Soooooo why was this shot down?

[Jackson]

Obama is an ineffective consensus builder and negotiator.

Nothing to do with the question, try again.

Everything to do with the question. If the great compromiser wanted a jobs bill he would have reached across the aisle to make it happen.

Instead he dictated the legislation.

Consensus building among stakeholders is a key component of leadership.

The bill went in the right direction but didn't go far enough. I believe there should be more taxes on imports even if they are "American" manufacturers, making the item more profitable to make in the US. The republicans might not have liked that, but that's where it should have gone.

 

[naturegirl]

So RDD starts a thread blaming Republicans for not passing it yet he gives no indication of what is really in the bill. The only link is to an article in bi-partisan (cough, cough) CNN.

Where's the link to the bill so we can all read it instead of reading what the talking heads at CNN think??

 

[daveman]

So not one real answer. Just like I thought. The majority of the GOP considers itself to be more important than the country as a whole.

"The Senate cannot originate tax bills" is a real answer. Even Democrats are subject to the law.

And yes, it's a tax bill. Here's the text:

Full Text of S. 3364: Bring Jobs Home Act - GovTrack.us

 

[DiamondDave]

Hmmm... lots of misinformation in and about this bill...

First there is no deduction for outsourcing or shipping jobs overseas.... second, looks like the proposed revenue increase would be less than 15 million (yes, that is correct, million not billion) while Obama has already spent almost twice that in ads complaining about outsourcing

Typical political posturing and absolute bullshit put in to legislation

This was a chest puffing bill that had no real benefit... and looks like it was planned to be that way so that the DEMs could point fingers at REPs during election time.. trying to fool uninformed voters

 

[JoeB131]

Dollar to a dog turd Reid loaded it down with a bunch of poison pill amendments, so lolberal bedwetters could mewl about "republican obstructionism".

Double-dealing weasel fuckchops are like that.

1) Then you pass a version in the house that doesn't have the amendments and get rid of them in conference.

2) Can you actually name these "poison pills", or are you just theorizing?

 

[naturegirl]

So not one real answer. Just like I thought. The majority of the GOP considers itself to be more important than the country as a whole.

"The Senate cannot originate tax bills" is a real answer. Even Democrats are subject to the law.

And yes, it's a tax bill. Here's the text:

Full Text of S. 3364: Bring Jobs Home Act - GovTrack.us

Looks again like the President wants to choose winners and losers. Really?? Is that the job of the POTUS???

 

[OODA_Loop]

So, the GOP didn't allow it to be voted on because Obama (of course) didn't push hard enough? THAT is your reason?? Otherwise the GOP liked the bill, they just didn't hear the magic words from Obama?

Obama didn't allow for GOP amendments.

Why vote on dictated, one-sided legislation ?

 

[Sarah G]

Can someone please give me an honest answer about what is wrong with this legislation and why it wasn't even allowed to come to a vote?

GOP senators block top Obama jobs initiative - CNN.com

This looks to be a good bill to promote bringing back jobs, private business jobs, to American soil. But the majority of the GOP in the senate blocked it from even being allowed to be voted on. Why?

This screams of partisan politics and again placing priority on blocking anything that the president does as priority #1 even when it comes at the cost of creating American jobs.

So, can someone please explain it to me.

I think you can probably guess..

 

[GuyPinestra]

If you'd read your own link you would know why. Harry Reid wouldn't allow any amendments, as usual. He runs the Senate like his own personal fiefdom, changing the way the Senate has operated for DECADES, all to advance his partisan political agenda.

Had the Republicans done this shit to Democrats when they were in the minority we'd STILL be hearing about it.

 

[JoeB131]

If you'd read your own link you would know why. Harry Reid wouldn't allow any amendments, as usual. He runs the Senate like his own personal fiefdom, changing the way the Senate has operated for DECADES, all to advance his partisan political agenda.

Had the Republicans done this shit to Democrats when they were in the minority we'd STILL be hearing about it.

One of you loons said he put on too many amendments...

Get your story straight.

Why not just vote on the bill. And if you want to do some other things that are good, introduce a bill to do that.

Unless your goal is to strangle the economy until November so that people will be scared into voting for a weird Mormon Robot.

 

[zeke]

Hey, I read the bill and I know why the Rethugs didn't support it. It was easy to pick out and I am surprised many of you didn't pick up on it.

First, the bill didn't say anything about stopping abortion and de funding Planned Parenthood. (both hot button, job creating issues for rethugs.)

Second. There was no proposed tax cut for the ultra wealthy. (the Rethugs number one priority, cause the rich are really struggling)

Third. There was no provision to eliminate the Health Care law. (and we all know what that means. rut ro.)

In baseball and the Congress, three strikes and that bill is outta there.

But stay tuned. The rethugs are all set to bring their job creation bill to the floor for a vote.
If you wanna know what is in it, see the three items above.

 

[pete]

Simple, party first, make Obama fail second, America last.

and if the parties were reversed ... no difference!

