Socialism is GOOD for EVERYONE!

[Modbert]

No comrade, the difference is those banks will (hopefully) be back private as soon as their worth something. The US government has no business owning them.

Capitalism is where you have the opportunity to make anything out of your life that your willing to work for. Even a welfare child in Hawaii can one day grow up to run for president of the US. And, there will be a peaceful succession of power to someone in January.

Just the mere ownership of the banks under definition is socialism.

Spin it all you want that they may not own them in the future, in the PRESENT it is socialism.

And stop trying to spin the dead myth of the American Dream. You know why they call it The American Dream? Because you have to be asleep to believe it.

So Comrade, you might want to recheck the facts. So not EVERY child has the same opportunity to be successful. Barack Obama is one of those rare cases when such a child rose from nothing to get where he is today.

(Oh by the way, somehow he is the Elitist? )

And if the racists and or extreme Christian Right of this country have anything to say about it, there will be no "peaceful succession" of power come January.

 

[Modbert]

I always thought of MLK as a hardcore socialist. Don't know about JFK, he was too busy trying to get the world blown up.

That evil MLK Jr. Such a evil wanting to take all your money socialist huh?



And nice try at a joke, but I'm pretty sure JFK got us through the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK can also be considered one of our greatest modern presidents if not of all time.

Though by what you said so far, it's not surprising that you seemingly have not opened a history book.

 

[alupka]

Capitalism is where you have the opportunity to make anything out of your life that your willing to work for. Even a welfare child in Hawaii can one day grow up to run for president of the US.

Exactly. Alexander Hamilton being an obvious example.

 

[Wade]

Just the mere ownership of the banks under definition is socialism.

Spin it all you want that they may not own them in the future, in the PRESENT it is socialism.

And stop trying to spin the dead myth of the American Dream. You know why they call it The American Dream? Because you have to be asleep to believe it.

So Comrade, you might want to recheck the facts. So not EVERY child has the same opportunity to be successful. Barack Obama is one of those rare cases when such a child rose from nothing to get where he is today.

(Oh by the way, somehow he is the Elitist? )

And if the racists and or extreme Christian Right of this country have anything to say about it, there will be no "peaceful succession" of power come January.

The American dream is that a welfare child can become an elitist, of course there are those that just become nice successful people also. The American Dream is still alive. But, there's a lot of haters out there trying to stamp it out one socialist decision at a time. They didn't do anything when Clinton took office, they'll just wait for this to cause the pendulum to swing back. It always does. Oh, and who's fear mongering?

 

[alupka]

Rather than debating the nuances of political theories from a freshman poli-sci class, can anyone explain to me, specifically and in practical terms, how Obama's policy of income redistribution is actually going to help working class people in the long-run?

Despite what anyone believes, I'm actually an independent voter and I would love for someone to make a reasonable and rational defense for his economic policies.

That was the reason I posted this in the first place.

Thank You.

 

[Annie]

That evil MLK Jr. Such a evil wanting to take all your money socialist huh?



And nice try at a joke, but I'm pretty sure JFK got us through the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK can also be considered one of our greatest modern presidents if not of all time.

Though by what you said so far, it's not surprising that you seemingly have not opened a history book.

Neither MLK, nor JFK were 'socialists.' JFK however was far from being one of our greatest modern presidents.

 

[Wade]

That evil MLK Jr. Such a evil wanting to take all your money socialist huh?



And nice try at a joke, but I'm pretty sure JFK got us through the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK can also be considered one of our greatest modern presidents if not of all time.

Though by what you said so far, it's not surprising that you seemingly have not opened a history book.

Any fool can gamble. The other side blinked. Not saying he didn't do the right thing, just his socialism was overshadowed. I did notice he pulled our missiles off the USSR boarder right after that. heh.

 

[editec]

Rather than debating the nuances of political theories from a freshman poli-sci class, can anyone explain to me, specifically and in practical terms, how Obama's policy of income redistribution is actually going to help working class people in the long-run?

Despite what anyone believes, I'm actually an independent voter and I would love for someone to make a reasonable and rational defense for his economic policies.

That was the reason I posted this in the first place.

Thank You.

His goal is to begin to balance the budget.

He believes that the very wealthy have enjoyed too many tax cuts and so, by increasing those taxes modestly, he hopes to solve that problem.

A balanced budget is in everyone's interests.

He's making vague noises like he's going to rethink our trade policies.

Now that really might help out this nation's working class, and by doing that, he will ALSO be doing much to help this nation balance its budget.

Once again, that balanced budget really will help out all Americans.

As to his tax cuts for the working class?

I can't believe he's going to pull that off, to be honest.

 

[Modbert]

The American dream is that a welfare child can become an elitist, of course there are those that just become nice successful people also. The American Dream is still alive. But, there's a lot of haters out there trying to stamp it out one socialist decision at a time. They didn't do anything when Clinton took office, they'll just wait for this to cause the pendulum to swing back. It always does. Oh, and who's fear mongering?

I am by far not fear mongering. It is public record that the most assassination attempts have occurred against Barack Obama.

Too many racists and extremists out there would rather die then see a Black man take office come January. So what's their solution?

Lone Wolf it. If you do not know what the term Lone wolf is, I suggest you look it up.

The American Dream died when Voodoo Economics (Trickle down otherwise known as Piss on Economics) were really put into effect by Reagan.

The average CEO makes 450 times more then the average American worker.

Foreclosures are occurring more and more.

The average american is not making enough to even off set the standard cost of living anymore.

