Socialism was Based on Christianity

[ihopehefails]

I've notice the comparisons between socialism/fascism/and communism and have been told that they were christian like. Some of this is true since it was the Saint-Simons of germany that were preaching a new political religion based on love and brotherhood. It sounds pretty christian so, for argument sakes, I'm going to give this one to our liberal friends that to be a christian is to believe in the ideas of socialism.

Don't we have the right to choose our own religion in this country and if socialism is something based on a religion doesn't that mean we can choose not to participate in the socialist religion?

discuss...

 

[the rev]

Jesus was definitely socialist. He preached for socialism of the soul. To think outside of your own circumstances and care for others. Thats of course wrapped in love others as you love yourself.

There is nothing in the new testament that references socialism of government. I see nothing wrong for the people in this country to use their government to help improve their lives, especially for our less fortunate. How far we take that is always up for debate. But as long as government isn't oppressing the people, we should have the ability to use government however we want.

 

[Care4all]

I've notice the comparisons between socialism/fascism/and communism and have been told that they were christian like. Some of this is true since it was the Saint-Simons of germany that were preaching a new political religion based on love and brotherhood. It sounds pretty christian so, for argument sakes, I'm going to give this one to our liberal friends that to be a christian is to believe in the ideas of socialism.

Don't we have the right to choose our own religion in this country and if socialism is something based on a religion doesn't that mean we can choose not to participate in the socialist religion?

discuss...

socialism was how the proverbial cave man, survived.... tribes stuck together early on, and socialism, or taking care of one another, those in their clan or group even if inferior, was key to survival back then...this was before organized religions.

 

[ihopehefails]

Jesus was definitely socialist. He preached for socialism of the soul. To think outside of your own circumstances and care for others. Thats of course wrapped in love others as you love yourself.

There is nothing in the new testament that references socialism of government. I see nothing wrong for the people in this country to use their government to help improve their lives, especially for our less fortunate. How far we take that is always up for debate. But as long as government isn't oppressing the people, we should have the ability to use government however we want.

Interesting point but what is socialism without the state?

 

[Avatar4321]

So somehow socialism, which was created by non practicing jews, is based on Christianity....

Im sure they were looking at Christianity as a source of their new political philosophy... right.

 

[ihopehefails]

So somehow socialism, which was created by non practicing jews, is based on Christianity....

Im sure they were looking at Christianity as a source of their new political philosophy... right.

The concept of brotherhood among men...

I only said a few elements of christianity are found in socialism. It is not a remake of a religion.

Anyhow, you have got to admit their is a sense of religious precepts in socialist thinking.

 

[Mises was right]

Any notion that socialism is based on Christianity, terribly misunderstands either Christianity, Socialism, or both.

Jesus, over and over again exorted us to give to one another and to the needy. yet in order to give, we must have. property, under Christianity is still recognized as private. It is just that the owner of the property changes as gifts are given from one to another, but the property is always privately owned. Indeed consumable property must always be privately owned, it is absurd to speak of the whole of society owning a coat, a house, or a meal.

This is why Socialism is the aim of abolishing not private property in consumers goods, but in the factors of production. But Christianity not only passively allows for, but insists on the private ownership of the factors of production. It is through this, that they who own them are able to provide for their brethren.

The other key difference of course is that socialism is through the force of the government. But that Jesus says to give. One can not be forced to give. Giving must be freely done. God commands us to be charitable, but as soon as we are forced to give, it is not charity.

 

[California Girl]

Jesus was definitely socialist. He preached for socialism of the soul. To think outside of your own circumstances and care for others. Thats of course wrapped in love others as you love yourself.

There is nothing in the new testament that references socialism of government. I see nothing wrong for the people in this country to use their government to help improve their lives, especially for our less fortunate. How far we take that is always up for debate. But as long as government isn't oppressing the people, we should have the ability to use government however we want.

If you are a Reverend, surely you grasp the concept of 'charity'. Jesus didn't say that everyone HAD to give to others. He said that we should - he said we should be charitable and help our fellow man. I do that, I do not need to be forced to do it by someone else. You cannot use the teachings of Christ to back up socialism.... unless you're an idiot.... or a liberal.... or a combination of the two.

 

[uptownlivin90]

Karl Marx was a Christian?

 

[AllieBaba]

Just another example of the lefties trying to make socialism more palatable.

And like most of the stuff they perpetuate, it's a lie.

