Socialist Responsibility! Social Security Not A Cause Of Federal Deficit!

[mascale]

So finally some analysts somewhere have noted that fixing the federal deficit problem has nothing to do with Social Security. Medicare Is Not the Problem. Health Care Reform is not the problem.

US: Medicare to hit financial woes sooner - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

That Leaves War, Education, Transportation, The forest creatures in the parks, Weather forecasting, airplane landings, OSHA, wine-tasting, and heroin control as the problems(?).

Education clearly caused the problem in the first place. The fixed percentage math of pay raises, cost-of-living adjustments, profit distributions, interest payments--and on and on--is not allowed to be discussed, as a part of education

Harvard Law graduates know this best, and send little kids off to places like Sidwell Friends School: Where they assuredly, will not be taught!

Someone sane could suggest that religion caused it all, in the first place: Not paying taxes on anything at all. Matthew 20 and Matthew 25 are considered by the occasional to be fact: Religion.

In America, there are Republicans Instead. In Europe there is The Vatican instead: And its support of the Predators, even with a Saint of the Predators.

Anyone can then guess that war is a cause of the federal deficit, just like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, the genoicide of the Indigenous Tribes, and the Genocide of the White Americans, 1861-1865.

In USA with an obesity problem: Fat Chance instead! No one will see any of the problems!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(White Eyes Make more treaties of shame, even now with old people in America! Lands of Many Nations--now have new gaming sense of security! Many have learned non-Negro dialect!)

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

OMG... what is this person on?

 

[Wiseacre]

Hope you didn't spend too much time writing that bullshit. Thanks for the link though, I hope it gets the attention across the counry that it should.

 

[mascale]

Americans like to celebrate their Tea Party--of the masquerade as real Americans--which in fact is better discussed in terms of the Old, Fat, White People--Cavorting About Naked On Other People's Yachts, dumping substance and other treasure into the sea.

The masquerade of serious deficit reduction is all that exists about it.

Anyone might start with war. Anyone could point to the lack of taxation, thanks to representation.

That applies to rich and poor alike: And is not a cause for cheering or setting off cherry bombs, in the toilets!

There is an old saying about getting what you wish for?!?

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!'
(Many White Eyes Think They Won! Lands of Many Nations now invite many squaw to be like winners, in the Ways of White Eyes! Soon many play at war cry, "bin laden!--in land of White Eyes(?)!" Many now play at "Montezuma's Revenge!" Many say many code names about it!)

 

[editec]

Word salad.

 

[Charles_Main]

So finally some analysts somewhere have noted that fixing the federal deficit problem has nothing to do with Social Security. Medicare Is Not the Problem. Health Care Reform is not the problem.

US: Medicare to hit financial woes sooner - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

That Leaves War, Education, Transportation, The forest creatures in the parks, Weather forecasting, airplane landings, OSHA, wine-tasting, and heroin control as the problems(?).

Education clearly caused the problem in the first place. The fixed percentage math of pay raises, cost-of-living adjustments, profit distributions, interest payments--and on and on--is not allowed to be discussed, as a part of education

Harvard Law graduates know this best, and send little kids off to places like Sidwell Friends School: Where they assuredly, will not be taught!

Someone sane could suggest that religion caused it all, in the first place: Not paying taxes on anything at all. Matthew 20 and Matthew 25 are considered by the occasional to be fact: Religion.

In America, there are Republicans Instead. In Europe there is The Vatican instead: And its support of the Predators, even with a Saint of the Predators.

Anyone can then guess that war is a cause of the federal deficit, just like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, the genoicide of the Indigenous Tribes, and the Genocide of the White Americans, 1861-1865.

In USA with an obesity problem: Fat Chance instead! No one will see any of the problems!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(White Eyes Make more treaties of shame, even now with old people in America! Lands of Many Nations--now have new gaming sense of security! Many have learned non-Negro dialect!)

Of course it is not the cause of the "Reported Federal Deficit" Because it is not even on the Budget. The Debt we face because of SS is not even factored into the Nation Debt and Deficit Figures the Government reports. Which is why it is such a serious Problem.

Some say between SS, Medicare, and State Future Debts we face about 110 Trillion in unfunded future Debt Obligations.

 

[Seawytch]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

 

[mascale]

The Old, Fat, White People--Cavorting About Naked On Other People's Yachts, dumping sumbstance and other treasure into the sea--already know about things undressed and uncoverd, or so they claim!

