Social Democrat here

[MajinLink]

I thought it was welfare state red bastard? Yes I am a Capitalistic Welfarist

 

[Ringel05]

Many have shunned Social Democracy. I know my history, and modern social democracy and fascism are polar opposites.

Learn more history kiddo.

EDIT: And a question...


Just what is it about Social Democracy that appeals to you?

are you saying modern social democracy is like fascism? Take in account that in most social democratic country, Norway has a maximum prison sentence of 21 years, no death penalty, the police do not normally carry guns, is one of the most peaceful countries on earth, ranks high on the democracy index, and has one of the highest if not the highest standard of living. Are any of those things fascist?

I know there are corruptions and exceptions in any form of government, but fascism is defiantly on the far-right on social issues.

As far as what appeals to me about social democracy is the equality in stuff like health care and education. Not to mention it promotes economic democracy as well, instead of economic dictatorship. Mixed economies are the way to go, supporters of true free markets, don't realize that that Capitalism spawned Socialism. If workers were not treated like dirt then they wouldn't have formed unions, if governments had cared about their people they wouldn't have rebelled, and if companies cared more about their customers than their profits they wouldn't have to be regulated.

Number one, Norway is not nor have they every been like the US in terms of culture, social structure and collective historical development. Plus with it's relative size in comparison to the US.........
Number two, despite what some say trade unions are not by definition socialist, they are conglomerates composed of workers whos business it is to bargain on their behalf.
Number three, other than the Civil War when did citizens of this country rebel against their government?
Number four, most companies understand the simple concept of keeping the customer happy and the negative results they face if they don't do this. Only monopolistic entities seem to be uncaring and eventually will be broken up when their customers have had enough and those customers' elected representatives are pressured to act. If those reps don't or won't act then they are generally replaced by those who will.
Number five, here's what you're trying to sell.

 

[JBeukema]

Took you long enough to decide which answer would be more politically expedient.

 

[JBeukema]

Number two, despite what some say trade unions are not by definition socialist, they are conglomerates composed of workers whos business it is to bargain on their behalf.

Historically, they were full of communists.

The Wobblies

Number three, other than the Civil War when did citizens of this country rebel against their government?

First there was the War for Independence. There was also the Bacon Rebellion and another of other skirmishes throughout American history.

Also, he never said he was only referring to events within what is now the USA.

Number four, most companies understand the simple concept of keeping the customer happy and the negative results they face if they don't do this.

That's why we had to make lead illegal to try to get rid of it?

Only monopolistic entities seem to be uncaring and eventually will be broken up when their customers have had enough and those customers' elected representatives are pressured to act.

ah... legislation... regulation... so much for the magical free market...

 

[eagleseven]

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[Ringel05]

Number two, despite what some say trade unions are not by definition socialist, they are conglomerates composed of workers whos business it is to bargain on their behalf.

Historically, they were full of communists.

The Wobblies

Number three, other than the Civil War when did citizens of this country rebel against their government?

First there was the War for Independence. There was also the Bacon Rebellion and another of other skirmishes throughout American history.

Also, he never said he was only referring to events within what is now the USA.

Number four, most companies understand the simple concept of keeping the customer happy and the negative results they face if they don't do this.

That's why we had to make lead illegal to try to get rid of it?

Only monopolistic entities seem to be uncaring and eventually will be broken up when their customers have had enough and those customers' elected representatives are pressured to act.

ah... legislation... regulation... so much for the magical free market...

Limited legislation and regulation has never been a bad thing and I guess you weren't around back when most companies had realized the dangers of lead and had or were in the process of eliminating it. Only a few hold outs that were indeed putting profits ahead of safety were the cause of lead elimination in products by the government.
I was only addressing the one major event in relation to revolt that affected the entire country and yes I know he didn't specifically mean the US but hey, that's where I am.....
Where did I say the free market was magical and worked as an idyllic model? Where have I said that concerning any human construct?

 

[MajinLink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAWXfV_Qnl8

funny thing is that episode aired in Japan on the exact day I was born

 

[JBeukema]

Limited legislation and regulation has never been a bad thing

Without it, there can be no free market.

and I guess you weren't around back when most companies had realized the dangers of lead and had or were in the process of eliminating it.

Right... that's why they import it whenever they can.

Only a few hold outs that were indeed putting profits ahead of safety were the cause of lead elimination in products by the government.
I was only addressing the one major event in relation to revolt that affected the entire country and yes I know he didn't specifically mean the US but hey, that's where I am.....

Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Communists, and some Classical Liberals see themselves as members of the human race and see the need to improve the human condition for everyone, not just those with the same colour skin or born on the same side of some imaginary line in the sand. Most socialists and all humanists reject such nationalist concepts, although the extent to which they would do away with nation-states and the distinction between separate societies varies..

 

[JBeukema]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAWXfV_Qnl8

funny thing is that episode aired in Japan on the exact day I was born

You seem awfully interested in avoiding discussing your actual views.

Why is that?

 

[MajinLink]

Disrespectful questioning and pushiness probably has something to do with it

 

[Ringel05]

Limited legislation and regulation has never been a bad thing

Without it, there can be no free market.

and I guess you weren't around back when most companies had realized the dangers of lead and had or were in the process of eliminating it.

