CDZ Sources and Methods: Carter Page

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  1. usmbguest5318
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    Note: This thread is not about the politics of the Nunes and Democratic memos, so don't post about the politics, political impetus, political impact(s), political merits/demerits, etc. of either.


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    The one thing that's made clear by the disclosures of both the GOP and Democratic memos regarding the FISA process re: Carter Page is that assuming Page was in fact somehow (willfully or unwittingly) aiding or abetting Russian intelligence initiatives, it's possible the FBI found out about it and, in turn, undertook efforts to "turn" him, or at least to feed him disinformation that would confound the Russian's intelligence analysis. If there were any doubt among Russian intel personnel about the legitimacy of Page as their asset, i.e., the nature and extent to which he may have been "made," they can be certain now that he, as of the date of very first FISA warrant application that overlaps with whatever intel operations they were conducting, most certainly had been "made," if not converted into a counterintelligence asset.

    The release of either memo effectively removed whatever uncertainty -- uncertainty and fomenting it being key elements and ends of intelligence strategy -- may have existed regarding of what of their assumptions/actions/interpretations derived materially from input from Page needs to be revisited. There's no telling just what those things/ideas/actions may have been, but it's plausible to conceive that they pertain to the indictments of Russians that came about recently; whatever utility may have accrued from Page's associations with Russian state actors and cutouts was over.

    Yes, I know that sounds convoluted, but what about intelligence and counterintelligence operations isn't convoluted?



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    Carter Page is demanding the release of the entire FISA warrant applications. He is suing the government. They will be forced to provide all of this in discovery and that is why they haven't charged him with a crime. Because he committed no crime and the FBI wants the Carter Page angle to go away.

    No one would sue the government if they were guilty of a crime and by suing them give the government the opportunity to prove a crime was committed.

    This should have been posted in the Conspiracy theory forum where you don't have to include a "convoluted" disclaimer.
     
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    That is a suit in which he's unlikely to prevail and one in which, even if he were to prevail, many of the specifics likely won't for a very long time become public.
    Before you elect to prognosticated about what will or won't happen in the Page matter, you should have first reviewed the rules of procedure pertaining to cases involving/containing classified information, witnesses, etc.
     

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