Somebody tell Puerto Rico the feds are NOT first responders.

[ShootSpeeders]

Maybe those of you who think that Puerto Rico is a separate country should actually use your computers to find out about that place.

It is a US territory, and it's citizens are US citizens.

.

You can call them citizens but they can't vote for president and they don't pay income tax.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

That's part of it. Residents of states pay federal income tax. Residents of PR don't.

 

[Andylusion]

Maybe those of you who think that Puerto Rico is a separate country should actually use your computers to find out about that place.

It is a US territory, and it's citizens are US citizens.

Incidentally, more people per capita from Puerto Rico join the military than any other state.

Everyone knows that it is a US territory. But it is not a US state. Or we would call it..... a state. It would be the 'state of Puerto Rico'.

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

I think nearly every citizen of the US, has been through a disaster. I have. Several in my life. Not a single time, did I think it was some other person's 'duty' to fix my life.

It's funny to me how when a Tornado wipes out an individuals home, no one thinks to scream that it's the Federal governments job to fix every single individuals life, throughout the entire country.

And of course that would never happen simply because it would bankrupt the entire country. When James Madison, one of the founding fathers, and writers of our constitution, said that he could not find a single spot in the Charter of the Federal Government for taking money from the public, to give to specific groups... he made that statement in relation to a push in congress to give had to flood victims of his day.

The people who built this country, believed it was up to caring individuals to give money, time and resource, by their own free-will... to help others who were in need. Not the job of government. Because that is what charity is. Volunteering to help others, by choice. Not by the coercive force of government.

The only things that I have thought it was government's job to fix, are the very things the left does everything in it's power to stop government from doing.

Stopping terror attacks. Stopping and killing criminals. Protecting the country. I'd even put in there fixing roads and bridges, which if we cut the education blunders, the welfare give-outs, and health care crap, we would have more than enough to do those things, and have money left over.

So to directly answer your question, no. It's not the government job to help in Katrina, or Florida floods, or Puerto Rico.

Now local governments, yes. The government of Louisiana should be ready to help out. They exist in a hurricane zone. Simple minded prudence, suggests they should have had plans in place. So with Florida, or Puerto Rico.

But go look at Puerto Rico's budget. 1/3rd of the entire budget, is being blown on money losing state run companies. 1/3rd of the entire budget. Hey, you think maybe if they privatized those socialist run companies, and end of blowing money down the crapper, they instead used it for hurricane preparedness, they would be better off right now???

Huh.... yeah.... I think so. What do you think?

By the way, all you left-wing nuts that want our government to nationalize companies.... look how well that is working for Puerto Rico. Or actually, any nationalized company anywhere. They all suck.

 

[Faun]

Not a peep bout Obama when Joplin MO was destroyed or when Louisiana flooded badly. He did good! Trump is bad, very bad human.

I was there - on the Saturday before as well as the day following.
Feds were there, military and FEMA. We SAW them.

The feds were there???? HAHAHA. But what did they do to help out.?

First responding is handled locally, The feds come around later to make "loans" ( that are never paid back) to help rebuild.

And now the feds are in the business of sending the president of the United States to personally hand deliver rolls of paper towels.

 

[Faun]

Maybe those of you who think that Puerto Rico is a separate country should actually use your computers to find out about that place.

It is a US territory, and it's citizens are US citizens.

Incidentally, more people per capita from Puerto Rico join the military than any other state.

Everyone knows that it is a US territory. But it is not a US state. Or we would call it..... a state. It would be the 'state of Puerto Rico'.

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

I think nearly every citizen of the US, has been through a disaster. I have. Several in my life. Not a single time, did I think it was some other person's 'duty' to fix my life.

It's funny to me how when a Tornado wipes out an individuals home, no one thinks to scream that it's the Federal governments job to fix every single individuals life, throughout the entire country.

And of course that would never happen simply because it would bankrupt the entire country. When James Madison, one of the founding fathers, and writers of our constitution, said that he could not find a single spot in the Charter of the Federal Government for taking money from the public, to give to specific groups... he made that statement in relation to a push in congress to give had to flood victims of his day.

The people who built this country, believed it was up to caring individuals to give money, time and resource, by their own free-will... to help others who were in need. Not the job of government. Because that is what charity is. Volunteering to help others, by choice. Not by the coercive force of government.

The only things that I have thought it was government's job to fix, are the very things the left does everything in it's power to stop government from doing.

Stopping terror attacks. Stopping and killing criminals. Protecting the country. I'd even put in there fixing roads and bridges, which if we cut the education blunders, the welfare give-outs, and health care crap, we would have more than enough to do those things, and have money left over.

So to directly answer your question, no. It's not the government job to help in Katrina, or Florida floods, or Puerto Rico.

