Socialists Don't Realize That We Also Dream...

[Freedomfan1776]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

 

[VaYank5150]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

Is this the same Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens?

 

[Freedomfan1776]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

Is this the same Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens?

Yes, and you raise an interesting point which is not really relevant to the conversation I was trying to start. However, since you raised the issue I will comment. It is my opinion that most are not concerned with the fact that there are immigrants in this country, the anger stems from the fact that there are many using the illegal aliens as a political football. People are annoyed that their kids are forced to take Spanish classes, more and more signs are in Spanish, people are acquitted because they were not read their rights in their native language, and the apparent pandering to these individuals appears to many as illegals trying to change the country instead of trying to be an active part of the country which exists. The way in which many of our ancestors did. One of the unique things about America in the past, but is trying to be changed by those who want a steady voting block, was that someone could look at another at the end of their life and not know where on the economic scale or country they started from.

 

[VaYank5150]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

Is this the same Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens?

Yes, and you raise an interesting point which is not really relevant to the conversation I was trying to start. However, since you raised the issue I will comment. It is my opinion that most are not concerned with the fact that there are immigrants in this country, the anger stems from the fact that there are many using the illegal aliens as a political football. People are annoyed that their kids are forced to take Spanish classes, more and more signs are in Spanish, people are acquitted because they were not read their rights in their native language, and the apparent pandering to these individuals appears to many as illegals trying to change the country instead of trying to be an active part of the country which exists. The way in which many of our ancestors did. One of the unique things about America in the past, but is trying to be changed by those who want a steady voting block, was that someone could look at another at the end of their life and not know where on the economic scale or country they started from.

Personally, I believe most people and especially conservatives (Reagan is held in high regard by many conservatives) are most upset with the fact that we do not know for certain how much tax revenue is lost to illegal aliens not paying taxes, while we do have many studies showing how much we are paying for them being here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is the same Reagan, who when talking about Iran Contra, said, "I don't recall." Shortly thereafter, God made sure he could not recall anything. No, government is not always the problem, and, yes, at times, it has better solutions than business.

 

[Freedomfan1776]

This is the same Reagan, who when talking about Iran Contra, said, "I don't recall." Shortly thereafter, God made sure he could not recall anything. No, government is not always the problem, and, yes, at times, it has better solutions than business.

To be perfectly honest with you, I do not know the full details of the Iran Contra situation. However, it is my understanding that President Reagan was not a willing participant in the affair, it was his staff. Granted, one might make the case that the President should have full control over his staff, however, unless he is an authoritarian it is impossible to keep tabs on every single person and every action they take.

Nonetheless, my point in posting Mr. Reagan's video was not to discuss Reagan's administration per say, but rather to see what people thought about his message. Again, this commentary was made before he was even running.

 

[Flopper]

Is this the same Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens?

Yes, and you raise an interesting point which is not really relevant to the conversation I was trying to start. However, since you raised the issue I will comment. It is my opinion that most are not concerned with the fact that there are immigrants in this country, the anger stems from the fact that there are many using the illegal aliens as a political football. People are annoyed that their kids are forced to take Spanish classes, more and more signs are in Spanish, people are acquitted because they were not read their rights in their native language, and the apparent pandering to these individuals appears to many as illegals trying to change the country instead of trying to be an active part of the country which exists. The way in which many of our ancestors did. One of the unique things about America in the past, but is trying to be changed by those who want a steady voting block, was that someone could look at another at the end of their life and not know where on the economic scale or country they started from.

Personally, I believe most people and especially conservatives (Reagan is held in high regard by many conservatives) are most upset with the fact that we do not know for certain how much tax revenue is lost to illegal aliens not paying taxes, while we do have many studies showing how much we are paying for them being here.

Many illegal aliens work in legitimate businesses that withhold payroll taxes and social security. Most of them do not file tax returns so they do not get refunds even though they would probably be due a refund. They also will never received any benefit from the withheld social security taxes. But since they are undocumented we will never know for sure how much they pay or don't pay. Considering how divided the parties are on the immigration issues, I doubt that anything other than a longer wall is going to change.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is the same Reagan, who when talking about Iran Contra, said, "I don't recall." Shortly thereafter, God made sure he could not recall anything. No, government is not always the problem, and, yes, at times, it has better solutions than business.

To be perfectly honest with you, I do not know the full details of the Iran Contra situation. However, it is my understanding that President Reagan was not a willing participant in the affair, it was his staff. Granted, one might make the case that the President should have full control over his staff, however, unless he is an authoritarian it is impossible to keep tabs on every single person and every action they take.

Nonetheless, my point in posting Mr. Reagan's video was not to discuss Reagan's administration per say, but rather to see what people thought about his message. Again, this commentary was made before he was even running.

