South Africa, Wind Fails, turns to COAL!

[elektra]

As anyone who pays attention to Energy knows, South Africa squandered time and money to build Wind Turbines, which do nothing to elevate the pain of not having enough electricity to run a modern economy.

Thus, South Africa is betting on Coal.
Medupi Likely delay in first synchronisation of Unit 6 Daily Maverick

Medupi Power Station near Lephalale in Limpopo as seen during a media visit on Thursday, 11 April 2013. When completed, the power station is to have six boilers each powering an 800 MW turbine, producing 4800 MW of power. Eskom chief executive Brian Dames and Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba visited the site on Thursday. Picture: Werner Beukes/SAPA

Yes, Wind Energy failed, this winter during Christmas, South Africa shut down its industry so that utilities could do scheduled maintenance at the fossil fuel power plants.

This resulted in power outages. I have to wonder, why the great Wind Turbines did not supply the power needed?

SA braces for cold turkey as Eskom falters - Times LIVE

Eskom's latest power crisis is set to plunge some South African suburbs into 54 hours of darkness this week - and the chaos is likely to continue into the new year.

• Eskom and civil servants are milking it
  
  
• Rolling blackouts throughout the weekend: Eskom
  
  
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• Power cuts lead to job losses: Numsa
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• Consumers are warned to brace themselves for cold turkey on Christmas Day as the power utility expects to take some units offline for planned maintenance after industry shuts down for the year.

The embattled parastatal announced on Friday that it needed to free up 4000MW after running out of water and diesel at some facilities.

Eskom said this was due to depleted reserves and "unforeseen technical problems" at some cycle gas turbines and depleted water reserves at others.

Not since 2008, when rolling blackouts first hit South Africa - eventually costing the economy R50-billion - have consumers and businesses been as hard hit by interrupted power supply.

 

[Old Rocks]

A 250%+ cost overrun, you call that success?

Medupi Likely delay in first synchronisation of Unit 6 Daily Maverick

Cost overruns

The cost initially approved by the Eskom board for the construction of Medupi was R69,1 billion (excluding flue gas desulphurisation and interest during construction), and R80,6 billion for Kusile (including flue gas desulphurisation and excluding interest during construction).

The final costs to completion for both Medupi and Kusile are still uncertain, but are currently estimated at R154,2 billion and R172,2 billion respectively (including flue gas desulphursation, interest during construction and settling of outstanding contractor claims).

Further cost increases resulting from interventions and time overruns at Medupi and Kusile are expected to be announced in the next few weeks.

 

[Old Rocks]

Looks to me that wind and solar are doing well in South Africa.

South Africa Saved 69 Million From Solar Wind Energy In 2014

The Renewable Energy Independent Power Producers Programme has started delivering financial benefits to the South African power sector and the economy on the whole, a recent study has shown.

A study by the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) states that the 1.6 GW of wind and solar power capacity commissioned by the end of 2014 helped save more than $450 million. With the payments to these renewable energy projects through feed-in tariffs at around $390 million the net ‘profit’ to the economy from these project is over $60 million.

Electricity generated from 0.6 GW wind energy projects and 1 GW solar power projects replaced 1.07 TWh electricity from diesel-fired power plants and 1.12 TWh electricity from coal-fired power plants. Renewable energy projects have thus offset more than 2 million tonnes of CO2e emissions in 2014.

 

[Old Rocks]

List of wind farms in South Africa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The first large scale wind farm in South Africa became operational in 2014, and others are in planning and construction stages. Most of these are earmarked for locations along the Eastern Capecoastline. Eskom has constructed one small scale prototype windfarm at Klipheuwel in the Western Cape and another demonstrator site is near Darling with phase 1 completed.

So, South Africa has had a wind generation for less than a year, and that from only one wind farm. But look at the number that are in the process of construction. And I bet that there are a lot more being planned right now. As well as a large number of solar farms. Having that big coal plant coming in late, and at 250% to 300% over budget definately has helped the renewable sector.

