Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health model

The British do NOT have 'free health care'.... it is free at the point of delivery. I can only assume that the person who thinks it is 'free' is either unemployed or stupid.

My husband has a friend from Great Britain who has diabetes. The friend, John, used to keep up a running litany of bitches about how much his diabetic supplies cost him in deductibles under his health insurance, and how much better it was in England, where it was free. Finally, my husband's patience ran out and he pointed out to his friend that when you consider the taxes he used to pay in Great Britain, he's actually spending the same amount on his health care here as he did there. He's just spending it at a different point in the process.

Here in America, should the point in that process be when that individual is out of work, with no insurance, he may well get no supplies at all. Yes, you have to pay for your health care, one way or another. But the way we pay is so backward that we pay twice as much as many for a poorer product.

Poorer product? :lol: you silly ass.
 
Sounds like at the end of the day UHC just doesn't work, and can bring down entire economies with the debt left behind.....just some food for thought.

Depends what you mean by "doesn't work." Canadians are generally happy with their healthcare system. The last poll in Canada had 90% of Canadians supportive of universal public healthcare. That's an awful lot of people approving of something that supposedly "doesn't work."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ga2SAQ&usg=AFQjCNEBhIhBE8NLLwiIfKVYlAv1RHiQAQ

This is a slightly older poll.

A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.

“With more than 8 in 10 Canadians supporting public solutions to make public health care stronger, there is compelling evidence that Canadians across all demographics would prefer a public over a for-profit health care system,” said Nik Nanos, president of Nanos Research.

And the reason for that is because Canadians directly compare their system to the American system and prefer their own.

New poll shows Canadians overwhelmingly support public health care | Physicians for a National Health Program
I thought I was talking about UHC being deficit neutral, which it isn't....not even in Canada. Can't wait for the outcome with a population of 300 million, not just the 34 million that Canada sports. I will say that it will be a failure with rising debt, rising costs of healthcare and meds.

I wonder how much more Canadians will be taxed to address the rising costs of their healthcare?

Since they spend 10% of their GDP on health care, versus the over 15% that we pay, and they cover more all their citizens, I suppose that if they are taxes a bit more to keep the system balanced, they will still be paying less for more than we are.

Enough to break a Conservatives heart. Imagine, getting real value for one's money, instead of having those hard earned go into the pockets of some CEO of an Insurance Company.
 
My husband has a friend from Great Britain who has diabetes. The friend, John, used to keep up a running litany of bitches about how much his diabetic supplies cost him in deductibles under his health insurance, and how much better it was in England, where it was free. Finally, my husband's patience ran out and he pointed out to his friend that when you consider the taxes he used to pay in Great Britain, he's actually spending the same amount on his health care here as he did there. He's just spending it at a different point in the process.

Here in America, should the point in that process be when that individual is out of work, with no insurance, he may well get no supplies at all. Yes, you have to pay for your health care, one way or another. But the way we pay is so backward that we pay twice as much as many for a poorer product.

Poorer product? :lol: you silly ass.

The Canadians live longer, have a much better infant mortality rate, and their rate of early childhood deaths are an order of magnitude better than ours. Lousy grammer that may be, you dumb fuck, but the fact remains, we pay more for less, and you defend that in the name of Conservatism.:lol:
 
Depends what you mean by "doesn't work." Canadians are generally happy with their healthcare system. The last poll in Canada had 90% of Canadians supportive of universal public healthcare. That's an awful lot of people approving of something that supposedly "doesn't work."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ga2SAQ&usg=AFQjCNEBhIhBE8NLLwiIfKVYlAv1RHiQAQ

This is a slightly older poll.



And the reason for that is because Canadians directly compare their system to the American system and prefer their own.

New poll shows Canadians overwhelmingly support public health care | Physicians for a National Health Program
I thought I was talking about UHC being deficit neutral, which it isn't....not even in Canada. Can't wait for the outcome with a population of 300 million, not just the 34 million that Canada sports. I will say that it will be a failure with rising debt, rising costs of healthcare and meds.

