Socialism is evil

[Big Fitz]

When private property is eliminated, all men are slaves to the state.

When public power is eliminated, all people are slaves to the corporation

Yep. Another passage from the book of Sane?Nah!

You do realize by your statement, you are admitting if you were given private property rights, you would abuse them for corrupt and evil intent, right?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

So all Republicans are black

Did you know MLK was a Republican?

All republicans are black is stupid .. and has nothing to do with your question.

Come with me to skip through time and history.

At one time, nearly ALL African-Americans were republicans. The Republican Party was founded as an anti-slavery party.

At one time the Republican Party sort of made sense .. even up to the day of Dr. King.

One of my civil rights heroes was a conservative Senator from Illinois, Everett Dirksen .. at one time.

But that's all ancient history, altered by Nixon's southern strategy.

We return you now to the present .. where the Republican Party is a mere shadow of its former self.

So MLK was right then but he would be wrong now to be a Republican?

Did you know before 1960 Blacks had a lower illegitimate rate than whites, a higher employment rate than whites and a lower divorce rate than whites


But, yeah sure is a good thing they joined the Democrats

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation from 1970 - 2010 COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this game with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

 

[uscitizen]

Not at all,

one could achieve that same goal with school vouchers for everyone

which is still socialism.
Most parents school taxes paid do not come near to the actual const of educating their child. If they did people without children would not have to pay any school tax.

Not at all, it is no more "socialist" than say the military.
The free market allows for things public goods and natural monopolies.
It is nothing more than creating access to a "public good"

Granted, one could argue that it is statist but socialist, no.

It is smarter move and more market orientated than say creating a huge Federal Dep't that spends a lot of money and has little to show for it

sort of like we have now

So you do support socialism then?
And support the non limited for the welfare of the citizens part of the constitution?

Most all of the money the US govt spends on domestic issues is rolled back into the economy. We have lots to show for it. Schools, dams, roads, etc.

 

[Neotrotsky]

All republicans are black is stupid .. and has nothing to do with your question.

Come with me to skip through time and history.

At one time, nearly ALL African-Americans were republicans. The Republican Party was founded as an anti-slavery party.

At one time the Republican Party sort of made sense .. even up to the day of Dr. King.

One of my civil rights heroes was a conservative Senator from Illinois, Everett Dirksen .. at one time.

But that's all ancient history, altered by Nixon's southern strategy.

We return you now to the present .. where the Republican Party is a mere shadow of its former self.

So MLK was right then but he would be wrong now to be a Republican?

Did you know before 1960 Blacks had a lower illegitimate rate than whites, a higher employment rate than whites and a lower divorce rate than whites


But, yeah sure is a good thing they joined the Democrats

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this gane with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

Perhaps you should keep drinking the "kool-aid" of Democrats if you think that Blacks have done better as a group by voting for them

What is the unemployment rate today
What is the illegitimate rate today
What is the divorce rate today


I guess since Obama is black, the Democrats can use blacks anyway they want now - don' they call that being someone's bitch



How do I am white?

 

[xotoxi]

MLK Jr. was a Socialist.

What about MLK Sr.?

 

[sangha]

Karl Marx (who have heard of him -right)

Said that Socialism is the transitional stage required to get to Communism.

If act, most orthodox Marxists, socialism is the lower stage of communism


No need to thank me

Neo agrees with Marx!!! Neo also agrees with "most orthodox Marxists"

Neo must be a commie!!!

How do you know I am not not now or have been a commie?

I agree with Marx 100% that socialism is ultimately a means that will lead to some type of statism

Perhaps, if you really understood what the terms socialism, free market and such really meant, you would not sound so foolish.

Using your logic, if one can call it that, Washingtonian was a socialist because of the Whiskey Tax

You are a commie. That's what I said

I guess commies are good at reading

 

[JamesInFlorida]

The school system, and military aren't socialist. Socialism needs the workers to be the owners. For example if your company makes floor tiles-every single employee would own a equal part of the tile. They then vote on all workers of the company together. The school system and the military do not do this.