The rich don't get taxed. The poor don't get taxed. Lower middle incomes don't get taxed.

The 1986 Tax Reform raised and idexed the standard deduction and the personal exemptions in the U. S. Federal Tax Code. That is still on the books--throwing more people off the tax rolls, every year. The Clinton's came up with the per child tax credit--possibly hoping against hope for the eldest, and only child.

Many Democrats were in on both. The outcome was a reduction of the federal income tax base even though the economy was red hot. That flew past the Ivy League Bush Administration, which then seemed to want the rich in on it. Even though their first tax cuts didn't work, still more were ordered up. A trillion dollar war was started.

The Calabasas Miracle Of Malibu Hills was started! All that money free from taxation could be put to work in affordable loans(?)!

And now there is no money to tax!

It's A Miracle just like promised by the Church of the Saint of Predators!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many young warriors go to find many horses to trade--knowing how to ride with the wind! Drums and Smoke Say "White Eyes Even Kknow Already, How to Avoid Even This: 'Some say between SS, Medicare, and State Future Debts we face about 110 Trillion in unfunded future Debt Obligations.'")

 

[Wiseacre]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Really? And how the hell are you going to pay for it?

 

[Charles_Main]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Wow really. The Answer is simply to Open a system Wrought With Abuse, and Fiscally Unsustainable At this level. To Everyone?

I don't think so.

Perhaps you can Explain to us how we will still have Doctors to go see, when every man women and child pays with Medicare. which Pays so much less than regular Patients that Doctors and Hospitals often lose money treating them. Medicare is so Abused, and Pays so much less than Regular Patients that it is actual Part of the Problem. It helps drive the Costs of Medical Procedures, and Private Insurance UP. By forcing Doctors and Hospitals to treat people at a Discounted Rate. Which Means they try and make up the Difference by charging the Paying customers, and Private Insurance Customers MORE!

If we did away with Private Insurance, and put everyone in Medicare. Our Medical System would collapse. Doctors would retire and leave the Country in Droves. Simply forcing them to treat everyone, and Rates Medicare dictates is not the answer. It is sheer folly.

 

[Flopper]

Social Security is an easy fix. Medicare and Medicaid are a lot harder.

We could easily save at least 30 billion changing the drug program to catastrophic coverage only.

Currently it is illegal to imports pharmacological but the FDA has said anyone can import up a 3 month supply without fear prosecution. Seniors can purchase about 95% of their drugs they use from reparable firms in Canada at less cost than they pay for the drug program. I know this to be true because, I get all my prescription drugs from Canada as does my wife and my brother. It is really stupid that the government spends 50 billion a year on program to reduce the cost of prescription drugs for seniors and the program increases the cost. The beneficiaries of this program are the drug companies and the insurance companies. The looser are every tax payer and most seniors.

 

[mascale]

The Social Security Administration is no stranger to changes in how federal budget and outlays are presented. It finally presents them both ways, too: Just like everyone else, and like below:

"The BEA budget treatment of Social Security basically remains the law to the present day. Specifically, present law mandates that the two Social Security Trust Funds, and the operations of the Postal Service, are formally considered to be "off-budget" and no longer part of the unified federal budget. (The Medicare Trust Funds, by contrast, are once again part of the unified budget.) So where matters stand presently is that the transactions to the Social Security Trust Funds and the operations of the Postal Service are "off-budget" and everything else is "on-budget."

"However, those involved in budget matters often produce two sets of numbers, one without Social Security included in the budget totals and one with Social Security included. Thus, Social Security is still frequently treated as though it were part of the unified federal budget even though, technically, it no longer is."

"To illustrate the difference between the "on-budget" and "off-budget" parts of the federal budget, we can observe that for fiscal year 2004 the following figures were reported by OMB:"

Unified Budget --Without "off-budget" items
Receipts
$1.8 trillion-------$1.3 trillion
Expenditures
$2.2 trillion-------$1.9 trillion
Deficit
$412 billion-------$567 billion

Source: Historical Tables: Budget of the U.S. Government, Fiscal Year 2006, Table 1.1, pg. 22.

The "Funds" of Medicare and Social Security are "off-budget," so federal deficits are bigger when the Bush Administration is doing the computing, or something.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(White People Still With the Tongues Like Snakes, routine: From Early Times(?)!)

