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    Years ago, there were groups that swore that it was unconstitutional to pay income tax. It sounds like part of that movement or something similar. It works if you don't have anything to loose: job, house, family. It sounds like they do have legal standing, but what "judge" (part of the system) would support an individual against the government?
     
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    Yeah – pretty much sums it up.
     
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    The program said something about paper terrorism..where those who have what they call just cause, file lawsuits and liens against judges, cops, etc...which in turn means they won't ever collect but it sure screws up the credit of those filed against. Hence, the term Paper Terrorism. It's frivolous lawsuits, yes, the point isn't to win. It's to freeze up or cause angst with even more paperwork.

    Some care very extreme, some are dangerous, but what makes it different (from my understanding) it is not racial. All races can join or become a "sovereign citizen". They are against the government. All aspects of it.
     
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    "U.S. government has enslaved its citizens by using them as collateral against foreign debt."

    This is basically true. The government wastes our money, knowing that we have to work to live and can therefore pay taxes. by driving the debt up, the dollar goes down, forcing people onto entitlements, which gives gov the excuse to raise taxes. [can't let children starve].

    I wish them the best of luck. To fine a line for me to try and walk
     
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    I did a google search and did some light reading on it. Sovereign Citizens is a term I never heard used before. Militants is what I heard most often and know they are all over, but the ones I heard most about were associated to racist groups. What one guy said that I read was similar to what you said, TwoThumbs. He said he pays his taxes but refuses his social security check. That part I don't understand. He said, not verbatim, is if he did accept it, he would be slave to the government but paying his fair share of taxes was being part of what the old government was all about. This still confuses me because he worked for his SSI. It's his. :eusa_eh:
     
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    Tell us what law states you have to pay income tax. "Google" the 16th Amendment and then come back here.
     
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    That's a little nuts. It actually is his money + intrest.

    But not paying Fed taxes is Constitutional, taxing us is a crime.

    The Fed used to hold lottories to raise money. Wanna road? Have a fair, buy tickets to a lotto, sell cookies, etc, etc. If we had kept doing that, we may not have the vast road system or dams, but we also wouldn't have lobbiest in DC making sure they got what they wanted and we didn't.
     

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