Right... that's why they import it whenever they can.

Only a few hold outs that were indeed putting profits ahead of safety were the cause of lead elimination in products by the government.
I was only addressing the one major event in relation to revolt that affected the entire country and yes I know he didn't specifically mean the US but hey, that's where I am.....

Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Communists, and some Classical Liberals see themselves as members of the human race and see the need to improve the human condition for everyone, not just those with the same colour skin or born on the same side of some imaginary line in the sand. Most socialists and all humanists reject such nationalist concepts, although the extent to which they would do away with nation-states and the distinction between separate societies varies..

Why they import it? You need a much expanded education concerning this issue before you start throwing blame around.
On a personal level I could give a shit about how Social Democrats and all the rest view themselves, but thanks for the info anywho.

 

[California Girl]

A pinko socko. Cute.

 

[JBeukema]

Really? I smell cowardice and bullshit.

 

[JBeukema]

Limited legislation and regulation has never been a bad thing

Without it, there can be no free market.

Right... that's why they import it whenever they can.

Only a few hold outs that were indeed putting profits ahead of safety were the cause of lead elimination in products by the government.
I was only addressing the one major event in relation to revolt that affected the entire country and yes I know he didn't specifically mean the US but hey, that's where I am.....

Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Communists, and some Classical Liberals see themselves as members of the human race and see the need to improve the human condition for everyone, not just those with the same colour skin or born on the same side of some imaginary line in the sand. Most socialists and all humanists reject such nationalist concepts, although the extent to which they would do away with nation-states and the distinction between separate societies varies..

Why they import it? You need a much expanded education concerning this issue before you start throwing blame around.

You deny that lead and other toxic substances have a way of ending up in goods imported from China, where there are no meaningful regulations enforced?

 

[Ringel05]

Without it, there can be no free market.

Right... that's why they import it whenever they can.Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Communists, and some Classical Liberals see themselves as members of the human race and see the need to improve the human condition for everyone, not just those with the same colour skin or born on the same side of some imaginary line in the sand. Most socialists and all humanists reject such nationalist concepts, although the extent to which they would do away with nation-states and the distinction between separate societies varies..

Why they import it? You need a much expanded education concerning this issue before you start throwing blame around.

You deny that lead and other toxic substances have a way of ending up in goods imported from China, where there are no meaningful regulations enforced?

Of course not. Maybe I misunderstood but it appeared you were blaming our corporations for Chinas' bull shit. Our Corps, who after discovering Chinese manufacturers were not abiding by the trade rules started testing on delivered products and if lead was found did recalls or started testing before the shit hit the shelves.

 

[Zander]

You know that the 6th Congress of the Comintern declared Social Democracy and Fascism to be twin sisters, puppets of the corporate/capitalist machine therefore enemies of the Communist ideal.
Just a little bit of history.

Many have shunned Social Democracy. I know my history, and modern social democracy and fascism are polar opposites.

Learn more history kiddo.

EDIT: And a question...


Just what is it about Social Democracy that appeals to you?

Well dah!! It's the redistribution of income, silly.

 

[JBeukema]

Why they import it? You need a much expanded education concerning this issue before you start throwing blame around.

You deny that lead and other toxic substances have a way of ending up in goods imported from China, where there are no meaningful regulations enforced?

Of course not. Maybe I misunderstood but it appeared you were blaming our corporations for Chinas' bull shit. Our Corps, who after discovering Chinese manufacturers were not abiding by the trade rules started testing on delivered products and if lead was found did recalls or started testing before the shit hit the shelves.

many of the manufacturers in china a part of the same corporations you're crediting with protecting us

then, too, the pollution in china today is not unlike the pollution in the US back when conservatives told us people would 'vote with their wallets' for cleaner companies if we let the market sort it out

 

[Ringel05]

You deny that lead and other toxic substances have a way of ending up in goods imported from China, where there are no meaningful regulations enforced?

Of course not. Maybe I misunderstood but it appeared you were blaming our corporations for Chinas' bull shit. Our Corps, who after discovering Chinese manufacturers were not abiding by the trade rules started testing on delivered products and if lead was found did recalls or started testing before the shit hit the shelves.

many of the manufacturers in china a part of the same corporations you're crediting with protecting us

then, too, the pollution in china today is not unlike the pollution in the US back when conservatives told us people would 'vote with their wallets' for cleaner companies if we let the market sort it out

Do you understand how the contract procedure works with Chinese corporations? The only thing that makes them part of the company here is the parent companies initial investment and a contract for delivery of a product or products. They have no say in how the Chinese company is run or in reality how the product is manufactured, that is up to the Chinese government based on trade treaties we have with their government.

 

[California Girl]

Really? I smell cowardice and bullshit.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm 22 from SC. Nice to meet you all

1. Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership GM, Amtrak and administration of the means of production and distribution welfare of goods.

2. a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.

3. a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

Does anyone honestly want more of this? How many countries, that are mostly socialist, are not shit holes?

Democratic socialist are what the Russian communist started calling themselves after they took off the uniforms.