Socialism

No not at all, they are just there to manage and Administrate, and control the will of the Masses. It is only right that they should be.... uh... compensated... for their sacrifice... right? ;) :razz:

Well, what I mean is that "socialism" as a term includes anarcho-socialism, libertarian socialism, and countless other ideas that fit within the realm of "socialism", and yet believe in a tiny or non-existant government, and no "managers" at all. You know, in theory. Like the theory of a self-correcting free market.

You mean a Market with no Monopolies and no Subsidies??? Really Where??? We be chasing wind mills and Unicorns again???

That's kinda my point, actually. (If I'm understanding you correctly).

A "Free Market" only exists in theory - it's never actually been implemented, and it's not even clear how it could be. Same with "Socialism" in all it's forms - they're theory, not reality.

"Socialism" is just a theory, not a reality - and it's definition isn't "government control".
 
So... For an individual to be called a 'Socialist', it is not necessarily a bad thing though there are some obvious issues in the interpretation of even the 'most basic' words. :lol:

It almost seems to me that any society, any community would benefit from having socialistic influences. It has been more than proven regardless of how controversial what levels of socialism into any given system be accepted by mainstream.

The same could/should be said about certain levels of a great many other 'influences'. As a nation we are increasing the levels of diversity and that means we as a United Nation have to be more strategic in dealing with the individuals in which represent the more controversial changes. Not all things may be 'good' in and of themselves but the 'ultimate good' and individual potentials must be understood by the majority rather than a mere select. Otherwise it seems that divisions will only continue to further disconnect 'US' from one another.

This has all been said before, obviously.
 
Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, socialism is a triangle with four corners.

Socialism is government control of productive enterprises. That's the economic definition. Any other definition is propaganda. Your claims about "self management" and "co-operative social relations" are laughable. The only kind of "cooperation" that occurs under socialism is where you do what the government tells you or go to prison. In other words, "cooperate" or else.

How do you have "self management" when the collective is making all the decisions?
 
A nation can not be classified as either socialist or capitalist. All nations are both. It is a matter degrees. North Korea is at one of the most socialist, actually communistic. Hong Kong and Singapore are probably the most capitalist followed closely by Ireland, Australia, and the US.
 
Could someone please dumb what socialism is down for me?

There's investments, there's returns, and then yet there are individuals whose practices don't seem to represent such being labeled as socialists. :confused: OMGorsh! Really? :doubt:

I'll try, but remember that this is real basic. Socialism is when government owns all or parts of some businesses and, or industries.

The US is a socialist nation now. Public schools, police, and the fire department are some examples of socialism.

Public safety is an essential function of government. That's not socialism.
Those that think this way are in the "well since we have "some" socialism, why not go 100% socialist" crowd.
Newsflash.....socialism has failed 100% of the time. Why is it Liberals find it necessary to continue trying the same failed things over and again in expectation of a different result?
 
Socialism

"A class of ideologies favoring an economic system in which all or most productive resources are the property of the government, in which the production and distribution of goods and services are administered primarily by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which any remaining private production and distribution (socialists differ on how much of this is tolerable) is heavily regulated by the government rather than by market processes. Both democratic and non-democratic socialists insist that the government they envision as running the economy must in principle be one that truly reflects the will of the masses of the population (or at least their "true" best interests), but of course they differ considerably in their ideas about what sorts of political institutions and practices are required to ensure this will be so. In practice, socialist economic principles may be combined with an extremely wide range of attitudes toward personal freedom, civil liberties, mass political participation, bureaucracy and political competition, ranging from Western European democratic socialism to the more authoritarian socialisms of many third world regimes to the totalitarian excesses of Soviet-style socialism or communism."


See also: at the link from which this quote was taken: A Glossary of Political Economy Terms - Dr. Paul M. Johnson
communism,
welfare state,
anarchism,
democracy,
civil rights/civil liberties,
totalitarianism,
market economy,
egalitarianism

In our country Socialism has become a pejorative, much like liberal or progressive. It is neither a perfect system nor an evil one, it is an idea, a concept, and it is something to be considered in degrees. Much as Capitalism can be (in theory) "laissez-faire" Socialism may in theory be "all control". Has either existed in pure form in any but the most tiny and insulated communites?
 
Dear 'theDoctorisIn' I was already advised against wikipedia because anyone can post most anything. However, thank you for your reply. Spectrumc01 posted a much more understandable answer by which would help me to better connect the dots than googling through wikipedia....

Good idea Melissa. Better to go with the actual dictionary definition rather than the sugar coated versino of what some liberal would like it to mean.

