Some of the most Patriotic Americans I know are "Muslim"

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    They have no wish to convert anyone. Their idea of a heretic is of one that persecutes or punishes them for no reason. Their perception of freedom is to be allowed to go about their lives and earning a living without interference or excessive taxation by their government. Their love for their children, their country, the USA is equal to my own. Some of you cats just ain't exposed to enough truth. You don't know your own neighborhood. Get out there and get yourselves an education, for your own and your country's good!!!!!!!!!
     
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    A heretic is someone who is labeled so because orthodox or conservative leaders percieve them to be twisting the faith into something it is not.

    In western society, catholicism, these 'heretics' were actually reformists who sought to change the established practice of religion. Martin Luther would be an example. Your friends are 'heretics' to be patriots to the US and I mean that in the sense that I believe they are contradicting the established schools of Islam by embracing western government. I think they have many friends in Iran who feel about the same.
     
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    OK,,,,,,,,your point being? What is a shool? Are "catholics" heretics? I don't think my friends are heretics at all but I think any hater that distorts the words of Jesus and is quick to call others "heretics" is indeed a heretic themself.
     
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    Thanks for the spell check :)

    A heretic may be of any religion, though he is labelled a heretic by the clerics of his religion on the grounds that the person has consciously chosen to abandon some of the rules set by the religion's institution.
     
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    A heretic is not necessarily negative in connotation.
     
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    I don't think that the majority of people in this country believe muslims, as a whole, to be bad people. I live in the largest city in the country and I have never met someone who didn't understand that the muslims who are trying to kill us are the renegades and have perverted the koran.

    Muhammad ali is one of the most famous muslims in the country and I doubt most people aren't aware of his conscientious objector status.

    Just as it's easy to characterize any white people who don't agree with all one's beliefs as racist or crackers or whatever else I've been referred to as on this board just because I am a conservative, it's just as easy for people to call the enemy muslim. What they should be saying is the enemy is the enemy.
     
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    I think you make the best point, Moi. It's easy to characterize a particular religion, race or ethnicity to be something other than what it actually is. Where we should concentrate our war efforts is on the enemies of us, Americans. They are out there and even here as well. They know no particular religion, race or ethnicity despite their claims to the contrary. They are zealots of whatever fundamentalism they believe in and they don't take diversity well.

    I would give my life as a soldier fighting for the rights of a muslim American as soon as I would a christian American or an atheist American. In my time in the war zones I never considered anything other than getting the bastards that were trying to kill me, personally. That's it and I don't know of another GI that considered anything else either. Again, I'm delving off into a subject probably too involved for most to keep up with. But I speak the truth.
     
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    the life of mohammad presented in the hadiths is a model for muslims on how to live there lives if they wish to follow the example of mohammad.what you will find is a life filled with violence,theft,torture,assainations,rape,murder,pedophilia,war,human slave trade etc...people just don't take the time to read and investigate or they would find there was really 2 mohammads, the pre-power mohammad and the post-power mohammad it all comes down to which one you prefer.this also explains why you get entirely 2 different kind of muslims.another reason is alot of muslims are like easter and christmas christians who seldom read there bibles.do you even know what a fundamentalist is?it is someone who interprets literally and is more likely to study and practice there faith more rigidly than non-fundamentalists.while fundamentalist christians tend to live a christ like life fundamentalist muslims tend to live a mohammad like life.so when a christian commits an act of violence it is in direct opposition to both the new testament and the life of christ but when a muslim commits an act of violence he can find justification in both the koran(remember earlier i talked about the changing mohammad there are an even greater number of verses dealing with violence against the unbeliever) and the life of mohammad which puts great perspective on the koran(why do you think the islamic world wanted salaman rushdie dead).i leave you with this-And as they went,they entered a village of the samaritans,to prepare for him.but they did not recieve him,because his face was set for the journey to jerusalem.and when his desciples james and john saw this,they said,"lord,do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them,just as elijah did?but he turned and rebuked them,and said,"you do not know what manner of spirit you are of.for the son of man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them.and they went to another village.
    what would mohammad have done?
     
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    The last I saw there are less than 4 million Muslims in this country..
    I live in Oklahoma and there is a large contingent of Muslims here.. But I doubt they are MOST PATRIOTIC... Islam has a real cancer and NONE of their leaders will acknowledge this... Patriotic? Hell most of them are here cuz of the Shah's fall in Iran not because they love this country...
     
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    i have to call bush out on him calling islam a"peaceful religion".
    either bush is misleading people in an effort to get votes(he is lying) or he has not spent very much time or any time to know if this is true and is just telling us what someone told him(he should not be making uninformed statements as fact trying to appear as if he has researched this thouroughly) or he is afraid if he tells the truth it will lead to violence(against muslims and fuel the terrorist to commit more acts of terrorism against the u.s.).
    am i wrong?since i have read the koran and hadiths and knowing any open-minded person to do so would say it is not peaceful and history has proven that.or he is just not smart enough to understand the koran and hadiths.what do you think of this?
     

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