 

[elektra]

Looks to me that wind and solar are doing well in South Africa.

South Africa Saved 69 Million From Solar Wind Energy In 2014

The Renewable Energy Independent Power Producers Programme has started delivering financial benefits to the South African power sector and the economy on the whole, a recent study has shown.

A study by the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) states that the 1.6 GW of wind and solar power capacity commissioned by the end of 2014 helped save more than $450 million. With the payments to these renewable energy projects through feed-in tariffs at around $390 million the net ‘profit’ to the economy from these project is over $60 million.

Electricity generated from 0.6 GW wind energy projects and 1 GW solar power projects replaced 1.07 TWh electricity from diesel-fired power plants and 1.12 TWh electricity from coal-fired power plants. Renewable energy projects have thus offset more than 2 million tonnes of CO2e emissions in 2014.

The amount of energy claimed to be produced by Solar and Wind in South Africa is insignificant, less than .5% of the total electricity production. Insignificant as in the margin of error in any study is 5%. Once we add line losses and capacity factor into the "study", we find that South Africa receives zero benefit from Solar and Wind.

South Africa Power Industry Update Quarter 3 2011 - market research report

The new South Africa Power Report from BMI projections that the country's electricity consumption will rise sharply in the coming years (from an estimated 215.42TWh in 2010 to 256.59TWh by 2015), sustained by economic and demographic growth. We also anticipate a hike in the country's power generation, as the government attempts to meet growing demand and increase the electrification rate (75% in 2009, according to the IEA). Conventional thermal sources are expected to remain the dominant fuel for electricity generation, with many coal-fired power projects under construction or planned.

Bullshit! What you call an, "offset", the report that your link references calls, Expected Unserved Energy. Another study by the Solar and Wind industry makes false claims. Linking to the Solar and Wind industries Lobbyists is not credible.

0.6 gw produced by Solar and Wind is insignificant compared to one hour (4,800 gwh) of power from just one new Coal Power plant, Medupi.

Old Crock, how many tons of CO2 was created manufacturing the miles of solar panels and the millions of tons of wind turbines? Millions? Yes? It is not included in your link, in the study, nowhere is this figure found.

 

[Mr. H.]

If a single endangered species is threatened by a hydrocarbon installation, be it oil gas or coal- in comes the EPA and the ESA with rules regulations and fines.

Build wind turbines and solar installations that extinguish the lives of 100 times the amount of wildlife and what is the result?

Waivers. Ten year licenses for the wanton destruction of wildlife.

I've had it with this shit. Fuck it. And screw you Liberal environmentals and your "save the earth" mentality. You're all a bunch of goddamn posers and hypocrites.

 

[elektra]

If a single endangered species is threatened by a hydrocarbon installation, be it oil gas or coal- in comes the EPA and the ESA with rules regulations and fines.

Build wind turbines and solar installations that extinguish the lives of 100 times the amount of wildlife and what is the result?

Waivers. Ten year licenses for the wanton destruction of wildlife.

I've had it with this shit. Fuck it. And screw you Liberal environmentals and your "save the earth" mentality. You're all a bunch of goddamn posers and hypocrites.

No kidding, now they move the scheme to South Africa, where corruption can rule the game.

 

[Old Rocks]

As rolling blackouts loom world energy leaders to congregate in SA

Company Announcement - As Eskom has missed another deadline to bring its Medupi power station online, and its financial woes have led to fears over South Africa’s electricity supply in 2015, world energy leaders will congregate in Johannesburg in a month to discuss the continent’senergy future. The annual AfricaEnergyIndaba - the continent’s premierenergy event - takes place on the 17-18 February 2015 at the Sandton Convention Centre, drawing global energy leaders and energy ministers from at least ten African nations. The event, which will put South Africa’senergy crisis in a broader spotlight, could not be coming at a more important time.