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
See socialism defined for English-language learners »
See socialism defined for kids »

Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
So... For an individual to be called a 'Socialist', it is not necessarily a bad thing though there are some obvious issues in the interpretation of even the 'most basic' words. :lol:

It almost seems to me that any society, any community would benefit from having socialistic influences. It has been more than proven regardless of how controversial what levels of socialism into any given system be accepted by mainstream.

The same could/should be said about certain levels of a great many other 'influences'. As a nation we are increasing the levels of diversity and that means we as a United Nation have to be more strategic in dealing with the individuals in which represent the more controversial changes. Not all things may be 'good' in and of themselves but the 'ultimate good' and individual potentials must be understood by the majority rather than a mere select. Otherwise it seems that divisions will only continue to further disconnect 'US' from one another.

This has all been said before, obviously.

To an extent maybe. But it doesn't work on a large scale and doesn't work in a nation founded on the concept of freedom. Freedom means I get to do and/or acquire whatever I want to so long as I am not harming others in doing so. That is incompatible with socialism that says someone else will dole out to me what they decide I deserve.
 
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Many people seem to feel that the government regulations are synonymous with socialism. I disagree. A country can be well regulated yet still have thriving free markets and individual ownership. In fact, just about any government regulations seems to be heralded by some as proof that we are becoming a socialist nation.
 
Socialism essentially is when all the producers of a product are the owners.

In pure socialism you don't have the right to private property either-society as a whole would decide what resources each person needs on an individual basis-as to what benefits the society the most overall.

There's not a lot of people in the US who really understand what Socialism is-and that includes people who claim they support it, and those who claim they hate it.

If you really want to understand Socialism more-read Marx, Lennon, etc. I have, and while I don't agree with what they were saying were good ideas, it's still interesting to read a little bit about.

Lennon?
John+Lennon+2.jpg


You mean Lenin, right?

been listening to The Beatles too much lately. :lol:
 
Socialism essentially is when all the producers of a product are the owners.

In pure socialism you don't have the right to private property either-society as a whole would decide what resources each person needs on an individual basis-as to what benefits the society the most overall.

There's not a lot of people in the US who really understand what Socialism is-and that includes people who claim they support it, and those who claim they hate it.

If you really want to understand Socialism more-read Marx, Lennon, etc. I have, and while I don't agree with what they were saying were good ideas, it's still interesting to read a little bit about.

Lennon?
John+Lennon+2.jpg


You mean Lenin, right?

been listening to The Beatles too much lately. :lol:
Here is a list of the 100 largest companies that are owned by the employees. Are they socialist enterprises?

Publix Super Markets
Hy-Vee
Daymon Worldwide
CH2M Hill, Inc.
Lifetouch
Nypro
Houchens Industries
Penmac
WinCo Foods
Parsons
Black & Veatch
Amsted Industries
W.L. Gore & Associates
Graybar Electric
HDR
Alliance Holdings
Burnett Staffing
Davey Tree Expert
Austin Industries
Brookshire Brothers
EmpRes Healthcare
Schreiber Foods
Piggly Wiggly Carolina
Blue Tee
McCarthy Building Company
Tharaldson Motels
EOD Technology
General Growth Management
Columbia Forest Products
Guckenheimer Enterprises
Hanson Pipe & Precast
Sammons Enterprises
HNTB
Herff Jones
Harp's Food Stores
Alion Science and Technology
Lewis Tree Service
Appleton
American Cast Iron Pipe
Terracon
Scheels All Sport
MWH Americas
Miller's Health Systems
KI
Gensler
Food Giant
Bi-Mart
Recology
Hensel-Phelps Construction
KeHe Distributors
S&C Electric
Cianbro
Schweitzer Engineering
Round Table Pizza
Acadian Ambulance
Medicalodges
Reasors
Omaha World Herald
Kleinfelder
Kinney Drugs
TRAX International
Rosendin Electric
CentiMark
Burns & McDonnell Engineering
Abt Associates
The Weitz Company
Weston Solutions
Osmose Holdings, Inc.
John Henry Company
The Sundt Companies.
Ebby Halliday Realtors
STV Group
Bureau of National Affairs Inc.
Roberts Hawaii
Woodman's Food Market
TD Industries
Cooperative Home Care Assocs
Kelly Moore Paint Co.
Dunn-Edwards Paints
Dahls Foods
JASPER Engines & Transmissions
Remke biggs Markets
Pinnacle Builders
MMC
Martin & Bayley
Brown and Caldwell
American Systems Corp.
HDOS Enterprises
Okonite
Barton Malow
Applied Research Associates
Swinerton
Charles Machine Works
Border States Electric
Zandex Health Care
Cobham Analytic Solutions
Riesbeck Food Markets
SecTec
Challenge Manufacturing
Scitor
 
So... For an individual to be called a 'Socialist', it is not necessarily a bad thing though there are some obvious issues in the interpretation of even the 'most basic' words. :lol:

It almost seems to me that any society, any community would benefit from having socialistic influences. It has been more than proven regardless of how controversial what levels of socialism into any given system be accepted by mainstream.