 

[zeke]

Simple, party first, make Obama fail second, America last.

and if the parties were reversed ... no difference!

but the parties are not reversed and that wasn't the issue. You want jobs back in the USA or not. As sallow says; it really is that simple. Do you want to make the effort to have employers bring back jobs to the USA or not.

 

[GuyPinestra]

If you'd read your own link you would know why. Harry Reid wouldn't allow any amendments, as usual. He runs the Senate like his own personal fiefdom, changing the way the Senate has operated for DECADES, all to advance his partisan political agenda.

Had the Republicans done this shit to Democrats when they were in the minority we'd STILL be hearing about it.

One of you loons said he put on too many amendments...

Get your story straight.

Why not just vote on the bill. And if you want to do some other things that are good, introduce a bill to do that.

Unless your goal is to strangle the economy until November so that people will be scared into voting for a weird Mormon Robot.

You're not paying attention, Joe. 'Filling the tree' is the tactic of proposing so many Democrat amendments that the Republicans can't get any of their amendments looked at, let alone voted on. Harry Reid won't allow ANYTHING on the floor from the Republican side.

If you knew half of what you THINK you know, you'd know that.

 

[Conservative]

Can someone please give me an honest answer about what is wrong with this legislation and why it wasn't even allowed to come to a vote?

GOP senators block top Obama jobs initiative - CNN.com

This looks to be a good bill to promote bringing back jobs, private business jobs, to American soil. But the majority of the GOP in the senate blocked it from even being allowed to be voted on. Why?

This screams of partisan politics and again placing priority on blocking anything that the president does as priority #1 even when it comes at the cost of creating American jobs.

So, can someone please explain it to me.

and the 20 or so jobs bills Reid is sitting on.. that isn't partisan? Where's your fauxrage there???

 

[JoeB131]

If you'd read your own link you would know why. Harry Reid wouldn't allow any amendments, as usual. He runs the Senate like his own personal fiefdom, changing the way the Senate has operated for DECADES, all to advance his partisan political agenda.

Had the Republicans done this shit to Democrats when they were in the minority we'd STILL be hearing about it.

One of you loons said he put on too many amendments...

Get your story straight.

Why not just vote on the bill. And if you want to do some other things that are good, introduce a bill to do that.

Unless your goal is to strangle the economy until November so that people will be scared into voting for a weird Mormon Robot.

You're not paying attention, Joe. 'Filling the tree' is the tactic of proposing so many Democrat amendments that the Republicans can't get any of their amendments looked at, let alone voted on. Harry Reid won't allow ANYTHING on the floor from the Republican side.

If you knew half of what you THINK you know, you'd know that.

Guy, I've been invovled in Politics for 30 years, and frankly, whining that you don't get your way on stuff is sort of unmanly.

 

[edthecynic]

Dollar to a dog turd Reid loaded it down with a bunch of poison pill amendments, so lolberal bedwetters could mewl about "republican obstructionism".

Double-dealing weasel fuckchops are like that.

Don't you ever get tired of making a complete ass of yourself??? It was the GOP who wanted to bog down the bill with unrelated amendments! See the first quote in my sig.

From the link in the OP:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, responded that those amendments were not germane to the bill and he would not allow votes on them.

 

[zeke]

Really Guy.

Just what does defunding PP and giving away more tax dollars to the ultra rich, what do they have to do with job creation and giving employers with overseas operations an incentive to bring those jobs back to the states?

 

[Conservative]

link to bill text...
Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

here's part of the problem...

Section 208I.
No deduction otherwise allowable under this chapter shall be allowed for any specified outsourcing expense.

This takes away any existing breaks, and replaces them with those specified in the bill text. How do we know which is better?

Then there's this...

(d) Regulations- The Secretary shall prescribe such regulations or other guidance as may be necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this section, including regulations which provide (or create a rebuttable presumption) that certain establishments of business units outside the United States will be treated as relocations (based on timing or such other factors as the Secretary may provide) of business units eliminated within the United States.'.

Seems a little vague, doesn't it? Pretty much allows the Secretary to set any rules they feel like for this.



As for amendments... 11 were introduced... none were allowed a vote.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/L?d112:./temp/~bda69fn:1[1-11]%28Amendments_For_S.3364%29&./temp/~bdn3lP
8 from the GOP and 3 from the Dems themselves. We'll never know what was in any of the amendments...

AMENDMENT PURPOSE: Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.

 

[Conservative]

Dollar to a dog turd Reid loaded it down with a bunch of poison pill amendments, so lolberal bedwetters could mewl about "republican obstructionism".

Double-dealing weasel fuckchops are like that.

Don't you ever get tired of making a complete ass of yourself??? It was the GOP who wanted to bog down the bill with unrelated amendments! See the first quote in my sig.

From the link in the OP:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, had warned Democrats before the vote that his party would want to amend the bill -- possibly with hot-button issues like repealing the health care reform law or extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, responded that those amendments were not germane to the bill and he would not allow votes on them.

and the 3 Democrat sponsored amendments? No bogging down there, huh.

Dumb ass.