Ain't fucking coal power neat? If they had put that much money into solar and wind, they would have power right now. Instead they have a 300%+ cost overrun and no electricity.

 

[Old Rocks]

Elektra;
As anyone who pays attention to Energy knows, South Africa squandered time and money to build Wind Turbines, which do nothing to elevate the pain of not having enough electricity to run a modern economy.
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As anyone reading the above can see, you are a fucked up Goddamned liar, Elektra. It is that coal plant that has left South Africa without electricity, not the sole wind project. That is up and running and producing electricity, while the coal plant has yet to produce a single watt.

 

[elektra]

Elektra;
As anyone who pays attention to Energy knows, South Africa squandered time and money to build Wind Turbines, which do nothing to elevate the pain of not having enough electricity to run a modern economy.
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As anyone reading the above can see, you are a fucked up Goddamned liar, Elektra. It is that coal plant that has left South Africa without electricity, not the sole wind project. That is up and running and producing electricity, while the coal plant has yet to produce a single watt.

As I have repeated many times, you can not run an economy, industry, a nation with Clean Green Renewable energy. It took you long enough to admit that Old Crock.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Still trying to lie your way out of this fiasco? That coal plant is still not producing power, but the sole wind farm is. 300% overun and months late is pretty damned sad.

 

[elektra]

LOL. Still trying to lie your way out of this fiasco? That coal plant is still not producing power, but the sole wind farm is. 300% overun and months late is pretty damned sad.

Liar, the wind farm is idle, you have zero proof showing the wind farm is producing power.

Go ahead, post any link showing today's production from said wind farm.

 

[Old Rocks]

Go ahead and show a link for your claim. I gave you links for the overruns and how far the coal project was behind schedule.

 

[elektra]

Go ahead and show a link for your claim. I gave you links for the overruns and how far the coal project was behind schedule.

you made the claim, you demand links, put your money where your mouth is, you stated the wind farm is producing electricity, if everything demands a link, then link proving your claim.

My OP is linked and stands unchallenged, its pure fact. Your comment is hearsay.

 

[Old Rocks]

On the third of this month, Medupi produced it's first watt of electricity. Three months behind schedule and 300% over budget. South Africa is definately planning more renewables after this dismal show on the part of the conventional energy advocates.

 

[Zander]

Here's a wind farm producing ........

 

[Old Rocks]

Here's a wind farm producing ........

Old boy, I think you just blew out your brains.

 

[Old Rocks]

Go ahead and show a link for your claim. I gave you links for the overruns and how far the coal project was behind schedule.

you made the claim, you demand links, put your money where your mouth is, you stated the wind farm is producing electricity, if everything demands a link, then link proving your claim.

My OP is linked and stands unchallenged, its pure fact. Your comment is hearsay.

No matter how many times you tell a lie, it is still a lie.

 

[elektra]

No matter how many times you tell a lie, it is still a lie.

That is why your name is Old Crock.

 

[bripat9643]

Looks to me that wind and solar are doing well in South Africa.

South Africa Saved 69 Million From Solar Wind Energy In 2014

The Renewable Energy Independent Power Producers Programme has started delivering financial benefits to the South African power sector and the economy on the whole, a recent study has shown.

A study by the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) states that the 1.6 GW of wind and solar power capacity commissioned by the end of 2014 helped save more than $450 million. With the payments to these renewable energy projects through feed-in tariffs at around $390 million the net ‘profit’ to the economy from these project is over $60 million.

Electricity generated from 0.6 GW wind energy projects and 1 GW solar power projects replaced 1.07 TWh electricity from diesel-fired power plants and 1.12 TWh electricity from coal-fired power plants. Renewable energy projects have thus offset more than 2 million tonnes of CO2e emissions in 2014.

"Net profits to the economy?" How the fuck is that calculated? How were there "net profits" when the government subsidized the plant to the tune of $390 million? Where is the "profit?"