The same could/should be said about certain levels of a great many other 'influences'. As a nation we are increasing the levels of diversity and that means we as a United Nation have to be more strategic in dealing with the individuals in which represent the more controversial changes. Not all things may be 'good' in and of themselves but the 'ultimate good' and individual potentials must be understood by the majority rather than a mere select. Otherwise it seems that divisions will only continue to further disconnect 'US' from one another.

This has all been said before, obviously.

If you are a true American i'd say being called a "Socialist" is a very bad thing....

"At this very turbulent time in history, if you are one of those individuals trying to understand what’s going on, trying to sort things out, it can be simplified by understanding three things, what a Progressive is, what a socialist is, and the meaning of Freedom."

"The bottom line of Progressives is to do away with the United States Constitution, to clear the way for a One World Government.

The goal of a Socialist is to do away with Private ownership of property and personal Freedom. The aim is to disregard the Constitution.

Freedom is Self-Responsibility and Self-control. One who believes in Freedom, supports the Principles upon which this country was founded in order to have individual Freedom. Those basic Human Rights, expressed in the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution."

PROGRESSIVES – THE UMBRELLA FOR VARYING DEGREES OF SOCIALISM (ISSUE 342)
 
Lennon?
John+Lennon+2.jpg


You mean Lenin, right?

been listening to The Beatles too much lately. :lol:
Here is a list of the 100 largest companies that are owned by the employees. Are they socialist enterprises?

Publix Super Markets
Hy-Vee
Daymon Worldwide
CH2M Hill, Inc.
Lifetouch
Nypro
Houchens Industries
Penmac
WinCo Foods
Parsons
Black & Veatch
Amsted Industries
W.L. Gore & Associates
Graybar Electric
HDR
Alliance Holdings
Burnett Staffing
Davey Tree Expert
Austin Industries
Brookshire Brothers
EmpRes Healthcare
Schreiber Foods
Piggly Wiggly Carolina
Blue Tee
McCarthy Building Company
Tharaldson Motels
EOD Technology
General Growth Management
Columbia Forest Products
Guckenheimer Enterprises
Hanson Pipe & Precast
Sammons Enterprises
HNTB
Herff Jones
Harp's Food Stores
Alion Science and Technology
Lewis Tree Service
Appleton
American Cast Iron Pipe
Terracon
Scheels All Sport
MWH Americas
Miller's Health Systems
KI
Gensler
Food Giant
Bi-Mart
Recology
Hensel-Phelps Construction
KeHe Distributors
S&C Electric
Cianbro
Schweitzer Engineering
Round Table Pizza
Acadian Ambulance
Medicalodges
Reasors
Omaha World Herald
Kleinfelder
Kinney Drugs
TRAX International
Rosendin Electric
CentiMark
Burns & McDonnell Engineering
Abt Associates
The Weitz Company
Weston Solutions
Osmose Holdings, Inc.
John Henry Company
The Sundt Companies.
Ebby Halliday Realtors
STV Group
Bureau of National Affairs Inc.
Roberts Hawaii
Woodman's Food Market
TD Industries
Cooperative Home Care Assocs
Kelly Moore Paint Co.
Dunn-Edwards Paints
Dahls Foods
JASPER Engines & Transmissions
Remke biggs Markets
Pinnacle Builders
MMC
Martin & Bayley
Brown and Caldwell
American Systems Corp.
HDOS Enterprises
Okonite
Barton Malow
Applied Research Associates
Swinerton
Charles Machine Works
Border States Electric
Zandex Health Care
Cobham Analytic Solutions
Riesbeck Food Markets
SecTec
Challenge Manufacturing
Scitor

First of all those companies do it by choice-not force. A company has the right to do as they want.

Second of all the very first company on your list-not every worker owns a part of the company. I worked there back in highschool, and they never gave me any stock. Now I had the option to buy into the stock, and only employees can buy stock-but that's not the same as socialism-as different employees own different amounts.
 
Just because more than one person owns private property together.....this does not mean it is a socialist enterprise...each individual is in it for his own PERSONAL gain....much like buying stock in Wall Street...
 

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