Meanwhile, the Rich cry about having their tax rates raised at best 4%. Clinton did it, Bush 41 raised them 3% and guess what? Nobody died and the world did not come to a halting end.

Want to know something really interesting though to further my claim?

Top Marginal Tax Rate for Married couples has severely declined during the Reagan administration.

In 1981, in his first year it was 69.125%.

By 1982, it was 50%.

It stayed like this until 1987 where it was 38.5%

And in his final year of office in 1988, it was 28%.

A 41.125% decrease.

Bill Clinton raised it from 31% to 39.6% in 1993 which stayed constant until he left office. He was not called a socialist.

Dubya lowered it from 39.6 in 2001 to 35% in 2003.

So really, Obama is only proposing raising it back up to pre 2003 levels.

 

[Modbert]

Neither MLK, nor JFK were 'socialists.' JFK however was far from being one of our greatest modern presidents.

Both were however called socialists.

As is Obama called a Socialist.

Again, you pay taxes? You are a socialist.

Unless you don't believe in taxes, then therefore don't pay them and go to jail.

What a great socialist society we live in huh?

Oh and those banks being owned by Gov't? Under definition, Socialism.

 

[Annie]

Both were however called socialists.

As is Obama called a Socialist.

Again, you pay taxes? You are a socialist.

Unless you don't believe in taxes, then therefore don't pay them and go to jail.

What a great socialist society we live in huh?

Oh and those banks being owned by Gov't? Under definition, Socialism.

Well good for you, you understand. Now, how about applicability? JFK was not for redistributing income, though towards the end there was a compassionate side show, via his brother you use as an avatar. Like King, he wanted minorities to have a fair shake, which didn't include things Johnson/Nixon later threw in. But enforcement of Brown, damned right.

 

[Modbert]

Well good for you, you understand. Now, how about applicability? JFK was not for redistributing income, though towards the end there was a compassionate side show, via his brother you use as an avatar. Like King, he wanted minorities to have a fair shake, which didn't include things Johnson/Nixon later threw in. But enforcement of Brown, damned right.

So therefore by definition, our government and politicians are all socialist.

Except the ones who don't believe in taxes.

JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr wanted all minorities to have a fair shot like the white man did at the time.

However, the truth is that many people in their time called them socialists. They were later proven in history not to be. As will Barack Obama.

 

[alupka]

His goal is to begin to balance the budget.

He believes that the very wealthy have enjoyed too many tax cuts and so, by increasing those taxes modestly, he hopes to solve that problem.

A balanced budget is in everyone's interests.

Thank you for the relevant reply. Now, how is Obama going to balance the budget by raising taxes, which will lead to more businesses going overseas, which will cause more working class people to lose their jobs, which means more people will pay less in taxes AND spend less money, thereby forcing other business to make additional cutbacks?

And even if that was possible, how does he pull it off at the same time he's increasing government spending by hundreds of billions of dollars?

And his expansion of government is not an investment, it's a permanent added expense that will never go away until someone cuts the programs.

I know he said he would cut funding for some things and use that money to fund his new programs, but I looked into this thoroughly and it's simply not true. His new programs are going to cost considerably more than the programs he cuts.

So how does he balance the budget when he's eliminating jobs and spending more money?

Or to put it in more practical terms: I want to balance my personal budget at home, so I'm going to quit my job, buy a bigger house, hire a gardener and a maid, and then go shopping.

Clearly that wouldn't work. So why would it work for Obama?

What do most Americans do to balance their budget? The just spend less money. Why can't the government do that?

That's what McCain is proposing. To spend less money. To spend a LOT less money!

So how is Obama's plan better than McCain's plan? And why does McCain's plan not work, when it works for millions of ordinary people across the country?

Knowing the answers to those questions would be very helpful to me in making my decision. Thank you.

EDIT: I'm specifically referring to McCain's idea of spending freeze across the board except for vital services. I'm aware of his other programs which would require funding.

 

[Annie]

So therefore by definition, our government and politicians are all socialist.

Except the ones who don't believe in taxes.

JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr wanted all minorities to have a fair shot like the white man did at the time.

However, the truth is that many people in their time called them socialists. They were later proven in history not to be. As will Barack Obama.

Seriously, you don't have the nuances down, perhaps you don't want to?

 

[Chris]

Obama is not a socialist.

This is a bogus charge dreamed up by a campaign that has nothing left but lies.

 

[del]

you do know that during that six year period, not a single bill was put on the floor that needed a single democratic vote to pass, right?

no, i didn't do you have a link for that, please?

so what did the dems do for 6 years?

i've always been against the war and excess govt spending, so i'd agree with you there.

 

[Modbert]

Seriously, you don't have the nuances down, perhaps you don't want to?

Just curious, do you believe in sharing the wealth when development of resources occur?

 

[Annie]

Just curious, do you believe in sharing the wealth when development of resources occur?

Meaning? The government should confiscate the products of coal, oil, nuclear, electric companies? Is that what you mean?

 

[del]

Just curious, do you believe in sharing the wealth when development of resources occur?

sure, if it's mandated by the state constitution as in Alaska for the permanent Fund since 1976.
why do you ask?

 

[UShadItComing]

Socialism can't beat capitalism but it needs to be capitalism with a social responsibility. That is what the US system lacks and that is what too many Americans are still not coming to understand.

It's going to take a lot longer to break through the programming which Americans have succumbed to and start to understand why the country is failing.

The system and the country are failing the people.