Soaring cost of healthcare sets a record

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    Healthcare spending grew to a record 17.3% of the U.S. economy last year

    Regardless of how we feel about the current health care reform debate, of whether said reform would bring down costs or not, there is one thing on which we all should agree: The current system is not sustainable over the long haul.
     
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    They do not care. Most here get their health care "free" as a employee benefit and they love blank check health care.
    Same with retirees of all sorts. They could care less if we go bankrupt.
    "I have mine" mentality has ruined America.
     
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    I talk with a woman in Toronto. She/They LOVE their healthcare. They pay $100 a month. With all of them pooled together to spread the risk, that is plenty of money for the socialized company that acts as the middle man instead of how we have FOR PROFITS doing it. Of course they are going to charge as much as they can and provide as little as they can get away with.

    The healthcare industry in America is falling apart. Doctors are specializing in boob jobs and not in cancer research because the money is in boob jobs. :eek:

    And the solution is not tort reform and malpractice insurance. That's just right wing distrations. Drop in the bucket. The problem are the out of control insurance monopolies.

    You do the math. The Canadians pay $1200 a year or $100 a month.

    I just went on a job interview. Listen to this. It will cost me $100 a month up front. Then the first $1500 is paid by ME. Then after that the insurance kicks in, but even then they don't pay 100% of it.

    Is that a crock of shit or what? That would cost me $2,700 before the insurance company would even kick in one nickle!!! I have never spent that much in my life. So basically unless I get really sick, I'll be paying for all of my healthcare. And/or they'll be making $1200 on people who avoid going for preventative care. This is insane!

    My dad worked for Ford and he only paid $5 a visit. Ok, that's not an option anymore. Thats the cadillac plans Republicans have been using to steal union votes. Fact is, those cadillac plans are going to be taken away sooner or later.

    So now as a non union college graduate sales professional, I pay $20 per visit and the insurance picks up 80%, sometimes. Sometimes they nickle and dime me on a dental procedure or something. But mainly they pay 80% of anything I go for. That's ok.

    But now this new company has this crappy $2700 out of pocket plan??? I worked for them 10 years ago and they had a much better insurance. This is they way things are heading people. You don't want healthcare reform? Then you assume what you have now is what you will have the next 10-50 years??? Wake up. In 10 years, 50% of us will be uninsured.

    We need a public option/government run plan. PERIOD.
     
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    As an added benefit of the US current providers, you can expect to have a thorough investigation into your medical background for any preexisting condition at all for your entire life.

    You can be automatically rejected for many many things including job and medications. Diety(s) of your choice forbid if you have a tummy ache that you did not go to the doctor for BEFORE you applied for insurance.

    Do you need glasses or contacts? Congratulations you have a preexisting eye condition.

    Read for your self:

    Health Insurance for Preexisting Conditions

    Fighting a preexisting condition: greed - Los Angeles Times

    Papers Show Insurers Limited Coverage for Acne, Pregnancy - washingtonpost.com

    Pre-Existing Health "Conditions" -- Cops, Firefighters, Expectant Dads, and Those Suffering From Allergies, Acne and Toenail Fungus Are Uninsurable According To Internal Documents - Consumer Watchdog

    Download links (it is easier to download these than wait for the document to load in your browser):

    http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/PacifiCareUnderwriting.pdf

    http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/BlueCrossUnderwriting.pdf

    http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/BlueShieldUnderwriting.pdf

    http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/HealthNetUnderwriting.pdf
     
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    I have a Cadillac plan. And pay $160 a month for my wife and I. The company pays the rest, and it is a bunch! More a month than the people pay in Canada a year.

    In 1992, I had a policy through a construction company that paid 80%. My wife had two major surgeries in 10 months in two seperate years. My daughter had major orthedontal surgery. I was six years paying off my portion. And I made good money at the time.

    Everything that I have read about the care and the cost of the plans in other industrial nations says that we in this nation are being taken for a ride by the present Health Care System.
     
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    Seventeen percent is, I believe, about what we used to pay for the entire federal government before our unfunded wars and bailouts of corporations deemed too big to fail.

    Now, we have unbridled growth of both health care and government.
     
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    Which is why we need to be addressing the actual causes of the health care spending growth and correct them with policies that affect the market with just small government involvement. The problem is that while we may all agree that the cost increases are unsustainable we all do not accept the fact that government spending is even more unsustainable. If we could be on the same page on those two, we would be less likely to pursue the public option or government-run plans.
     
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    State and local government spending accounted for nearly 50% of GDP

    Tell me which do you think will bankrupt us first, runaway government spending or health care?
     
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    The problem I see with health care in the US is that medicine is orientated towards profit rather than as a basic social need
     
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    if it wasn't oriented towards profit, you wouldn't have CAT scans, MRIs, high tech neurosurgery, new life saving drugs etc etc
     

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