Socialists Don't Realize That We Also Dream...

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    Is this the same Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens?
     
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    Yes, and you raise an interesting point which is not really relevant to the conversation I was trying to start. However, since you raised the issue I will comment. It is my opinion that most are not concerned with the fact that there are immigrants in this country, the anger stems from the fact that there are many using the illegal aliens as a political football. People are annoyed that their kids are forced to take Spanish classes, more and more signs are in Spanish, people are acquitted because they were not read their rights in their native language, and the apparent pandering to these individuals appears to many as illegals trying to change the country instead of trying to be an active part of the country which exists. The way in which many of our ancestors did. One of the unique things about America in the past, but is trying to be changed by those who want a steady voting block, was that someone could look at another at the end of their life and not know where on the economic scale or country they started from.
     
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    Personally, I believe most people and especially conservatives (Reagan is held in high regard by many conservatives) are most upset with the fact that we do not know for certain how much tax revenue is lost to illegal aliens not paying taxes, while we do have many studies showing how much we are paying for them being here.
     
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    This is the same Reagan, who when talking about Iran Contra, said, "I don't recall." Shortly thereafter, God made sure he could not recall anything. No, government is not always the problem, and, yes, at times, it has better solutions than business.
     
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    To be perfectly honest with you, I do not know the full details of the Iran Contra situation. However, it is my understanding that President Reagan was not a willing participant in the affair, it was his staff. Granted, one might make the case that the President should have full control over his staff, however, unless he is an authoritarian it is impossible to keep tabs on every single person and every action they take.

    Nonetheless, my point in posting Mr. Reagan's video was not to discuss Reagan's administration per say, but rather to see what people thought about his message. Again, this commentary was made before he was even running.
     
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    Many illegal aliens work in legitimate businesses that withhold payroll taxes and social security. Most of them do not file tax returns so they do not get refunds even though they would probably be due a refund. They also will never received any benefit from the withheld social security taxes. But since they are undocumented we will never know for sure how much they pay or don't pay. Considering how divided the parties are on the immigration issues, I doubt that anything other than a longer wall is going to change.
     
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    His message, as we have seen in the culmination of 12 years of a Republican Congress with an acquiescent Clinton and Bush, was imperfect in its execution. We live in the midst of that message today.
     
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    Shows up in time to defend Socialism.

    I never saw that coming.

    It that new center to centrist Republicanism?
     
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    The predominate economic system in the world today is a blend of regulated capitalism and socialism. A system totally devoid of socialist or capitalist ideals would be a sorry place to live. We have seen how big a failure the USSR was and we have also seen the terrible social problems that arose from a capitalist system devoid of all social programs in the 19th century. It is the proper balance that we should strive for.

    The picture that Reagan paints of a large segment of society who's goal is to live off the government is a myth, a popular one but still a myth. I have worked for a number of months in a low income neighborhoods. My wife worked for many years in a food bank. I have a neighbor who worked for DHS for 30 years. From everything I know about people on welfare, I can say I have never met anyone who would rather be on welfare than work. Republicans have beat the drum for years to cut welfare because they believe those on welfare will find jobs if we just stop the welfare payments. Then the questions are asked. What happens to the millions that are disabled? How are the single mothers to find a job when there is no money for child care? What happens to 8 million kids in foster care and institutions? The questions go on, but there no answers. Welfare should be reformed but not the Reagan way.

    Free markets are a vital part of our economy and will remain so as are social programs.
     
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