Socialism by any definition

[elvis]

I think your talking about the 700 billion dollar bank buyout. I was refering to the 300 billion dollar home morgage buyout plan which has not been implemented. It is his plan if he becomes president.

And even if Obama did vote for his plan, that would make the argument "Obama and I are socialsts" not "Obama is a socialst"

i think they are both socialists. it is the degree that is in question. I think obama is more socialist.

 

[Diuretic]

They shouldn't. It's pretty complicated...we (the USA) are supposed to get royalties from the oil companies for "allowing" them to drill on national lands. For whatever reason they seem to weasel out of paying them. Alaska's drilling goes on on state land, so they got to make their own deal. Offshore drilling, even though it impacts the surrounding states, usually doesn't result into a payout to the States' citizens because the offshore land is under federal juridiction.

Of course a corporation will do whatever it can to avoid meeting its obligations. That's one reason they shouldn't be allowed to own a country's natural resources.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

"Socialism" means nothing in American discourse anymore; it's nothing more than a cheapened slur.

 

[Skeptik]

"Socialism" means nothing in American discourse anymore; it's nothing more than a cheapened slur.

Exactly right. Even when someone posts the actual definition, people tend to ignore it and continue babbling and posting opinions based on their own faulty understanding to the concept of socialism.

Real socialism is nearly extinct in the modern world anyway.

 

[xaxeptance449]

Exactly right. Even when someone posts the actual definition, people tend to ignore it and continue babbling and posting opinions based on their own faulty understanding to the concept of socialism.

Real socialism is nearly extinct in the modern world anyway.

How long did it take you to either find this definition you posted and or how long did it take you to decide to post only the part that upholds your opinion? Here it is from Miriam Webster in it's entirety.

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

 

[xaxeptance449]

According to dictionary.com:

1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

 

[Skeptik]

How long did it take you to either find this definition you posted and or how long did it take you to decide to post only the part that upholds your opinion? Here it is from Miriam Webster in it's entirety.

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

About as long as it took to discover that the "socialism" being discussed on this thread has nothing to do with the definition given above.

 

[GigiBowman]

i think they are both socialists. it is the degree that is in question. I think obama is more socialist.

Bingo, you win!