Socialism vs capitalism... the grisly truth!

[francoHFW]

Yup, 3 wings of gov't, checks and balances. Duh.The only thing we need is an educated electorate....which dupes AIN'T.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Socialism has done better than the US model where again????

well you know liberals seem to think European Socialism is the snazziest model.....shall we take a look at Great Britain's Universal health care system for example?....gosh it is so cool i can hardly wait to get sick.....

Great Britain represents all that is good and bad with centralized, single-payer health care systems. Health care spending is fairly low (7.5% of GDP) and very equitable. Long wait lists for treatment, however are endemic and rationing pervades the system. Patients have little choice of provider and little access to specialists.

Percent Insured. ~100%

Funding. Great Britain has a single payer system funded by general revenues. With any centralized system, avoiding deficits is difficult. In 2006, Great Britain had a £700 million deficit despite the fact that health care spending increased by £43 billion over five years.

Private Insurance. 10% of Britons have private health insurance. Private health insurance replicates the coverage provided by the NHS, but gives patients access to higher quality care, and reduced waiting times.

Physician Compensation. Unlike in the case of other single payer systems such as Norway, most physicians and nurses are mostly government employees. In 2004, the NHS negotiated lower salaries for doctors in exchange for reduced work hours. Few physicians are available at night or on weekends. Because of low compensation, there is a significant shortage of specialists.

Physician Choice. Patients have very little physician choice. However, under the experimental London Patient Choice Project, patients waiting more than six months for treatment will be offered a choice of four different treatment providers.

Copayment/Deductibles. There are no deductibles and almost no copayments except for small copayments for prescription drugs, as well as for optical and dental care.

Waiting Times. Waiting lists are a huge problem in Great Britain. Some examples: 750,000 are on waiting lists for hospital admission; 40% of cancer patients are never able to see an oncologist; there is explicit rationing for services such as kidney dialysis, open heart surgery and care for the terminally ill. Further, minimum waiting times have been instituted to reduce costs. “A top-flight hospital like Suffolk Est PCT was ordered to impose a minimum waiting time of at least 122 days before patients could be treated or the hospital would lose a portion of its funding.”

Benefits Covered. The NHS system offers comprehensive coverage. Because of rationing, care might not be as easy to get as advertised. Terminally ill patients may be denied treatment. David Cameron has proposed that the NHS refuse treatment to smokers or the obese.

Health Care Around the World: Great Britain « Healthcare Economist

 

[francoHFW]

The UK's NHS is regularly screwed up by Tories (the modern world's SECOND worst party after Pubs), and is TOO cheaply run.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The UK's NHS is regularly screwed up by Tories (the modern world's SECOND worst party after Pubs), and is TOO cheaply run.

Deficits seem to be a Socialist's best friend....

 

[mex]

The UK's NHS is regularly screwed up by Tories (the modern world's SECOND worst party after Pubs), and is TOO cheaply run.

Deficits seem to be a Socialist's best friend....

he'll not respond to that point.... because it's the truth.

europe is on the verge of collapse... and all the socialist utopiae will soon be exposed.

with us right behind them.

and france-boy will still be blaming the pukes.

 

[francoHFW]

Thanks for the world depression, dupes. The UK need to spend 8.5%. Meanwhile, we're over 17%....great job, Pubbies!.

The biggest deficits anywhere are Reagan's and Boosh's (he's also responsible for 80% of Obama's. By far the worst pres EVER....

 

[American_Jihad]

"Socialism" Not So Negative, "Capitalism" Not So Positive


A Political Rhetoric Test
May 4, 2010

"Socialism" is a negative for most Americans, but certainly not all Americans. "Capitalism" is regarded positively by a majority of public, though it is a thin majority. Among certain segments of the public -- notably, young people and Democrats -- both "isms" are rated about equally. And while most Americans have a negative reaction to the word "militia," the term is viewed more positively by Republican men than most other groups.

These are among the findings of a national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press that tests reactions to words and phrases frequently used in current political discourse. Overall, 29% say they have a positive reaction to the word "socialism," while 59% react negatively. The public's impressions of "capitalism," though far more positive, are somewhat mixed. Slightly more than half (52%) react positively to the word "capitalism," compared with 37% who say they have a negative reaction.

A large majority of Republicans (77%) react negatively to "socialism," while 62% have a positive reaction to "capitalism." Democrats' impressions are more divided: In fact, about as many Democrats react positively to "socialism" (44%) as to "capitalism" (47%).

Reaction to "capitalism" is lukewarm among many demographic groups. Fewer than half of young people, women, people with lower incomes and those with less education react positively to "capitalism."

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"Socialism" Not So Negative, "Capitalism" Not So Positive - Pew Research Center

Now that the liberals have latched on to the word progressive I'M sure the negative has shot up on that chart in 2012...