Now local governments, yes. The government of Louisiana should be ready to help out. They exist in a hurricane zone. Simple minded prudence, suggests they should have had plans in place. So with Florida, or Puerto Rico.

But go look at Puerto Rico's budget. 1/3rd of the entire budget, is being blown on money losing state run companies. 1/3rd of the entire budget. Hey, you think maybe if they privatized those socialist run companies, and end of blowing money down the crapper, they instead used it for hurricane preparedness, they would be better off right now???

Huh.... yeah.... I think so. What do you think?

By the way, all you left-wing nuts that want our government to nationalize companies.... look how well that is working for Puerto Rico. Or actually, any nationalized company anywhere. They all suck.

Fuck that. Hurricanes can be waaay more than a single state can effectively respond to. The federal government has far more resources to help out victims of the worst hurricanes that destroy communities.

 

[Faun]

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

That's part of it. Residents of states pay federal income tax. Residents of PR don't.

So what? Many Texans who were devastated by Harvey don’t pay federal income tax. Same with many Floridians who were devastated by Irma.

We don’t ask to see victims’ tax returns before providing them with aid.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The fact is that Puerto Rico was hit by a Cat 5 hurricane. Texas and Florida were not. Since Puerto Rico is a island, how do you prepare? You can't pre-position supplies on a island. All I read is a bunch of morons showing their hatred.

Texas got 50 inches of rain. PR did not.

Of course you can pre-positiion supplies on an island. Know what a warehouse is? PR should have packed some full of jugs of water and non-perishable food.

And the only hatred here is your hatred of the american taxpayer whom you insist should pay for PR's problems.

Are you really that stupid? Yes, you CAN pre position supplies on an island, but if those supplies are blown back into the sea, then where are you at?

Got news for you, there would have been no safe place to pre position supplies on that island. And, hate to tell you this as well, but the hurricane models all said that the whole island would have been devastated, and it was.

 

[busybee01]

When a disaster hits the first responding is done by the states as happened with texas and florida after monster hurricanes hit them. They had a PLAN and people ready to handle the catastrophe. But puerto rico and maria are like louisiana and katrina 12 years ago. No plan and now the media is blaming trump like they blamed bush in 2005.

You at a pea brain.

1. Puerto Rico is a island. That means there is no way to get out unlike Texas and Florida.
2. The hurricane that hit Puerto Rico was a Cat 4 hurricane. Florida and Texas did not get hit nearly as hard as Puerto Rico. The electric grid was completely destroyed. Communications on the island were all but destroyed.
3. The federal government has assets that can be useful in a disaster of this magnitude.

When you have devastation of this size the federal government should be the first responder. Do you object because Puerto Ricans are not white?

There is no way to get out. They don't have boats there. It's still mud huts, and cave men.

..... moron....

I suppose every Puerto Rican has a boat in their back yard.

MORON

 

[busybee01]

The fact is that Puerto Rico was hit by a Cat 5 hurricane. Texas and Florida were not. Since Puerto Rico is a island, how do you prepare? You can't pre-position supplies on a island. All I read is a bunch of morons showing their hatred.

Yeah, we do hate. We hate stupidity. When I read stupidity being spewed by morons, I tend to get annoyed by it. We should be smarter than this, and clearly some are not.

You hate stupidity but make stupid comments.

 

[busybee01]

Maybe those of you who think that Puerto Rico is a separate country should actually use your computers to find out about that place.

It is a US territory, and it's citizens are US citizens.

Incidentally, more people per capita from Puerto Rico join the military than any other state.

Everyone knows that it is a US territory. But it is not a US state. Or we would call it..... a state. It would be the 'state of Puerto Rico'.

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

I think nearly every citizen of the US, has been through a disaster. I have. Several in my life. Not a single time, did I think it was some other person's 'duty' to fix my life.

It's funny to me how when a Tornado wipes out an individuals home, no one thinks to scream that it's the Federal governments job to fix every single individuals life, throughout the entire country.

And of course that would never happen simply because it would bankrupt the entire country. When James Madison, one of the founding fathers, and writers of our constitution, said that he could not find a single spot in the Charter of the Federal Government for taking money from the public, to give to specific groups... he made that statement in relation to a push in congress to give had to flood victims of his day.

The people who built this country, believed it was up to caring individuals to give money, time and resource, by their own free-will... to help others who were in need. Not the job of government. Because that is what charity is. Volunteering to help others, by choice. Not by the coercive force of government.

The only things that I have thought it was government's job to fix, are the very things the left does everything in it's power to stop government from doing.

Stopping terror attacks. Stopping and killing criminals. Protecting the country. I'd even put in there fixing roads and bridges, which if we cut the education blunders, the welfare give-outs, and health care crap, we would have more than enough to do those things, and have money left over.

