socialist congress members. WOW 70 Dems

[UpAndAbout]

You need to pay better attention then when they talk. And watch what they do. Actually,actions speak louder than words.

I am paying attention to their actions, which tell me that the Democrats are, by and large, bought and paid for corporate stooges like the Republicans.

If you think socialist is so great, perhaps you'd be happier in a country that is truly totally socialist.

Not sure what you mean by "truly totally" socialist, but I suspect I would probably be happier, and live better, in any number of European countries. However, there's nothing to stop me, as a patriotic American, from trying to improve my own country rather than deserting it.

Well if you think improving it would becoming socialist, you ARE scary. You do realize that food and housing in, say, Sweden, or France is very, very expensive? You do realize there are lots of the pesky wealthy people in those countries, don't you? France has some of the most expensive real estate in the world. You could rent an apartment in the size of a walk in closet for about $1500 a month, probably equates to about 300 square feet, if that. So, go for it. Although if you do a little research, the countries who claim to be "socialist" would be scary places to live, no thanks.

 

[UpAndAbout]

so people will work just for the hell of it? Or do you propose to force them to work then?

I know it's hard to get your mind around the concept, but try. We approach a situation in which most of the work is done by machines. We are already in the shallows of that situation, which is why this recovery sucks so badly in terms of employment. It will get worse.

Considerations of how people can be made to work don't matter when it's possible to produce wealth without people working. Or with much less work, which is more the reality.

Another possibility besides completely separating work from income is to pay people full-time incomes for part-time work. We will still need some labor for the foreseeable future.

Ahh, I understand now. You want twice the money for half the work! My god, and I think you mean it. God help us. We're doomed.

 

[buckeye45_73]

so people will work just for the hell of it? Or do you propose to force them to work then?

I know it's hard to get your mind around the concept, but try. We approach a situation in which most of the work is done by machines. We are already in the shallows of that situation, which is why this recovery sucks so badly in terms of employment. It will get worse.

Considerations of how people can be made to work don't matter when it's possible to produce wealth without people working. Or with much less work, which is more the reality.

Another possibility besides completely separating work from income is to pay people full-time incomes for part-time work. We will still need some labor for the foreseeable future.

Ok work isnt just done by machines, someone has to operate, program, maintain those machines, oh and yes someone has to decide how those machines operate. So people will still work and if they dont, how do they live, we just all split up the wealth? and when people use it up, what happens then? do we redistribute evey year?

 

[g5000]

so people will work just for the hell of it? Or do you propose to force them to work then?

I know it's hard to get your mind around the concept, but try. We approach a situation in which most of the work is done by machines. We are already in the shallows of that situation, which is why this recovery sucks so badly in terms of employment. It will get worse.

No. The work is being done by Chinese and Indians. That's the way it works. Developing nations do the lo-tech work, the developed nations do the innovation and hi-tech work. The smiley face curve. Here is an example.

If you don't educate the work force for the jobs of tomorrow, you lose your competitive edge, and that is what is happening in the US. Protectionist forces have been trying to save the lo-tech jobs (one of Obama's first amateur moves in office) instead of accepting reality and gearing up for tomorrow's jobs.

People have been predicting the end of human labor since the Luddites. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Dragon]

Ahh, I understand now. You want twice the money for half the work! My god, and I think you mean it. God help us. We're doomed.

If we can produce twice the wealth for half the work, why is paying twice the money for half the work "doom"?

 

[Dragon]

No. The work is being done by Chinese and Indians.

In part, but only in small part. Look at the manufacturing that's still being done here in the U.S., or in other advanced economies, and you'll find that it's heavily automated, with lots of robots and computer-controlled processes. In fact, on a value-added basis we make more stuff than ever in the U.S., but employ fewer people than ever doing it.

But the real news is the way that automation is now moving into the service sector. Automated bank tellers, voice-activated software for customer service, software tools that replace legal or medical researchers, automated checkout lines at the supermarket, computer graphics replacing extras in motion pictures, synthetic tracks replacing studio musicians, all of these cut the payrolls for various service jobs. Word processing, a job I did years ago, no longer exists as a job. And this is only the beginning.

When farms were automated, displaced farm workers found factory jobs.

When factories were automated, displaced factory workers found service jobs.

When services are automated, there will be no jobs.