Source of Iraq WMD intelligence tells his story

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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- His phone number was published in a German phone directory -- Rafid Alwan, whose claims that Saddam Hussein was producing biological agents helped launch the Iraq war.

He was reluctant to speak on the record, initially denying he was Iraqi or that he was the defector dubbed "Curveball" by the CIA. But eight months after we first contacted him, Alwan agreed to an interview, and we met in an anonymous hotel room in a southern German town.

Trying to get details from him was difficult -- he spoke at length, often launching into a flowery history of Iraq or a description of Hussein's crimes, and in Arabic, which meant we had to wait after each answer for a translation.

We spoke for more than three hours, Alwan sitting across the room from me, wearing a stylish black suit. But in the end, he hadn't said very much at all.

In the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell delivered a dramatic presentation to the U.N. Security Council. The United States had first-hand accounts, he said, detailing how Hussein was secretly creating biological agents using mobile laboratories in "road-trailer units and rail cars."

Source of Iraq WMD intelligence tells his story - CNN.com
 
Wingnuts, please line up and take a number :lol:
um, read the story at the link
he denies he made the claims attributed to him
and he denies the US ever talked to him directly
so whatever the Germans gave us from him they must have fabricated
 
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um, read the story at the link
he denies he made the claims attributed to him
and he denies the US ever talked to him directly
so whatever the Germans gave us from him they must have fabricated

Hello (in best Mr Ed voice)

Subsequent U.S. investigations into the intelligence failure around the claims found that German intelligence considered the defector "crazy"

Tyler Drumheller, the CIA's station chief in Europe at the time, said he tried to warn his superiors at the agency about using Curveball's information. Drumheller said he thinks the Curveball case is one of the lowest points in the history of the CIA, but he does not believe Alwan was at fault.

"He was driven by his own self-preservation, and then he got caught up in the story he was telling, and then he just had to keep going," Drumheller said.
 
Curveball was not a part of prewar US intel
so whatever he says doesnt change anything
he was used by the Germans only as far as i'm concerned

Curveball was operative for the INC and source for Tenets "slam dunk" statement providing info on Salmon Pak, Iraq's mobile weapons labs, nuclear program, and biological weapons programs. He was an alcoholic and noted liar. Nothing he ever said was vetted and what he said changed everything...
 
Curveball was operative for the INC and source for Tenets "slam dunk" statement providing info on Salmon Pak, Iraq's mobile weapons labs, nuclear program, and biological weapons programs. He was an alcoholic and noted liar. Nothing he ever said was vetted and what he said changed everything...
he claims he never met, or spoke with US intel, and that he never made those claims
 
he claims he never met, or spoke with US intel, and that he never made those claims

What part of "noted drunk and liar" did you miss? This is a very old story and well documented. This was all hearsay and delivered third party. That is the point!!! And exactly why are you having a problem with this? There have been Congressional hearing over this; Tenet has written about it in his book; Bush has admitted they failed to vet the stories; Powell has admitted he failed to vet "aluminum tubes" and "mobile labs"; Frontline, which did the initial story on Salman Pak, has retracted and did a follow up on Curveball and well as an excellent piece on how the media, including themselves, failed in the lead up to the Iraq war. Do you live in a cave? The case for war in Iraq was built completely around fallacies. The real question begged is just how in the hell do you win a fallacy!
 
What part of "noted drunk and liar" did you miss? This is a very old story and well documented. This was all hearsay and delivered third party. That is the point!!! And exactly why are you having a problem with this? There have been Congressional hearing over this; Tenet has written about it in his book; Bush has admitted they failed to vet the stories; Powell has admitted he failed to vet "aluminum tubes" and "mobile labs"; Frontline, which did the initial story on Salman Pak, has retracted and did a follow up on Curveball and well as an excellent piece on how the media, including themselves, failed in the lead up to the Iraq war. Do you live in a cave? The case for war in Iraq was built completely around fallacies. The real question begged is just how in the hell do you win a fallacy!
so, he lied to CNN
LOL
priceless
 

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