So to directly answer your question, no. It's not the government job to help in Katrina, or Florida floods, or Puerto Rico.

Now local governments, yes. The government of Louisiana should be ready to help out. They exist in a hurricane zone. Simple minded prudence, suggests they should have had plans in place. So with Florida, or Puerto Rico.

But go look at Puerto Rico's budget. 1/3rd of the entire budget, is being blown on money losing state run companies. 1/3rd of the entire budget. Hey, you think maybe if they privatized those socialist run companies, and end of blowing money down the crapper, they instead used it for hurricane preparedness, they would be better off right now???

Huh.... yeah.... I think so. What do you think?

By the way, all you left-wing nuts that want our government to nationalize companies.... look how well that is working for Puerto Rico. Or actually, any nationalized company anywhere. They all suck.

There has never been a disaster that has wiped out the entire country. There is no way that 95% of this country would have no power. If a tornado hit 1 area then the surrounding areas would be able to help. If you are trying to flee a hurricane in Florida, you can drive to a surrounding state.

Puerto Rico does not have that option. You can't drive into the ocean. There are a limited number of flights out. 95% of the electricity was knocked out. The nearest neighbors are hundreds of miles away.

 

[Slyhunter]

Maybe those of you who think that Puerto Rico is a separate country should actually use your computers to find out about that place.

It is a US territory, and it's citizens are US citizens.

Incidentally, more people per capita from Puerto Rico join the military than any other state.

Everyone knows that it is a US territory. But it is not a US state. Or we would call it..... a state. It would be the 'state of Puerto Rico'.

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

I think nearly every citizen of the US, has been through a disaster. I have. Several in my life. Not a single time, did I think it was some other person's 'duty' to fix my life.

It's funny to me how when a Tornado wipes out an individuals home, no one thinks to scream that it's the Federal governments job to fix every single individuals life, throughout the entire country.

And of course that would never happen simply because it would bankrupt the entire country. When James Madison, one of the founding fathers, and writers of our constitution, said that he could not find a single spot in the Charter of the Federal Government for taking money from the public, to give to specific groups... he made that statement in relation to a push in congress to give had to flood victims of his day.

The people who built this country, believed it was up to caring individuals to give money, time and resource, by their own free-will... to help others who were in need. Not the job of government. Because that is what charity is. Volunteering to help others, by choice. Not by the coercive force of government.

The only things that I have thought it was government's job to fix, are the very things the left does everything in it's power to stop government from doing.

Stopping terror attacks. Stopping and killing criminals. Protecting the country. I'd even put in there fixing roads and bridges, which if we cut the education blunders, the welfare give-outs, and health care crap, we would have more than enough to do those things, and have money left over.

So to directly answer your question, no. It's not the government job to help in Katrina, or Florida floods, or Puerto Rico.

Now local governments, yes. The government of Louisiana should be ready to help out. They exist in a hurricane zone. Simple minded prudence, suggests they should have had plans in place. So with Florida, or Puerto Rico.

But go look at Puerto Rico's budget. 1/3rd of the entire budget, is being blown on money losing state run companies. 1/3rd of the entire budget. Hey, you think maybe if they privatized those socialist run companies, and end of blowing money down the crapper, they instead used it for hurricane preparedness, they would be better off right now???

Huh.... yeah.... I think so. What do you think?

By the way, all you left-wing nuts that want our government to nationalize companies.... look how well that is working for Puerto Rico. Or actually, any nationalized company anywhere. They all suck.

There has never been a disaster that has wiped out the entire country. There is no way that 95% of this country would have no power. If a tornado hit 1 area then the surrounding areas would be able to help. If you are trying to flee a hurricane in Florida, you can drive to a surrounding state.

Puerto Rico does not have that option. You can't drive into the ocean. There are a limited number of flights out. 95% of the electricity was knocked out. The nearest neighbors are hundreds of miles away.

Boats work.

 

[rightwinger]

The Feds will throw you paper towels

 

[Andylusion]

Maybe those of you who think that Puerto Rico is a separate country should actually use your computers to find out about that place.

It is a US territory, and it's citizens are US citizens.

Incidentally, more people per capita from Puerto Rico join the military than any other state.

Everyone knows that it is a US territory. But it is not a US state. Or we would call it..... a state. It would be the 'state of Puerto Rico'.

And the people of PR are US citizens who have been through a disaster. Doesn't the US government have an obligation to US citizens?

Or, is it only if they are a US citizen in a US state?

I think nearly every citizen of the US, has been through a disaster. I have. Several in my life. Not a single time, did I think it was some other person's 'duty' to fix my life.

It's funny to me how when a Tornado wipes out an individuals home, no one thinks to scream that it's the Federal governments job to fix every single individuals life, throughout the entire country.

