Spain Challenging France!

[Annie]

Which is going to go lower? There is no way to describe this advertisment, but I would cancel any planned vacation plans there.

http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2004/09/you-can-do-lot-in-one-single-day-just.html

 

[NATO AIR]

that is so sad, i'm sure that is just a fraction of the spanish people though right?

 

[onedomino]

Thank you for letting me know that such people exist in Spain; a country I used to respect before they cut and ran like cowards from Iraq.

The ad was infuriating. It was disrespectful of the thousands of people murdered in New York by despicable Muslim barbarians.

 

[NATO AIR]

i do agree that aznar's alliance with bush cost him dearly among the spanish electorate, but i think the real reason he lost the election via 3/11 was that he was so intent, so focused, so closedminded on whether it was the ETA or not. he immediately pinned the bombings on the ETA, and kept blaming them even when it became clear that some other party was involved (al-queda in this case). that hurt him dearly, perhaps more so than his iraqi freedom support.

 

[Annie]

that is so sad, i'm sure that is just a fraction of the spanish people though right?

Sure it's a 'fraction' my guess, 65/100. On your later post, I concur, the sign posts of al Quaida were apparent pretty quickly, not sure why Azar was so fixated on ETA, whose MO called for warnings and minimizing civilian casualties, not to mention they seemed incapable of such a large scale, coordinated attack.

Nonetheless, welcome Spain, to the Axis of Weasels!

 

[onedomino]

Yes, there was the confusion about the ETA. As I recall, however, it only lasted a couple of days before Spanish police started to focus on Islamic terrorists. I find the initial attention given to the ETA understandable in light of its murderous history in Spain.

What I have trouble with is the Spanish electorate's response to the 311 terrorist attack. Instead of displaying courage, they voted for the Fear Party running Cowardice for PM.

 

[Annie]

Yes, there was the confusion about the ETA. As I recall, however, it only lasted a couple of days before Spanish police started to focus on Islamic terrorists. I find the initial attention given to the ETA understandable in light of its murderous history in Spain.

What I have trouble with is the Spanish electorate's response to the 311 terrorist attack. Instead of displaying courage, they voted for the Fear Party running Cowardice for PM.

Actually the police immediately began to focus on al Quaida, they found the tapes, Korans, and explosives-they KNEW it wasn't ETA. For some reason, Azar thought he'd be in better political shape with ETA. He thought wrong.

 

[NATO AIR]

yea, see the elections were that sunday and the bombing was just a few days before the election...aznar made a political gamble that he could pin it on the ETA, and it blew up in his face and cost him his office.

 

[onedomino]

yea, see the elections were that sunday and the bombing was just a few days before the election...aznar made a political gamble that he could pin it on the ETA, and it blew up in his face and cost him his office.

I realize that for a few days prior to the election the Spanish socialist politicians and media pounded on the ETA v. Muslim discrepancy. Do you think that if Aznar had blamed Islamic terrorists immediately that the electorate would have backed him at the polls? Perhaps I am wrong, but my impression was that the Spanish electorate was overcome by fear and that the bombing itself was the principle reason Anzar lost.

 

[NATO AIR]

it may have saved him. he could have shown real leadership and talked about the threat of islamic fundamentalism and the need to defend Spain and her interests. Instead, he misled them and appeared weak. i was not aware he'd been studying chirac's leadership style so much.

 

[padisha emperor]

For me, Aznar did'nt speak immediatly of an islamic attack for 2 reasons, one logical, one political

THe first it is that ETA made lots of attempts upon Spain, but also France.
So it is the loguc way to think that it is ETA.

But Aznar's interests was that is was a attempt of ETA : Sapin is again attacked by the Basque terrorist groupe, so, he can promise things...and be reelected.
But it wasan Islamic attempt : this attempt was to charge the spanish presence in Iraq.
So this attempt showed to the spanish people that if they were with Aznar and Bush in Iraq, they would be under attack. And if the people feel that he is in danger when he suppotrs Aznar >> the people won't vote for him.

So, Aznar said it was an ETA attempt because it was less dangerous for it reelection.



Otherwise, I'm not sure to have well understand your link, kathianne. can you explain me quickly ? What did El Pais ?

 

[Annie]

For me, Aznar did'nt speak immediatly of an islamic attack for 2 reasons, one logical, one political

THe first it is that ETA made lots of attempts upon Spain, but also France.
So it is the loguc way to think that it is ETA.