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.

"The organisation of society in such a manner that any individual, man or woman, finds at birth equal means for the development of their respective faculties and the utilisation of their labour. The organisation of society in such a manner that the exploitation by one person of the labour of his neighbour would be impossible, and where everyone will be allowed to enjoy the social wealth only to the extent of their contribution to the production of that wealth."

-Bebel

Socialism while it may be a nice idea, is not realistic. If one really reads into socialism that's probably the message you'll get-yes it would be great if we all got along, didn't need more than the other people, yadda yadda yadda-but it's not ever going to happen.

You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.[/quote]

("These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be generally applicable.")

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

-Marx

I've made the above areas which the US doesn't have appear as bold. So we have 1/10. Yup we really are a socialist country!

Well certain aspects of socialism and communism are the same, but the end result is different. In socialism the society as a whole decides who owns what resources, gets what they need, etc. In Communism the government decides who owns what land, and get what resources.

Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

"The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences in wealth will still persist, but the exploitation of man by man will have become impossible because it will be impossible to seize the means of production – the factories, machines, land, etc. – and make them private property.... Marx shows the course of development of communist society....which [firstly] consists in the distribution of consumer goods "according to the amount of labor performed" (and not [yet] according to needs)."

"But the scientific distinction between socialism and communism is clear. What is usually called socialism was termed by marx the "first", or lower, phase of communist society. Insofar as the means of production becomes common property, the word "communism" is also applicable here, providing we do not forget that this is not complete communism."

-Lenin



A lot of people don't really understand what true socialism means.

 

[sangha]

Liberalsim = socialism
Socialism = involuntary servitude
Involuntary servitude = slavery
Slavery = the antithesis of liberty
Thus
Liberalism = the antithesis of Liberty.

I'm sure Harry Dresden will be calling this one out soon

 

[sangha]

The school system, and military aren't socialist. Socialism needs the workers to be the owners. For example if your company makes floor tiles-every single employee would own a equal part of the tile. They then vote on all workers of the company together. The school system and the military do not do this.

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.

"The organisation of society in such a manner that any individual, man or woman, finds at birth equal means for the development of their respective faculties and the utilisation of their labour. The organisation of society in such a manner that the exploitation by one person of the labour of his neighbour would be impossible, and where everyone will be allowed to enjoy the social wealth only to the extent of their contribution to the production of that wealth."

-Bebel

Socialism while it may be a nice idea, is not realistic. If one really reads into socialism that's probably the message you'll get-yes it would be great if we all got along, didn't need more than the other people, yadda yadda yadda-but it's not ever going to happen.

You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.

("These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be generally applicable.")

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

-Marx

I've made the above areas which the US doesn't have appear as bold. So we have 1/10. Yup we really are a socialist country!

Well certain aspects of socialism and communism are the same, but the end result is different. In socialism the society as a whole decides who owns what resources, gets what they need, etc. In Communism the government decides who owns what land, and get what resources.

Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

"The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences in wealth will still persist, but the exploitation of man by man will have become impossible because it will be impossible to seize the means of production – the factories, machines, land, etc. – and make them private property.... Marx shows the course of development of communist society....which [firstly] consists in the distribution of consumer goods "according to the amount of labor performed" (and not [yet] according to needs)."

"But the scientific distinction between socialism and communism is clear. What is usually called socialism was termed by marx the "first", or lower, phase of communist society. Insofar as the means of production becomes common property, the word "communism" is also applicable here, providing we do not forget that this is not complete communism."

-Lenin



A lot of people don't really understand what true socialism means.[/QUOTE]

And another wingnut speaks out in support of Marx!!!

Who knew the right was riddled with Marxists?