 

[MikeK]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Really? And how the hell are you going to pay for it?

How do the Germans, the French, the Canadians and others pay for it?

The U.S. Government wastes an enormous amount of money on redundant "defense" expenditure and the utterly counterproductive drug war -- which has produced inordinate prison populations and a wasteful law-enforcement industrial complex. There also is an endless progression of "pork" projects which should be subjected to necessity audits by independent citizens committees. These and many other extraordinarily wasteful drains on our wealth resources are things we've simply grown accustomed to but have no real need for and could more than cover the cost of single-payer health care in America.

 

[editec]

Pretty simple solution, really.

If we want to spend more on domestic needs, we need to spend less on foreign misadventures and all the perparedness it takes so we can be involved in multiple events in different parts of the world.

At least that's PART of the solution.

I'm not sure, given the rising price of HC that it is enough to really deal with the problem.

Social Security is easier to solve because it has a bank of $2.4 TRILLION, right now.

Put people back to work at REAL jobs and the SS accounts will once again become positive.

 

[Old Rocks]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Really? And how the hell are you going to pay for it?

How do the Germans, the French, the Canadians and others pay for it?

The U.S. Government wastes an enormous amount of money on redundant "defense" expenditure and the utterly counterproductive drug war -- which has produced inordinate prison populations and a wasteful law-enforcement industrial complex. There also is an endless progression of "pork" projects which should be subjected to necessity audits by independent citizens committees. These and many other extraordinarily wasteful drains on our wealth resources are things we've simply grown accustomed to but have no real need for and could more than cover the cost of single-payer health care in America.

Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[Old Rocks]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Wow really. The Answer is simply to Open a system Wrought With Abuse, and Fiscally Unsustainable At this level. To Everyone?

I don't think so.

Perhaps you can Explain to us how we will still have Doctors to go see, when every man women and child pays with Medicare. which Pays so much less than regular Patients that Doctors and Hospitals often lose money treating them. Medicare is so Abused, and Pays so much less than Regular Patients that it is actual Part of the Problem. It helps drive the Costs of Medical Procedures, and Private Insurance UP. By forcing Doctors and Hospitals to treat people at a Discounted Rate. Which Means they try and make up the Difference by charging the Paying customers, and Private Insurance Customers MORE!

If we did away with Private Insurance, and put everyone in Medicare. Our Medical System would collapse. Doctors would retire and leave the Country in Droves. Simply forcing them to treat everyone, and Rates Medicare dictates is not the answer. It is sheer folly.

Hmmmm...... I see. In Japan, Germany, Canada, they have no doctors, right?

Yet they manage to have longer life spans and much lower infant mortality while covering 100% of their citizens for half the money per citizen.

Can't Do seems to be the watchword of braindead Conservatives.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unfunded defense spending accounts for almost all of our fiscal problems.

 

[WillowTree]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Soon as the rest of America has paid as much into it as the seniors have let me know.

 

[hortysir]

OMG... what is this person on?

MSNBC


'nuff said

 

[FA_Q2]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again...the best possible solution to Medicare is to open it up to every American. Medicare needs to be the public option.

Wow really. The Answer is simply to Open a system Wrought With Abuse, and Fiscally Unsustainable At this level. To Everyone?

I don't think so.

Perhaps you can Explain to us how we will still have Doctors to go see, when every man women and child pays with Medicare. which Pays so much less than regular Patients that Doctors and Hospitals often lose money treating them. Medicare is so Abused, and Pays so much less than Regular Patients that it is actual Part of the Problem. It helps drive the Costs of Medical Procedures, and Private Insurance UP. By forcing Doctors and Hospitals to treat people at a Discounted Rate. Which Means they try and make up the Difference by charging the Paying customers, and Private Insurance Customers MORE!

If we did away with Private Insurance, and put everyone in Medicare. Our Medical System would collapse. Doctors would retire and leave the Country in Droves. Simply forcing them to treat everyone, and Rates Medicare dictates is not the answer. It is sheer folly.

Hmmmm...... I see. In Japan, Germany, Canada, they have no doctors, right?

Yet they manage to have longer life spans and much lower infant mortality while covering 100% of their citizens for half the money per citizen.

Can't Do seems to be the watchword of braindead Conservatives.

Do you even understand why they have those metrics or why Americans are lacking in that area? I’ll give you a hint, it has virtually nothing to do with the quality of healthcare in each country.