His message, as we have seen in the culmination of 12 years of a Republican Congress with an acquiescent Clinton and Bush, was imperfect in its execution. We live in the midst of that message today.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is the same Reagan, who when talking about Iran Contra, said, "I don't recall." Shortly thereafter, God made sure he could not recall anything. No, government is not always the problem, and, yes, at times, it has better solutions than business.

Shows up in time to defend Socialism.

I never saw that coming.

It that new center to centrist Republicanism?

 

[Flopper]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

The predominate economic system in the world today is a blend of regulated capitalism and socialism. A system totally devoid of socialist or capitalist ideals would be a sorry place to live. We have seen how big a failure the USSR was and we have also seen the terrible social problems that arose from a capitalist system devoid of all social programs in the 19th century. It is the proper balance that we should strive for.

The picture that Reagan paints of a large segment of society who's goal is to live off the government is a myth, a popular one but still a myth. I have worked for a number of months in a low income neighborhoods. My wife worked for many years in a food bank. I have a neighbor who worked for DHS for 30 years. From everything I know about people on welfare, I can say I have never met anyone who would rather be on welfare than work. Republicans have beat the drum for years to cut welfare because they believe those on welfare will find jobs if we just stop the welfare payments. Then the questions are asked. What happens to the millions that are disabled? How are the single mothers to find a job when there is no money for child care? What happens to 8 million kids in foster care and institutions? The questions go on, but there no answers. Welfare should be reformed but not the Reagan way.

Free markets are a vital part of our economy and will remain so as are social programs.

 

[Political Junky]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

Is this the same Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens?

Yes, that's the same Ronald Reagan.

 

[Avatar4321]

Id rather put my faith in God.

 

[Dr Grump]

How come so many Yanks put their faith in 200 year old dead people. Then again, most of them do the same with a 2000 year old dead person, too....

 

[veritas]

How come so many Yanks put their faith in 200 year old dead people. Then again, most of them do the same with a 2000 year old dead person, too....

Those 200 year old dead people told me the righties are batshit crayzee and wish they would stop mangling their words and taking them completely out of context.

I don't talk to the other dude.

 

[Dr Grump]

Where have you been?

 

[Mr. H.]

Id rather put my faith in God.

Well that lets you off the hook doesn't it?

 

[Freedomfan1776]

This is one of the fundamental things which distinguishes those who put their faith in government, as opposed to those who put their faith in the individual.

Ronald Reagan elucidated this point in a radio commentary he made before he became President. If you would like to see it, here is the link: ‘They Don’t Understand That We Also Dream’… - Obamacare Fail

The predominate economic system in the world today is a blend of regulated capitalism and socialism. A system totally devoid of socialist or capitalist ideals would be a sorry place to live. We have seen how big a failure the USSR was and we have also seen the terrible social problems that arose from a capitalist system devoid of all social programs in the 19th century. It is the proper balance that we should strive for.

The picture that Reagan paints of a large segment of society who's goal is to live off the government is a myth, a popular one but still a myth. I have worked for a number of months in a low income neighborhoods. My wife worked for many years in a food bank. I have a neighbor who worked for DHS for 30 years. From everything I know about people on welfare, I can say I have never met anyone who would rather be on welfare than work. Republicans have beat the drum for years to cut welfare because they believe those on welfare will find jobs if we just stop the welfare payments. Then the questions are asked. What happens to the millions that are disabled? How are the single mothers to find a job when there is no money for child care? What happens to 8 million kids in foster care and institutions? The questions go on, but there no answers. Welfare should be reformed but not the Reagan way.

Free markets are a vital part of our economy and will remain so as are social programs.

I tend to agree with a large portion of what you say. I do not believe that Ronald Reagan would have advocated a complete removal of programs to help the individuals you described. But that is a pointless conversation to have because the man is not even alive so I will not put words in his mouth. I can only speak for myself. And the direction of free society as espoused by Ronald Reagan is much more appealing to me than the direction which we are currently marching down. The ultimate end of the road we are on is an omnipotent government with the ability to do whatever it wishes to whomever it wishes. That is not congruent with our Constitution, which each and every member of Congress swore to uphold.

 

[Douger]

It's a stretch but here's some reading for you murkins.
Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela | venezuelanalysis.com

 

[Freedomfan1776]

I may have posted this quote on another thread, but for those of you who missed it, famous 19th economist Frederic Bastiat proclaimed:
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Though the idea was loosely understood when he was alive, the truth is that he was describing those who believe in a socialist form of government.

 

[midcan5]

Funny I was just thinking of individuals, bernie madoff, ken lay, jack the ripper....

Add some more, please.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/opinion/16horn.html