Some People Want The Confederate Flag To Stay

[MissileMan]

You're spitting in a stiff wind, my friend. Flap the stars 'n bars in Harlem and see how far your explanation about how "the Klan" stole it from righteous non-racists like you gets you.

What, exactly, is your problem with the right of whites to exist?

Why does everything have to be about race with you? Is it jealousy of others' family trees? Do you see people whose family tree is full of many branches or multi-racial people whose family tree has more than one trunk and wonder to yourself why yours bears a striking resemblance to a telephone pole? The fact that you can trace your lineage back through several generations of brother and sister in no way gives you more right to call yourself an American. Get over yourself.

 

[William Joyce]

Why does everything have to be about race with you? Is it jealousy of others' family trees? Do you see people whose family tree is full of many branches or multi-racial people whose family tree has more than one trunk and wonder to yourself why yours bears a striking resemblance to a telephone pole? The fact that you can trace your lineage back through several generations of brother and sister in no way gives you more right to call yourself an American. Get over yourself.

Read this story.

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050706/NEWS02/507060339/1018

Then explain to me why whites shouldn't be concerned about what's happening to them in this country.

 

[Bonnie]

Let's face it, 99% of the people believe the Civil War was about Slavery. Not that ending it wasn't a good by-product, but it wasn't the only or even main issue at the time, at least for the leadership of both sides.

Your right it really was about states rights and the south fearing Lincoln would intrude on those rights. But like you said the brightest by-product form all that bloodshed was abolishon.

 

[MissileMan]

Read this story.

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050706/NEWS02/507060339/1018

Then explain to me why whites shouldn't be concerned about what's happening to them in this country.

Everyone should be concerned about what's happening in this country, not just whites. Crime doesn't happen to just white people. I suppose those white guys who dragged the black man behind a truck in Texas were merely trying to give him a ride home, but the bed was full.

 

[5stringJeff]

What, exactly, is your problem with the right of whites to exist?

So now taking the Confederate Battle Flag back from the KKK endangers the Holy Pure Aryan White Race?!? :rotflmao:

Welcome to La-La-Land. Population: you.

 

[GotZoom]

So now taking the Confederate Battle Flag back from the KKK endangers the Holy Pure Aryan White Race?!? :rotflmao:

Welcome to La-La-Land. Population: you.

I kind of understand what he is staying. It isn't so much the Confederate Battel Flag but the whole idea that if something that is a part of "White" (and the U.S.) history offends a certain race (not just African-Americans), the it must be replaced or removed. U.S. (and "White") history must make changed to accomodate every other race who might be offended at something.

Memphis is going through this right now with some statues of Confederate Generals. There is a park with a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who by some historian accounts, was the most brilliant cavalryman of the Civil War. Well, he was also one of the early leaders of the KKK. Therefore, many African-Americans want his statue and every reference to him in Memphis schools to be removed.

 

[Merlin]

The South fought for states' rights, indeed. But you don't just fight for states' rights as an abstract concept; they were fighting for their states' right to enslave other people. Hence, yes, they were fighting [for their right] to hold slaves.

The Northerners weren't an 'enlightened' people, they were a people with common sense. The South fought to keep slaves (laying down their lives) because their lives and their economy was supportedly entirely by the institution of slavery. They weren't evil, they just weren't willing to make the sacrifice (picking their own damn cotton) to do the right thing (not enslave people).

This same subject was brought up in another post a while back. And yes, they do still teach garbage like this in some schools. Slavery and freeing the slaves were the furthermost thing on anyones mind when the war of the States started. President Buchanan wanted to free the slaves and the supreme court ruled that he couldn't take anyones property without due process, so he just let it drop. Before he decided to run for President, Lincoln was asked his feelings on slavery. He said he had none either way. As he was running for President he was asked again at a speech he was giving. He dodged the question by saying "all men were created equal",etc,etc. After he became President and he saw the United States was going deep in dept, he and Congress wanted to take over all of the souths economy and especially all the ports. The south didn't want that and started secession procedures. He assured the south that he wouldn't try to free the slaves if they didn't secede. Well, they did secede and the war started. Two years into the war, the subject of slavery got brought up again and as punishment, he started to try to free the slaves. The supreme court wouldn't let him. But on Jan. 1, 1865 he went ahead and made his famous Emancipation Declaration speech anyway. Everyone ignored it though because it was an illegal act by a President. Congress was contemplating impeachment when he was killed on April 14, 1865.
Proposal and Ratification

The thirteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States was proposed to the legislatures of the several States by the Thirty-eighth Congress, on the 31st day of January, 1865, and was declared, in a proclamation of the Secretary of State, dated the 18th of December, 1865, to have been ratified by the legislatures of twenty-seven of the thirty-six States. The dates of ratification were: Illinois, February 1, 1865; Rhode Island, February 2, 1865; Michigan, February 2, 1865; Maryland, February 3, 1865; New York, February 3, 1865; Pennsylvania, February 3, 1865; West Virginia, February 3, 1865; Missouri, February 6, 1865; Maine, February 7, 1865; Kansas, February 7, 1865; Massachusetts, February 7, 1865; Virginia, February 9, 1865; Ohio, February 10, 1865; Indiana, February 13, 1865; Nevada, February 16, 1865; Louisiana, February 17, 1865; Minnesota, February 23, 1865; Wisconsin, February 24, 1865; Vermont, March 9, 1865; Tennessee, April 7, 1865; Arkansas, April 14, 1865; Connecticut, May 4, 1865; New Hampshire, July 1, 1865; South Carolina, November 13, 1865; Alabama, December 2, 1865; North Carolina, December 4, 1865; Georgia, December 6, 1865.

Ratification was completed on December 6, 1865.
That means that Lincoln was dead 8 months before the slaves were finally freed. He did a lot of good things while President, but having compassion for the slaves was a politically helpful after thought.

 

[Hobbit]

This same subject was brought up in another post a while back. And yes, they do still teach garbage like this in some schools. Slavery and freeing the slaves were the furthermost thing on anyones mind when the war of the States started. President Buchanan wanted to free the slaves and the supreme court ruled that he couldn't take anyones property without due process, so he just let it drop. Before he decided to run for President, Lincoln was asked his feelings on slavery. He said he had none either way. As he was running for President he was asked again at a speech he was giving. He dodged the question by saying "all men were created equal",etc,etc. After he became President and he saw the United States was going deep in dept, he and Congress wanted to take over all of the souths economy and especially all the ports. The south didn't want that and started secession procedures. He assured the south that he wouldn't try to free the slaves if they didn't secede. Well, they did secede and the war started. Two years into the war, the subject of slavery got brought up again and as punishment, he started to try to free the slaves. The supreme court wouldn't let him. But on Jan. 1, 1865 he went ahead and made his famous Emancipation Declaration speech anyway. Everyone ignored it though because it was an illegal act by a President. Congress was contemplating impeachment when he was killed on April 14, 1865.
Proposal and Ratification

The thirteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States was proposed to the legislatures of the several States by the Thirty-eighth Congress, on the 31st day of January, 1865, and was declared, in a proclamation of the Secretary of State, dated the 18th of December, 1865, to have been ratified by the legislatures of twenty-seven of the thirty-six States. The dates of ratification were: Illinois, February 1, 1865; Rhode Island, February 2, 1865; Michigan, February 2, 1865; Maryland, February 3, 1865; New York, February 3, 1865; Pennsylvania, February 3, 1865; West Virginia, February 3, 1865; Missouri, February 6, 1865; Maine, February 7, 1865; Kansas, February 7, 1865; Massachusetts, February 7, 1865; Virginia, February 9, 1865; Ohio, February 10, 1865; Indiana, February 13, 1865; Nevada, February 16, 1865; Louisiana, February 17, 1865; Minnesota, February 23, 1865; Wisconsin, February 24, 1865; Vermont, March 9, 1865; Tennessee, April 7, 1865; Arkansas, April 14, 1865; Connecticut, May 4, 1865; New Hampshire, July 1, 1865; South Carolina, November 13, 1865; Alabama, December 2, 1865; North Carolina, December 4, 1865; Georgia, December 6, 1865.

Ratification was completed on December 6, 1865.
That means that Lincoln was dead 8 months before the slaves were finally freed. He did a lot of good things while President, but having compassion for the slaves was a politically helpful after thought.

Very nice, but I'd like to add one more hole to NE's argument. Only 3% of Confederate soldiers even owned slaves. You don't lay down your life for a right you don't enjoy. What they were fighting for was independance from a federal government that wanted to exploit them for every penny they were worth. They were fighting for the right to live their own lives without Northern interferance.