Something For Which To Be Grateful

[Cammmpbell]

That We Won:

World War II: After the War - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

I really began to rehash old memories while I was looking at those. All of it happened during my lifetime. I remember two of my uncles hanging a run of wire aerial outside my grandparent's house preparing to listen to Roosevelt's Dec. 8, 1941 speech declaring war on the Japanese following Pearl Harbor. They had an old battery powered RCA console radio. All of us gathered around the radio in the front room of the old farmhouse and nobody made a sound while the president was speaking. I was barely seven years old. I think it's fascinating that after 70 years anyone with a PC and broadband connection can watch that same speech on youtube:

American Rhetoric: Franklin Delano Roosevelt - Pearl Harbor Address to the Nation (12-08-41)

 

[OODA_Loop]

i'm greatful I know about the liberal resistance to WW2

 

[Cammmpbell]

i'm greatful I know about the liberal resistance to WW2

Proves you know absolutely nothing about it. Who do you think FDR was...Dick Cheney

Roosevelt initiated the CCC, the WPA, the TVA, the RFD, social security, etc. which the Republicans have ranted about ever since.

Roosevelt was a Liberal's Liberal. There's a helluva difference in "fignting back" and making up 1000 lies about non existent weapons of mass destruction and traveling 10,000 miles across the planet to jump on a country which had done absolutely nothing to us except try to assassinate the president's daddy when he was in that country nearly a decade earlier.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Proves you know absolutely nothing about it. Who do you think FDR was...Dick Cheney

i know about:

Keep America Out of War Congress,
Norman Thomas
John T. Flynn
Oswald Garrison Villard
Harry Elmer Barnes
Robert Douglas Stuart Jr., and Kingman Brewster

 

[spectrumc01]

I'm greatful for:

1. Family and friends who stand with you.
2. A God that has my best intrests at heart, even though I can't see it.
3. A nation, that for the moment, is still free.
4. A world, that for the moment, I'm still proud of to hand over to my children.
5. Fellow citizens who are willing to debate the issues and try to improve our overall situation, unlike our politicians.
6. The Detroit lions, finally having a good year. Detroit 37 Greenbay 34 (ot)


Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who reads this, have a safe holiday.

 

[JoeB131]

That We Won:

World War II: After the War - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

I really began to rehash old memories while I was looking at those. All of it happened during my lifetime. I remember two of my uncles hanging a run of wire aerial outside my grandparent's house preparing to listen to Roosevelt's Dec. 8, 1941 speech declaring war on the Japanese following Pearl Harbor. They had an old battery powered RCA console radio. All of us gathered around the radio in the front room of the old farmhouse and nobody made a sound while the president was speaking. I was barely seven years old. I think it's fascinating that after 70 years anyone with a PC and broadband connection can watch that same speech on youtube:

American Rhetoric: Franklin Delano Roosevelt - Pearl Harbor Address to the Nation (12-08-41)

Yeah, it was a good thing he hadn't spent two years antognizing the Axis powers before we got attacked.

Oh. Wait. He did.

"It is our policy of sticking needles into rattlesnakes that has gotten us bitten"- Herbert Hoover to a friend after Pearl Harbor.

 

[Cammmpbell]

That We Won:

World War II: After the War - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

I really began to rehash old memories while I was looking at those. All of it happened during my lifetime. I remember two of my uncles hanging a run of wire aerial outside my grandparent's house preparing to listen to Roosevelt's Dec. 8, 1941 speech declaring war on the Japanese following Pearl Harbor. They had an old battery powered RCA console radio. All of us gathered around the radio in the front room of the old farmhouse and nobody made a sound while the president was speaking. I was barely seven years old. I think it's fascinating that after 70 years anyone with a PC and broadband connection can watch that same speech on youtube:

American Rhetoric: Franklin Delano Roosevelt - Pearl Harbor Address to the Nation (12-08-41)

Yeah, it was a good thing he hadn't spent two years antognizing the Axis powers before we got attacked.

Oh. Wait. He did.

"It is our policy of sticking needles into rattlesnakes that has gotten us bitten"- Herbert Hoover to a friend after Pearl Harbor.

You guys are too easy. Anything and every bad thing which has happened to America is the fault of a Democrat. Why don't you jump in there and start undoing Bush's cutting taxes twice and beginning to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars each year from Comminist Chinese banks to fund them, starting two wars...one totally unecessary, doubling the national debt from $5.7 to nearly $12 trillion then wrecking the economy.....speaking of Herbert Hoover.

 

[occupied]

Some hidden history for thanksgiving morning.


Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FDR’s Response to the Plot to Overthrow Him » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[JoeB131]

You guys are too easy. Anything and every bad thing which has happened to America is the fault of a Democrat. Why don't you jump in there and start undoing Bush's cutting taxes twice and beginning to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars each year from Comminist Chinese banks to fund them, starting two wars...one totally unecessary, doubling the national debt from $5.7 to nearly $12 trillion then wrecking the economy.....speaking of Herbert Hoover.

Not at all. It's a matter of history.

The Japanese did not attack us for shits and grins. The Japanese attacked us because we were cutting off key supplies, freezing their assets and arming their enemies.

Which is just dandy, I guess, if you want to start a war that the vast majority of your population is against.

Oh, and you're debt numbers are completely wrong guy. Bush inherited a debt of 7 Trillion and left with 10 trillion. Obama's run up more than that in three years.

 

[JoeB131]

Some hidden history for thanksgiving morning.


Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FDR’s Response to the Plot to Overthrow Him » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Yawn... most credible historians doubt that there was a business plot anywhere except in the deranged mind of Smedley Butler...

 

[Dragon]

You guys are hopeless.

I, too, am thankful that World War II was an Allied victory. I know something about what the Nazis planned to do in the long run. It's just incredible to read about, but really no more so than murder factories set up to commit genocide, which they also did.

Hitler's entire strategy hinged on conquering the western half of the Soviet Union. The plan after that was to systematically work and starve to death the entire population of European Russia, the Ukraine, and Poland. As the land emptied, it would be re-filled with German colonists. In another generation, these colonists would breed and raise to maturity an enormous nation of Germans, whom the Nazi ideology considered genetically superior. This super-Germany would then dominate the world.

If the Germans had won the war, and if the nation had held together after Hitler's death, we would have been faced with a Nazi Germany whose land area, resources, and population matched our own. This conflict would have come to a head in the 1960s or 1970s, most likely, as the new German generation came of age.

I'm well aware of Roosevelt's maneuvering and manipulation that provoked the Axis powers into attacking us. Given the overall realities, I'm inclined to excuse that. I'm also aware of the peace movement that kept us out of the war until we were attacked. I can't fault that, either. In almost all circumstances, peace is the right choice. World War II was one of the rare exceptions, however.

 

[JoeB131]

You guys are hopeless.

I, too, am thankful that World War II was an Allied victory. I know something about what the Nazis planned to do in the long run. It's just incredible to read about, but really no more so than murder factories set up to commit genocide, which they also did.

Hitler's entire strategy hinged on conquering the western half of the Soviet Union. The plan after that was to systematically work and starve to death the entire population of European Russia, the Ukraine, and Poland. As the land emptied, it would be re-filled with German colonists. In another generation, these colonists would breed and raise to maturity an enormous nation of Germans, whom the Nazi ideology considered genetically superior. This super-Germany would then dominate the world.

If the Germans had won the war, and if the nation had held together after Hitler's death, we would have been faced with a Nazi Germany whose land area, resources, and population matched our own. This conflict would have come to a head in the 1960s or 1970s, most likely, as the new German generation came of age.

I'm well aware of Roosevelt's maneuvering and manipulation that provoked the Axis powers into attacking us. Given the overall realities, I'm inclined to excuse that. I'm also aware of the peace movement that kept us out of the war until we were attacked. I can't fault that, either. In almost all circumstances, peace is the right choice. World War II was one of the rare exceptions, however.

If your father was serving on the USS Arizona, would you have forgiven FDR because involvement in the war was a noble thing...

Yeah, what the Nazis were doing in Europe was terrible. It also wasn't any of our business.

If the Germans had won the war, they'd have been in charge of an unweildy empire, just like the Soviets were, without nearly as many people to help keep it together. More likely, Germany's own people would have rid themselves of Hitler in due time. The man survived 42 assassination plots, his luck wasn't going to hold out forever.

FDR didn't lead us into war, he lied us into war. It's something you guys keep screaming that Bush did, even though we had a pretty thorough national debate about the Iraq war before, during and after it.

 

[spectrumc01]

You guys are hopeless.

I, too, am thankful that World War II was an Allied victory. I know something about what the Nazis planned to do in the long run. It's just incredible to read about, but really no more so than murder factories set up to commit genocide, which they also did.

Hitler's entire strategy hinged on conquering the western half of the Soviet Union. The plan after that was to systematically work and starve to death the entire population of European Russia, the Ukraine, and Poland. As the land emptied, it would be re-filled with German colonists. In another generation, these colonists would breed and raise to maturity an enormous nation of Germans, whom the Nazi ideology considered genetically superior. This super-Germany would then dominate the world.

