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What exactly did the Democrats do to Social Security? Curious. I mean, you say THEY bankrupted it somehow, well, how: surely the informed can be specific?
FDR created Socialist Security.
FDR was a Democrat with a Democrat House and Senate.
FDR unconstitutionally usurped the power of the Supreme Court by stacking it with his cronies so that Socialist Security would be approved.
LBJ began the process of raiding the Socialist Security surplus in an "accounting maneuver" to lower his deficits.
LBJ was a Democrat.
Don't see how anyone else is to blame except the Democrats.
No wait I have it now - it's the fault of conservatives who live too long. If they would just all die at 64 the way they are supposed to, then everything would be fine.
Social security is broken and must be reformed. The age of receipt must be raised, the trust should be allowed to invest in other securities besides low yielding government liabilities, and accounts should be set up so that people can privately manage their investments instead of the government.
Frank, do you run a business?
Social Security is paying out more than it takes in. Started this way 12 months before Obama took office.
Fault of the entire country.
Democrats want to raise taxes and Republicans do not.
Frank, please tell us where every penny of social security income comes from. Could it be from taxes?
Is social security a tax?
I am quite confused why all of you are so wrapped up in who's fault this is.
It is irrelevant.
The only thing that is relevant is how we can resolve the issue. And other than increasing taxes or increasing FICA contribution percentages, I do not see any other solution.
I am strating to wonder if both parties prefer that we get caught up in blame so they dont have to tell us the truth. Social Security will be a thing of the past and all of those that have been putting into it and not yet received their benefits as they have not yet reached the age are going to lose all they put in.
In addition, I would like to add: It sure seems to me that both parties want a divide in the people. Not sure what gain there is to that, but I see very little action out of either party that demonstrates anything different.
I am quite confused why all of you are so wrapped up in who's fault this is.
It is irrelevant.
The only thing that is relevant is how we can resolve the issue. And other than increasing taxes or increasing FICA contribution percentages, I do not see any other solution.
I am strating to wonder if both parties prefer that we get caught up in blame so they dont have to tell us the truth. Social Security will be a thing of the past and all of those that have been putting into it and not yet received their benefits as they have not yet reached the age are going to lose all they put in.
In addition, I would like to add: It sure seems to me that both parties want a divide in the people. Not sure what gain there is to that, but I see very little action out of either party that demonstrates anything different.
I think I posted some ideas: close some programs and stop funding new ones
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I am quite confused why all of you are so wrapped up in who's fault this is.
It is irrelevant.
The only thing that is relevant is how we can resolve the issue. And other than increasing taxes or increasing FICA contribution percentages, I do not see any other solution.
I am strating to wonder if both parties prefer that we get caught up in blame so they dont have to tell us the truth. Social Security will be a thing of the past and all of those that have been putting into it and not yet received their benefits as they have not yet reached the age are going to lose all they put in.
In addition, I would like to add: It sure seems to me that both parties want a divide in the people. Not sure what gain there is to that, but I see very little action out of either party that demonstrates anything different.
Of course both are to blame, it's been around for 60 effin' years. But you can't take away the baby's toys (gotcha's!!) when it comes to solving adult problems. Let them continue their waa waa my side's better than yours threads as problems await magical solutions.
I think I posted some ideas: close some programs and stop funding new ones
Easy to say, but I'm sure you're clueless the cause and effect of closing the programs, don't know which ones would garner how many dollars and what the negative effects would be. You can just say things all day long, it doesn't make the solutions realistic or practical until you have some empirical data.
Real life requires study before action, not just bickering and generalities.
Yes. But the question is: Do our politicians realize what they are doing in regard to the divide it is creating with the people? Or are they too naive to realize it?
Either way, it is not a good thing.
Like I said, the roof is falling in and Obama and the Dems are out buying new plasma TV for every room in the house.
Like I said, the roof is falling in and Obama and the Dems are out buying new plasma TV for every room in the house.
Except, there's no real basis behind that. The roof has been fixed and there's still some leaks. It's no longer falling in. The plasma's are said by the CBO to actually lower the debt by-way of future cost savings and I won't pretend to qualify myself as an economist fully studied on 3, 000 pages to disagree like these rational mature adults do, just to justify whatever "their side" says.
You did mention ABANDONING socialist security as a solution, but you seem to not want that one.The only thing that is relevant is how we can resolve the issue. And other than increasing taxes or increasing FICA contribution percentages, I do not see any other solution.
Huh?
There's no money in the Social Security Trust Fund!!!!
There are only IOU's and we just added another massive program on top of a massive Stimulus on top of a massive TARP that still has US banking in a fucking seizure!
Yes. But the question is: Do our politicians realize what they are doing in regard to the divide it is creating with the people? Or are they too naive to realize it?
Either way, it is not a good thing.
You'd wish grown-ups in Message forums and such, and on TV and Radio, wouldn't be too naive to realize it either also. But shitting in one hand, wishing in the other......yadda yaddaaaaa..
Yes. But the question is: Do our politicians realize what they are doing in regard to the divide it is creating with the people? Or are they too naive to realize it?
Either way, it is not a good thing.
You'd wish grown-ups in Message forums and such, and on TV and Radio, wouldn't be too naive to realize it either also. But shitting in one hand, wishing in the other......yadda yaddaaaaa..
Message forums: A place to confirm you are right. Nothing more.
TV and Radio commentary shows: Create sensationalism; create viewership; create revenue
News Media: Just dont get what is in it for them. But when I saw what my local TV news station reported on about the Tea Party and compared it to what was really there, I was floored. It created much anger on both sides.
No, I did not attend a tea party. I was at work and came out to see what it was all about. And I can tell you one thing for sure. My local news was not at the same scene I was. But they said they were. And I saw them there. But they sure as heck did not report it as it was.
What is in it for the news media?
You'd wish grown-ups in Message forums and such, and on TV and Radio, wouldn't be too naive to realize it either also. But shitting in one hand, wishing in the other......yadda yaddaaaaa..
Message forums: A place to confirm you are right. Nothing more.
TV and Radio commentary shows: Create sensationalism; create viewership; create revenue
News Media: Just dont get what is in it for them. But when I saw what my local TV news station reported on about the Tea Party and compared it to what was really there, I was floored. It created much anger on both sides.
No, I did not attend a tea party. I was at work and came out to see what it was all about. And I can tell you one thing for sure. My local news was not at the same scene I was. But they said they were. And I saw them there. But they sure as heck did not report it as it was.
What is in it for the news media?
They want ratings like anyone else, and have to create stories out of non-stories. A rather sucky dynamic if you ask me.
....The CBO says that Healthcare Reform will shrink the Debt....
....The CBO says that Healthcare Reform will shrink the Debt....
Garbage In... Garbage Out. Simple as that.