But Aznar's interests was that is was a attempt of ETA : Sapin is again attacked by the Basque terrorist groupe, so, he can promise things...and be reelected.
But it wasan Islamic attempt : this attempt was to charge the spanish presence in Iraq.
So this attempt showed to the spanish people that if they were with Aznar and Bush in Iraq, they would be under attack. And if the people feel that he is in danger when he suppotrs Aznar >> the people won't vote for him.

So, Aznar said it was an ETA attempt because it was less dangerous for it reelection.



Otherwise, I'm not sure to have well understand your link, kathianne. can you explain me quickly ? What did El Pais ?

Padisha, you are looking at this through French eyes, the only course available to you. I can't explain this to you, you would not understand.

 

[padisha emperor]

Padisha, you are looking at this through French eyes, the only course available to you. I can't explain this to you, you would not understand.

Did you think it because it is a spanish/english translation problem ? About a sentence who shock you ?


(and for my message...I don't mean it IS the truth, I mean it MAY be not wrong.)

 

[Ali]

Padisha, you are looking at this through French eyes, the only course available to you. I can't explain this to you, you would not understand.

And you can only see through American Eyes, which is why you do not understand.

 

[onedomino]

Did you think it because it is a spanish/english translation problem ? About a sentence who shock you ?


(and for my message...I don't mean it IS the truth, I mean it MAY be not wrong.)

I'll explain it to you. It is extremely poor judgment to use the destruction of the twin towers and the murder of almost 3000 people as the basis for an advertisment. It shows disrespect and contempt for all those who died.

 

[padisha emperor]

what did they exaclty said ? I mean for the advertisment.

Is it the "much can happen in one day" ?

 

[onedomino]

what did they exaclty said ? I mean for the advertisment.

Is it the "much can happen in one day" ?

Don't you see that whether it is "You can do a lot in one single day; just imagine what can happen in three months," or "A lot of things can happen in one day...", or "Much can be done in one day...", does not make any difference? Any one of those phrases combined with the before and after photos of New York is cruel and insensitive. The people who wrote and formatted the ad showed contempt for those who died in the murderous terrorist attacks.

 

[Ali]

I'll explain it to you. It is extremely poor judgment to use the destruction of the twin towers and the murder of almost 3000 people as the basis for an advertisment. It shows disrespect and contempt for all those who died.

Even worse judgement to continue to support a pair of goons who openly threaten you with terror attacks if you don't vote for them!!!

"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on November 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States."

Who said that? Sounds like somebody's trying to threaten you with another terror attack if, you don't Toe the Line. How does he know there will be another attack? He doesn't say there might be, he says there will be. I believe him, do you?

Make no mistake, the 9/11 attack benefitted the GOP more than anybody else, by galvanising the US public and international community into letting Cheney and Runsfeld do whatever they wanted. There is plenty of evidence pointing towards a deliberate delay on the part of the military in response to the off-course airliners on the morning of 9/11 and now Cheney is openly threatening the US public with another attack, if they don't vote for his monkey.

Nobody uses the senseless tragedy that was 9/11 more to further their own cause than the Republican party, who were the cause, indirect or direct, of the tragedy in the first place. As long as your government continues to cause trouble in the Middle East, there will be people who hate you, not just Arabic people, but everybody. The people of Spain did not want to go to war before the UN had decided, nor did Russia, France, Germany and many other countries, which is the main reason why they voted that little cretin out of office. The terror attacks in Spain were designed to make Spanish people hate Arabs, but it didn't work. The people of Spain know why they were attacked, it was to make them hate Arabs and support the killing and oppression of Arabs in Iraq and Palestine and they are not going to give in to hatred. There is plenty of reason to believe that terror attacks are designed to further the ends of the political parties in charge of the country being attacked, don't think it doesn't happen anywhere else.

The US cannot continue to defy the UN, the WTO and generally the entire world, without consequences. The chickens are coming home to roost, over 1000 of your brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, sons and daughters have died in Iraq, and nobody knows how many Iraqis have been killed (does anybody care?). And for what? Saddam is gone. Who put him there and supported him? RONALD REAGAN. I notice the Republican party made excellent political use of his state funeral. Forget the fact that he was selling weapons to Iran and also arming Iraq with the same weapons he used to gas the Kurds. George Bush was implicated in the whole thing and not only did he become president when the disgraced Reagan left office, but now his halfwit son is still pissing the rest of the world off, advised by his old henchman

Your country has done many, many evil things in the past, mostly to fuel the greed that drives you all to overeat, overconsume and drive around in ridiculously huge four wheel drive cars which never go off road.