 

[sangha]

The school system, and military aren't socialist. Socialism needs the workers to be the owners. For example if your company makes floor tiles-every single employee would own a equal part of the tile. They then vote on all workers of the company together. The school system and the military do not do this.

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.

You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.

Well certain aspects of socialism and communism are the same, but the end result is different. In socialism the society as a whole decides who owns what resources, gets what they need, etc. In Communism the government decides who owns what land, and get what resources.

Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

were do you get this stuff- DNC talking points, Huff and Puff?

So now Marx, was wrong- let me guess he was a right-winger


Describing how one wants socialism to be does not make it so

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and yours sticks

You heard it here!!

MARX WAS RIGHT!!!!!

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.

"The organisation of society in such a manner that any individual, man or woman, finds at birth equal means for the development of their respective faculties and the utilisation of their labour. The organisation of society in such a manner that the exploitation by one person of the labour of his neighbour would be impossible, and where everyone will be allowed to enjoy the social wealth only to the extent of their contribution to the production of that wealth."

-Bebel



You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.

("These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be generally applicable.")

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

-Marx

I've made the above areas which the US doesn't have appear as bold. So we have 1/10. Yup we really are a socialist country!

Well certain aspects of socialism and communism are the same, but the end result is different. In socialism the society as a whole decides who owns what resources, gets what they need, etc. In Communism the government decides who owns what land, and get what resources.

Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

"The first phase of communism, therefore, cannot yet provide justice and equality; differences, and unjust differences in wealth will still persist, but the exploitation of man by man will have become impossible because it will be impossible to seize the means of production – the factories, machines, land, etc. – and make them private property.... Marx shows the course of development of communist society....which [firstly] consists in the distribution of consumer goods "according to the amount of labor performed" (and not [yet] according to needs)."

"But the scientific distinction between socialism and communism is clear. What is usually called socialism was termed by marx the "first", or lower, phase of communist society. Insofar as the means of production becomes common property, the word "communism" is also applicable here, providing we do not forget that this is not complete communism."

-Lenin



A lot of people don't really understand what true socialism means.[/QUOTE]

And another wingnut speaks out in support of Marx!!!

Who knew the right was riddled with Marxists?

Actually I'm a moderate democrat...nice try. I even voted for Obama (and probably will again unless the GOP runs Romney). You can go box people in somewhere else now.

Oh and knowing about Marx, Lenin, Bebel, etc. doesn't make me a marxist. I know about Hitler-does that mean I support his ideas? I have to know these things (being a social studies teacher).

And if that's the only response you have to my post-at least grow up and admit when you're wrong. I can't stand people who say we're a socialist country but have almost zero understanding of the economically system.

 

[sangha]

Actually I'm a moderate democrat...nice try. I even voted for Obama (and probably will again unless the GOP runs Romney). You can go box people in somewhere else now.

Like I said, you're a wingnut

Oh and knowing about Marx, Lenin, Bebel, etc. doesn't make me a marxist. I know about Hitler-does that mean I support his ideas? I have to know these things (being a social studies teacher).

Knowing about them doesn't make you a marxist. Citing them as the final authoritiies on Socialism makes you a marxist. After, a marxist is one who agrees with marx, as you are doing here.

If you had agrees with Hitlers ideas, I would call you a Nazi. You didn't, so I didn't. You did agree with Marxs' ideas. You're a Marxist

And if that's the only response you have to my post-at least grow up and admit when you're wrong. I can't stand people who say we're a socialist country but have almost zero understanding of the economically system.

Like a True Wingnut, all you have is your claim of knowledge; Let me know when you have something to back up your wingnut claims

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A socialist society is a social structure organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making (adhocracy) and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical and bureaucratic forms of administration and governance; the extent of which varies in different types of socialism.[4][5] This ranges from the establishment of cooperative management structures in the economy to the abolition of all hierarchical structures in favor of free association.