And of course that would never happen simply because it would bankrupt the entire country. When James Madison, one of the founding fathers, and writers of our constitution, said that he could not find a single spot in the Charter of the Federal Government for taking money from the public, to give to specific groups... he made that statement in relation to a push in congress to give had to flood victims of his day.

The people who built this country, believed it was up to caring individuals to give money, time and resource, by their own free-will... to help others who were in need. Not the job of government. Because that is what charity is. Volunteering to help others, by choice. Not by the coercive force of government.

The only things that I have thought it was government's job to fix, are the very things the left does everything in it's power to stop government from doing.

Stopping terror attacks. Stopping and killing criminals. Protecting the country. I'd even put in there fixing roads and bridges, which if we cut the education blunders, the welfare give-outs, and health care crap, we would have more than enough to do those things, and have money left over.

So to directly answer your question, no. It's not the government job to help in Katrina, or Florida floods, or Puerto Rico.

Now local governments, yes. The government of Louisiana should be ready to help out. They exist in a hurricane zone. Simple minded prudence, suggests they should have had plans in place. So with Florida, or Puerto Rico.

But go look at Puerto Rico's budget. 1/3rd of the entire budget, is being blown on money losing state run companies. 1/3rd of the entire budget. Hey, you think maybe if they privatized those socialist run companies, and end of blowing money down the crapper, they instead used it for hurricane preparedness, they would be better off right now???

Huh.... yeah.... I think so. What do you think?

By the way, all you left-wing nuts that want our government to nationalize companies.... look how well that is working for Puerto Rico. Or actually, any nationalized company anywhere. They all suck.

Fuck that. Hurricanes can be waaay more than a single state can effectively respond to. The federal government has far more resources to help out victims of the worst hurricanes that destroy communities.

First off, they don't. I don't know why you don't know this.... FEMA has ZERO resources. Did you know that? ZERO.

NONE. FEMA only coordinates the resources that the state has. You really didn't know that?

And honestly, more aid comes from the private sector, and individuals (often religious individuals), than government anyway. I was reading from the American Red Cross, that a rough estimate of $2 Billion dollars worth of aid was supplied after Katrina. FEMA only covered a massive $100,000 of it. The rest was all private citizens, and private companies.

One of the stats I always laughed at, was FEMA put out that they served 1.9 Million MREs (provided by the states) during their entire operation after Katrina.

Sounds impressive. 1.9 Million MREs! Nice! How helpful.

Did you know that just the Salvation Army..... one of those crazy Christian Religious groups..... just the Salvation Army ALONE.... served over 2 Million meals by September 30th? It wasn't even over yet, and it served more meals than FEMA.... BY ITSELF. Oh and ever had an MRE? yum yum.... much better than a hot cooked meal.

Let's not even mention the American Red Cross which deployed several times as much to Katrina aid, including 40,000 volunteers. Do you know how many Coast Guard were deployed? 500. Do you know how many national guard troops were deployed to Katrina? 10,000.

So the Red Cross deployed 4 times as many people to help at Katrina, than the Federal government, and states. And we're not including all the other charity organizations that pitched in.

Oh and by the way, we're ignoring the fact that the governments prevented private charities from helping. The Red Cross was banned from operating in New Orleans. Private boats with supplies were refused docking along the coast by the Coast Guard. Companies leased planes and helicopters to go in and rescue people at their locations, both employees and refugees that were with them, only to be refused entry into the disaster zone by government.

In one place, the people at several hotels all chipped in to charter buses to come get them. The buses were stopped and commandeered by the FEMA before they could enter the city.

So not only did private individuals, and private organizations, and private companies supply a vastly larger amount of aid than government.... but they did so while government was actively hindering them.

In fact, a charity that I support right now, is active in Puerto Rico right now.

That's the real answer. It's not some nimrod bureaucrat in Washington. It's the religious and charitable organizations of average people, giving of their own money, time, and resources by CHOICE, not by the force of some idiotic left-wing moron that only demands others help, but never does diddly jack himself.

 

[Andylusion]

The fact is that Puerto Rico was hit by a Cat 5 hurricane. Texas and Florida were not. Since Puerto Rico is a island, how do you prepare? You can't pre-position supplies on a island. All I read is a bunch of morons showing their hatred.

Yeah, we do hate. We hate stupidity. When I read stupidity being spewed by morons, I tend to get annoyed by it. We should be smarter than this, and clearly some are not.

You hate stupidity but make stupid comments.

And we also hate people who have nothing to add, but claim others are making stupid comments. If you have nothing at all to add to this discussion, then do yourself a favor and find a youtube channel to watch. At least you won't be wasting our time with empty pointless posts.