If the Germans had won the war, and if the nation had held together after Hitler's death, we would have been faced with a Nazi Germany whose land area, resources, and population matched our own. This conflict would have come to a head in the 1960s or 1970s, most likely, as the new German generation came of age.

I'm well aware of Roosevelt's maneuvering and manipulation that provoked the Axis powers into attacking us. Given the overall realities, I'm inclined to excuse that. I'm also aware of the peace movement that kept us out of the war until we were attacked. I can't fault that, either. In almost all circumstances, peace is the right choice. World War II was one of the rare exceptions, however.

If your father was serving on the USS Arizona, would you have forgiven FDR because involvement in the war was a noble thing...

Yeah, what the Nazis were doing in Europe was terrible. It also wasn't any of our business.

If the Germans had won the war, they'd have been in charge of an unweildy empire, just like the Soviets were, without nearly as many people to help keep it together. More likely, Germany's own people would have rid themselves of Hitler in due time. The man survived 42 assassination plots, his luck wasn't going to hold out forever.

FDR didn't lead us into war, he lied us into war. It's something you guys keep screaming that Bush did, even though we had a pretty thorough national debate about the Iraq war before, during and after it.

The assumption it would have been too unweildy is false as the plan was to starve and eradicate the current population and replace them with Germans who were all on board with the plan. Yes I believe too, Hitler would have been assassinated. The individual who could be ruthless enough to get through Hitlers defenses would do it for the power, and quite possibly be even worse than Hitler. Yes, I agree that Bush did the same thing with the exception that Iraq had no intensions toword world domination like Hitler, and Sadams plan was very small scale comparatively.

 

[Poli_Sigh]

That I was born in this great country. Even though it has seen better days and ways, America still offers ideals of freedom, equality and prosperity unlike any other place on earth. It is indeed unfortunate that some calling themselves Americans ruthlessly used these ideals and their status purely for selfish purposes totally disregarding any adverse effect that might have on this nation and its people.

 

[bripat9643]

i'm greatful I know about the liberal resistance to WW2

Proves you know absolutely nothing about it. Who do you think FDR was...Dick Cheney

Roosevelt initiated the CCC, the WPA, the TVA, the RFD, social security, etc. which the Republicans have ranted about ever since.

Roosevelt was a Liberal's Liberal. There's a helluva difference in "fignting back" and making up 1000 lies about non existent weapons of mass destruction and traveling 10,000 miles across the planet to jump on a country which had done absolutely nothing to us except try to assassinate the president's daddy when he was in that country nearly a decade earlier.

FDR and Churchill practically forced the Japanese to attack us when they conspired to cut Japan off from any possible source of oil.

Roosevelt is no innocent choir boy.

 

[bripat9643]

That I was born in this great country. Even though it has seen better days and ways, America still offers ideals of freedom, equality and prosperity unlike any other place on earth. It is indeed unfortunate that some calling themselves Americans ruthlessly used these ideals and their status purely for selfish purposes totally disregarding any adverse effect that might have on this nation and its people.

What "selfish purposes" are you referring to?

 

[eots]

I am thankful for all this great land we stole

 

[Rozman]

I am thankful for all this great land we stole

Yeh me as well otherwise I would have ended up in Europe
which is about to go belly up before us.At least I might get another
year before Obama's failed policies destroys us all.

 

[Cammmpbell]

You guys are too easy. Anything and every bad thing which has happened to America is the fault of a Democrat. Why don't you jump in there and start undoing Bush's cutting taxes twice and beginning to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars each year from Comminist Chinese banks to fund them, starting two wars...one totally unecessary, doubling the national debt from $5.7 to nearly $12 trillion then wrecking the economy.....speaking of Herbert Hoover.

Not at all. It's a matter of history.

The Japanese did not attack us for shits and grins. The Japanese attacked us because we were cutting off key supplies, freezing their assets and arming their enemies.

Which is just dandy, I guess, if you want to start a war that the vast majority of your population is against.

Oh, and you're debt numbers are completely wrong guy. Bush inherited a debt of 7 Trillion and left with 10 trillion. Obama's run up more than that in three years.

Bull Shit Sherlock:

Total U S Debt

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 $907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 $826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 $771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 $698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 $620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 $533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 $475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 $458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 $427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 $398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 $370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 $353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 $347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 $326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 $319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 $317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 $311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 $305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 $298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 $288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 $286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 $284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 $276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 $270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 $272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 $274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 $271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 $266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 $259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 $255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 $257,357,352,351.04

 

[AVG-JOE]

I am thankful for all this great land we stole

I'm thankful the blood-line resulting in me survived the conquest.