As an economic system, socialism is a system of production and allocation based on the direct production of use-values by allocating economic inputs, the means of production and investment through planning to directly satisfy economic demand.[clarification needed] Economic calculation is based on either calculation-in-kind, some physical magnitude or a direct measure of labour time.[6][7][clarification needed] Output for individual consumption is distributed through markets, and distribution of income is based on individual merit or individual contribution.[8]

As you can see, there is no requirement to abolish real estate in private hands or abolish inheritance laws.

Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

MW gives your definition as only one of three appropriate definitions, so obviously, Marxs definition is not universally accepted

 

[BlackAsCoal]

The school system, and military aren't socialist. Socialism needs the workers to be the owners. For example if your company makes floor tiles-every single employee would own a equal part of the tile. They then vote on all workers of the company together. The school system and the military do not do this.

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.

Socialism while it may be a nice idea, is not realistic. If one really reads into socialism that's probably the message you'll get-yes it would be great if we all got along, didn't need more than the other people, yadda yadda yadda-but it's not ever going to happen.

You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.

Well certain aspects of socialism and communism are the same, but the end result is different. In socialism the society as a whole decides who owns what resources, gets what they need, etc. In Communism the government decides who owns what land, and get what resources.

Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

You should be charging them for this education. :0)

 

[sangha]

The school system, and military aren't socialist. Socialism needs the workers to be the owners. For example if your company makes floor tiles-every single employee would own a equal part of the tile. They then vote on all workers of the company together. The school system and the military do not do this.

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.



You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.

Well certain aspects of socialism and communism are the same, but the end result is different. In socialism the society as a whole decides who owns what resources, gets what they need, etc. In Communism the government decides who owns what land, and get what resources.

Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

You should be charging them for this education. :0)

It's impossible to educate a wingnut. They were put on this earth to be made fun of. That's what gets them

 

[Big Fitz]

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.



You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.



Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

You should be charging them for this education. :0)

It's impossible to educate a wingnut. They were put on this earth to be made fun of. That's what gets them

Well thank you for explaining the reason you're the way you are.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Actually I'm a moderate democrat...nice try. I even voted for Obama (and probably will again unless the GOP runs Romney). You can go box people in somewhere else now.

Like I said, you're a wingnut

Oh and knowing about Marx, Lenin, Bebel, etc. doesn't make me a marxist. I know about Hitler-does that mean I support his ideas? I have to know these things (being a social studies teacher).

Knowing about them doesn't make you a marxist. Citing them as the final authoritiies on Socialism makes you a marxist. After, a marxist is one who agrees with marx, as you are doing here.

If you had agrees with Hitlers ideas, I would call you a Nazi. You didn't, so I didn't. You did agree with Marxs' ideas. You're a Marxist

And if that's the only response you have to my post-at least grow up and admit when you're wrong. I can't stand people who say we're a socialist country but have almost zero understanding of the economically system.

Like a True Wingnut, all you have is your claim of knowledge; Let me know when you have something to back up your wingnut claims

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A socialist society is a social structure organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making (adhocracy) and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical and bureaucratic forms of administration and governance; the extent of which varies in different types of socialism.[4][5] This ranges from the establishment of cooperative management structures in the economy to the abolition of all hierarchical structures in favor of free association.

As an economic system, socialism is a system of production and allocation based on the direct production of use-values by allocating economic inputs, the means of production and investment through planning to directly satisfy economic demand.[clarification needed] Economic calculation is based on either calculation-in-kind, some physical magnitude or a direct measure of labour time.[6][7][clarification needed] Output for individual consumption is distributed through markets, and distribution of income is based on individual merit or individual contribution.[8]

As you can see, there is no requirement to abolish real estate in private hands or abolish inheritance laws.

Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

MW gives your definition as only one of three appropriate definitions, so obviously, Marxs definition is not universally accepted

1. I never agreed with Marx. Point out where in my post I did-I CLEARLY said it's a nice idea-but not realistic. Therefore I ultimately do NOT agree with Marx.

