the world.

Their safety depends on American continuing to be a superpower.

And that superpower status isn't looking so good right now, is it?
you are one sick perverted person
you really want American citizens to be held to laws of another country that they never did anything in?
you REALLY want to go down THAT road?
no fucking way do i
 
Only when one lies and twists the truth. NONE of those Officials are criminals. And Spain has no Jurisdiction. We should retaliate but Obama will kiss their ass.

And how do you know that?

Spanish law allows courts to reach beyond national borders in cases of torture or war crimes under a doctrine of universal justice, though the government has recently said it hopes to limit the scope of the legal process.

Garzon became famous for bringing charges against former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in 1998, and he and other Spanish judges have agreed to investigate alleged abuses everywhere from Tibet to Argentina's "dirty war," El Salvador and Rwanda.
Still, the country's record in prosecuting such cases has been spotty at best, with only one suspect extradited to Spain so far.

When a similar case was brought against Israeli officials earlier this year, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos assured his Israeli counterpart that the process would be quashed.
Even if indictments are eventually handed down against the U.S. officials, it is far from clear whether arrests would ever take place. The officials would have to travel outside the United States and to a country willing to take them into custody before possible extradition to Spain.

The officials are charged with providing a legal cover for interrogation methods like waterboarding against terrorism suspects at Guantanamo, which the Spanish human rights lawyers say amounted to torture.

Yoo, for instance, wrote a series of secret memos that claimed the president had the legal authority to circumvent the Geneva Conventions.
i dont give a rats ass what their laws state
they have ZERO jusidiction HERE
unless you want to submit yourself to American law in Canada
 
I suspect that as America's superpower status fades, and that is inevitable as our economy continues its decline, the security of former officials who are thought by other nations to be war criminals will continue to decline.

There are already a lot of Bush administration officials who probably should NOT visit Europe.

War criminals will not find safe haven in civilized nations, folks.

If the rest of the world in retrspect decides that what Bush II's people did constiuted war crimes?

Well then those people had best keep their asses in America where they'll be safe from the clutches of the rest of the world.

Their safety depends on American continuing to be a superpower.

And that superpower status isn't looking so good right now, is it?

Only when one lies and twists the truth. NONE of those Officials are criminals. And Spain has no Jurisdiction. We should retaliate but Obama will kiss their ass.

Jurisdiction preumes that war criminals have a safe haven.

If it becomes the mindset of the world that some American official is a war criminal then jurisdiction becomes irrelevant.

When it comes to the raw application of power, jurisdiction depends on who has ithe power.

Jesus...you're a lifer in the military and you don't understand that?

If the world actually truly cared about legal nicities, there's be no military anywhere on earth.
again, there are no war criminals here
you can stick that partisan BULLSHIT up your ass
 

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