 

[Shorebreak]

In my opinion, a forced virtue (aka a legislated virtue) is no virtue art all. Therefore, a socialist form of government is not Christianity. It's not even a reflection of Christianity.

For those who really want to understand socialism, you need to understand the economics behind it. A socialist government requires a central bank, or the support of private banks. For example, the US has a central bank which is comprised of several private banks. At the macro finance level, the goal of the socialist is to control the economic system. Therefore, all monies that are pent and all monies that come into the treasury are under their control.

If you are a private bank who controls a treasury (as in the case of the US Federal Reserve), socialism would be the pinnacle of success. This is the case because all spending dollars for all business and industry would be controlled by government. Since all government spending under our central bank system is managed in the form of a loan that is repayed in tax dollars, all spending in a socialist state becomes an interest earning benefit to the private bank that controls the monetary system. The more things are socialized, the more the bank will profit.

The same argument goes for privatizing government. Privatization is nothing more than legislating the funnel of funds into a private account instead of a federal account. It looks great on paper (reducing government etc) but in reality, what's happened is that our tax dollars are funneled by decree into someone's profit statement. Instead of privatization, the government should be controlling costs by exponential size and scope reductions, not providing our tax dollars as someone else's profit. They call it privatization but in reality, it's socialism. The conservatives around here who support privatization should chew on that for a while. You wouldn't be my first audience to do a complete "about face" on your views of the subject.

So socialism is not Christian. It may be the legislation of certain Christian concepts, but there is no salvation in following the law. But even worse, the ultimate goal of socialism is to transfer wealth from the people and from the state into the pockets of those who control the finances. it looks great that everyone has an apartment and a meal, but it's all under the thumb of the group who controls the economy. Socialism. therefore, is the antithesis of individual liberty, in 100% opposition to the intent and implementation of the US Constitution.

 

[Toro]

Many advocates of socialism in Europe and Canada were men of the cloth. They preached capitalism as immoral and socialism consistent with teachings of the church and Jesus.

 

[AllieBaba]

Socialism is in no way consistent with Christianity or the teachings of Christ. Compulsory charity is not recognized by God. It has to be something you choose to do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So somehow socialism, which was created by non practicing jews, is based on Christianity....

Im sure they were looking at Christianity as a source of their new political philosophy... right.

Better ask St Peter about your statement, Avatar.

Acts 2:44-45 (King James Version)

44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

 

[Avatar4321]

So somehow socialism, which was created by non practicing jews, is based on Christianity....

Im sure they were looking at Christianity as a source of their new political philosophy... right.

Better ask St Peter about your statement, Avatar.

Acts 2:44-45 (King James Version)

44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

So what your saying is that Karl Marx, a non-practicing Jew, used the book of Acts to develop his economic theory?

 

[amrchaos]

So somehow socialism, which was created by non practicing jews, is based on Christianity....

Im sure they were looking at Christianity as a source of their new political philosophy... right.

Maybe thos "non-pacticing jews" were Klepto-Christians!!! They probably had an underground church as well!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

So somehow socialism, which was created by non practicing jews, is based on Christianity....

Im sure they were looking at Christianity as a source of their new political philosophy... right.

Better ask St Peter about your statement, Avatar.

Acts 2:44-45 (King James Version)

44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

So what your saying is that Karl Marx, a non-practicing Jew, used the book of Acts to develop his economic theory?

Don't answer a question with a question until you actually address the question. Then ask the question. What you are demonstrating is that you can't answer why Peter practiced such a system. You also are going to have to dodge common-stock communalism in your church's early history.

You are digging a deep hole.

 

[sboyle24]

Karl Marx was a Christian?

Karl Marx and socialism are two very different things.

Marxism:|ˈmärkˌsizəm|
noun
the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.
Central to Marxist theory is an explanation of social change in terms of economic factors, according to which the means of production provide the economic base, which influences or determines the political and ideological superstructure. Marx and Engels predicted the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism by the proletariat and the eventual attainment of a classless communist society.



Socialism: |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Quick question.......if socialism is based in Christianity, then why is the Christian right so against it?

Oh yeah.........forgot...........they abandoned their ideals in the late 90's under the "greed is good" mantra.

 

[California Girl]

Quick question.......if socialism is based in Christianity, then why is the Christian right so against it?

Oh yeah.........forgot...........they abandoned their ideals in the late 90's under the "greed is good" mantra.

Do you ever manage to produce a logical post?

Socialism is not based on real Christianity. Moron.