Some facts about "Church and State" and why the ACLU and liberals are wrong.

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    1. The US Constitution when dated includes the phrase: "In the year of our Lord"
    2. The US Constitution does not say anything against prohibiting religion in politics anywhere.
    3. Thomas Jefferson WHILE serving as President was the Super Intendent of the DC Schools and included Bible reading in the cirriculum(The same man that wrote the letter that first used the phrase "Church and State")
    4. ALL State Constitutions in the preamble or somewhere within thank God at some point for our civil liberties and freedom, a REQUIREMENT for statehood signed into law by George Washington.
    5. In 1983 the Senate DEMOCRATS passed a bill recognizing the year as the year of the Bible. Reagan signed it.

    There's more examples but there's a few. The first amendment only prohibits the CREATION of a STATE RELIGION via a law.
     
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    Not so fast there buddy, laws are interpreted as intended. Perhaps you should READ the Establishment Clauses history before jumping the gun to a post like this.

    Everson v. Board of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cantwell v. Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    The Establishment Clause exists because religious people wanted it to exist. It's there to protect your religion from harming others and vice versa. It has been established that neither the state nor the federal government may make laws or tax for the purposes of religion.
     
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    Read the Establishment Clause. Specifically the "Congress shall make no law..." So if it violated that clause then what law did Congress make that ESTABLISHED a religion?
     
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    I have read it, you apparently have not. I've also read extensively into the court cases it's been applied too. In ALL decisions it has been upheld as a complete separation between Church and State.


     
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    Fisher Ames, Representative of Massachusetts of the first Congress provided the actual WORDING of the establishment clause and the first amendment. He is quoted as saying:

    "Why... should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the sacred book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and, probably, if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."

    Why do you believe some bullshit court ruling nearly 200 years after the fact, rather then the VERY WORDS of the man who wrote it? The court has bastardized original intent.
     
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    They used to drain their blood when ill as well, so maybe following their examples isn't the most prudent exercise.
     
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    Not sure why are are arguing against it. It was established by religious people to protect them from the state. Learn history.
     
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    all of the PRIMARY sources back up my argument. find me one PRIMARY source that backs up yours. please. the clause only prohibits congress and the federal government from creating a law that establishes state religion. It does not mean you can't talk about God in schools, it does not mean you can't invoke prayer on public property, etc. If it is, show the primary source, not some secondary "interpretation."
     
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    Okay...so let's institute Sharia Law...

    :rolleyes:

    Seriously though...what exactly are you advocating for?
     

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