I am not a supporter of any US political party. I doubt it makes any difference who is in charge there, as the policy never seems to change because it's driven by a force which is above politics.

I am seriously afraid for the future of all inhabitants of this planet if the US continues to break international laws in its quest for oil. Soon you will be at war with every nation on earth, is that what you want? By the looks of the posts on this board, it seems so!

 

[onedomino]

Even worse judgement to continue to support a pair of goons who openly threaten you with terror attacks if you don't vote for them!!!



Who said that? Sounds like somebody's trying to threaten you with another terror attack if, you don't Toe the Line. How does he know there will be another attack? He doesn't say there might be, he says there will be. I believe him, do you?

Make no mistake, the 9/11 attack benefitted the GOP more than anybody else, by galvanising the US public and international community into letting Cheney and Runsfeld do whatever they wanted. There is plenty of evidence pointing towards a deliberate delay on the part of the military in response to the off-course airliners on the morning of 9/11 and now Cheney is openly threatening the US public with another attack, if they don't vote for his monkey.

Nobody uses the senseless tragedy that was 9/11 more to further their own cause than the Republican party, who were the cause, indirect or direct, of the tragedy in the first place. As long as your government continues to cause trouble in the Middle East, there will be people who hate you, not just Arabic people, but everybody. The people of Spain did not want to go to war before the UN had decided, nor did Russia, France, Germany and many other countries, which is the main reason why they voted that little cretin out of office. The terror attacks in Spain were designed to make Spanish people hate Arabs, but it didn't work. The people of Spain know why they were attacked, it was to make them hate Arabs and support the killing and oppression of Arabs in Iraq and Palestine and they are not going to give in to hatred. There is plenty of reason to believe that terror attacks are designed to further the ends of the political parties in charge of the country being attacked, don't think it doesn't happen anywhere else.

The US cannot continue to defy the UN, the WTO and generally the entire world, without consequences. The chickens are coming home to roost, over 1000 of your brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, sons and daughters have died in Iraq, and nobody knows how many Iraqis have been killed (does anybody care?). And for what? Saddam is gone. Who put him there and supported him? RONALD REAGAN. I notice the Republican party made excellent political use of his state funeral. Forget the fact that he was selling weapons to Iran and also arming Iraq with the same weapons he used to gas the Kurds. George Bush was implicated in the whole thing and not only did he become president when the disgraced Reagan left office, but now his halfwit son is still pissing the rest of the world off, advised by his old henchman

Your country has done many, many evil things in the past, mostly to fuel the greed that drives you all to overeat, overconsume and drive around in ridiculously huge four wheel drive cars which never go off road.

I am not a supporter of any US political party. I doubt it makes any difference who is in charge there, as the policy never seems to change because it's driven by a force which is above politics.

I am seriously afraid for the future of all inhabitants of this planet if the US continues to break international laws in its quest for oil. Soon you will be at war with every nation on earth, is that what you want? By the looks of the posts on this board, it seems so!

This is some of the most insipid and hateful material I have ever read. Moreover, the assertions in your post are categorically false. The 311 attacks were designed to change the Spanish government. They succeeded. The 311 murderers knew that if they could get the Socialists to win, then the Spanish would cut and run from Iraq. When they fled from Iraq, the Spanish people demonstrated that they feared terrorists more than their loss of their honor. In disgrace, they joined the cynical French who were more interested in continuing their illegal businesses with the despicable Iraqi dictator than they were in claiming an honorable place in history. The only thing larger than French avarice in Iraq is their abject moral, political, and military, irrelevance.

 

[NATO AIR]

but you know what, i still respect the spaniards. you know why frogs? they've actually supported us through and through, and good friends are allowed to have disagreements. they may disagree with us on iraq, but i'd suspect when the going got tough somewhere else, they would be there. and they don't snipe at us like you frogs and terrorist apologists do... they mostly offer constructive criticism not aimed at humuliating America. And considering Spain just recently overcame a military dictatorship, it makes me wonder: would the French and Germans be able to do such a thing?
you guys probably would still be dictatorships if we hadn't ensured that freedom and democracy were the foundations of your governments. we didn't have that chance in spain in the 40's, but the spainiards got it for themselves. you two nitwits would just bow down and accept your fate as oppressed serfs, which is what you expect the rest of the oppressed masses in the world to do, so you can continue to make money with their oppressors.

or in the case of the rwandans and darfur tribes, roll over and die quietly.