2. In your post you prove that the allocation of the goods is subject to the workers, who don't necesarrily work throught the government (as you once said).

3. You think MW dictionary in a few sentences can sum up socialism better than those who actually contributed to the economic system up with the idea for socialism?

4. Tell you what-you provided the wikipedia link. Show me where it says private property ownership for the individual is on the page? I didn't find it. Good job-you really proved your point with that one.

edit: also find me where it says it's the government that decides who gets what resources in socialism-a claim you also made.

You provided the link-not me. Now I'm asking you to read your own source of information.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

So MLK was right then but he would be wrong now to be a Republican?

Did you know before 1960 Blacks had a lower illegitimate rate than whites, a higher employment rate than whites and a lower divorce rate than whites


But, yeah sure is a good thing they joined the Democrats

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this gane with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

Perhaps you should keep drinking the "kool-aid" of Democrats if you think that Blacks have done better as a group by voting for them

What is the unemployment rate today
What is the illegitimate rate today
What is the divorce rate today


I guess since Obama is black, the Democrats can use blacks anyway they want now - don' they call that being someone's bitch



How do I am white?

You ignorance of history and life are meaningless. Your rant is ignorant as fuck. We were better off in 1960?

Today, African-Americans participate in every career and political pursuit. We excel and redefine many. We've only been relatively free for 45 years and if you don't see the tremendous gains made in just 45 years .. it's because you're a moron .. a racist one.

No one wants your company or affinity. We don't aspire to be you.

Are there still problems? Of course there are .. we've only been "free" for 45 years .. but no one wants to go back to 1960.

Your problem isn't that you don't see the progress .. your problem is that you do and it eats away at your cancerous soul.

Stormfront is calling you.

 

[sangha]

1) You cited Marx's definition of socialism and said it was the correct definition

How is that not agreeing with Marx?

2) My quote says nothing about allocation being "subject to workers" I have no idea what you're talking about.

3) You are mistating what I wrote. I did not say that MW's definition was authoritative or final, the way you presented Marxs' definition. I posted the link to show that socialism is not as clearly defined as the Marxists like you would like to think

4) Show me where it says that private property is prohibited.

 

[sangha]

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this gane with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

Perhaps you should keep drinking the "kool-aid" of Democrats if you think that Blacks have done better as a group by voting for them

What is the unemployment rate today
What is the illegitimate rate today
What is the divorce rate today


I guess since Obama is black, the Democrats can use blacks anyway they want now - don' they call that being someone's bitch



How do I am white?

You ignorance of history and life are meaningless. Your rant is ignorant as fuck. We were better off in 1960?

Today, African-Americans participate in every career and political pursuit. We excel and redefine many. We've only been relatively free for 45 years and if you don't see the tremendous gains made in just 45 years .. it's because you're a moron .. a racist one.

No one wants your company or affinity. We don't aspire to be you.

Are there still problems? Of course there are .. we've only been "free" for 45 years .. but no one wants to go back to 1960.

Your problem isn't that you don't see the progress .. your problem is that you do and it eats away at your cancerous soul.

Stormfront is calling you.

This is the wingnut who thinks all cats are tigers. You are wasting your time trying to educate him

Someone who thinks all cats are tigers should have their stupidity ridicule, not patronized

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Socialism doesn't require something to be owned by the workerrs. It requires public (ie throught the govt) ownership and control.



You're in denial. It has already happened. The US is a socialist nation. One of many.



Wrong. Socalism is a belief system about the role of govt. It holds that govt should be put in service to the social good. Communism is an economic system that promotes the equal ownership (by "the people") of the means of production, and the fair distribution of what's produced

You should be charging them for this education. :0)

It's impossible to educate a wingnut. They were put on this earth to be made fun of. That's what gets them

You might have noticed that I take great pleasure in them as well.

They should be charging us for the comedy.