I wonder how much more Canadians will be taxed to address the rising costs of their healthcare?

Since they spend 10% of their GDP on health care, versus the over 15% that we pay, and they cover more all their citizens, I suppose that if they are taxes a bit more to keep the system balanced, they will still be paying less for more than we are.

Enough to break a Conservatives heart. Imagine, getting real value for one's money, instead of having those hard earned go into the pockets of some CEO of an Insurance Company.

300 million compared to 34 million in population, and your comparing? :lol:
Our healthcare bill right now isn't deficit neutral on paper....just wait until the socialists get their UHC. That is going to be a very expensive venture, sonny.
 
Here in America, should the point in that process be when that individual is out of work, with no insurance, he may well get no supplies at all. Yes, you have to pay for your health care, one way or another. But the way we pay is so backward that we pay twice as much as many for a poorer product.

Poorer product? :lol: you silly ass.

The Canadians live longer, have a much better infant mortality rate, and their rate of early childhood deaths are an order of magnitude better than ours. Lousy grammer that may be, you dumb fuck, but the fact remains, we pay more for less, and you defend that in the name of Conservatism.:lol:

We've been all over this time and time again......apples and oranges.....but coming from a communist, I expect no better from you. :eusa_whistle:
 
Well, yes, we have been over this many times. You wish to continue to fund the life style of the Insurance Company execs, I wish to see all citizens in this nation with access to adaquete health care. Apples and oranges.

And when you have to resort to calling people Communists because they support the idea of citizens in our nation having what people in the other industrial nations already have, then I can with as much accuracy call you a Nazi. You are, indeed, a dumb fuck.
 
I thought I was talking about UHC being deficit neutral, which it isn't....not even in Canada. Can't wait for the outcome with a population of 300 million, not just the 34 million that Canada sports. I will say that it will be a failure with rising debt, rising costs of healthcare and meds.

I wonder how much more Canadians will be taxed to address the rising costs of their healthcare?

Canada has one of the best fiscal positions of all the developed countries in the world. Until the recession hit, Canada had run surpluses for years. They had been paying off their national debt. The structural fiscal balance of Canada is amongst the strongest on the planet.

As healthcare costs rise, either Canadians' taxes are going to go up or other services are going to be cut. Thus far, Canadians have opted mostly to cut other services. More healthcare services will go into the private sector but whether or not there is a universal healthcare system, your healthcare costs are going to go up, either out of your own pocket or because of taxes.
 
Well, yes, we have been over this many times. You wish to continue to fund the life style of the Insurance Company execs, I wish to see all citizens in this nation with access to adaquete health care. Apples and oranges.

And when you have to resort to calling people Communists because they support the idea of citizens in our nation having what people in the other industrial nations already have, then I can with as much accuracy call you a Nazi. You are, indeed, a dumb fuck.


Your the only one I call a communist, roxie....check it out. You trust the government? You are a fool, roxie...you have proved it over and over. . They screwed up SS, Welfare, Medicare, Amtrak, yet you trust them to get healthcare right? Who's the dumb fuck? :lol:
 
I thought I was talking about UHC being deficit neutral, which it isn't....not even in Canada. Can't wait for the outcome with a population of 300 million, not just the 34 million that Canada sports. I will say that it will be a failure with rising debt, rising costs of healthcare and meds.

I wonder how much more Canadians will be taxed to address the rising costs of their healthcare?

Canada has one of the best fiscal positions of all the developed countries in the world. Until the recession hit, Canada had run surpluses for years. They had been paying off their national debt. The structural fiscal balance of Canada is amongst the strongest on the planet.

As healthcare costs rise, either Canadians' taxes are going to go up or other services are going to be cut. Thus far, Canadians have opted mostly to cut other services. More healthcare services will go into the private sector but whether or not there is a universal healthcare system, your healthcare costs are going to go up, either out of your own pocket or because of taxes.

Toro, there are other remedies to address the problem we are now facing...I do believe in healthcare reform, but not what we have going on.....that will end up costing much more when the transition to UHC happens. Every problem that Canada faces, we will face the same problems 10 fold.
 

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