Soak the Rich, Lose the Rich

[editec]

I have read this speech before, it was more amusing when it had the line 'workers of the world unite'.

it's easy to dismiss complaints of a lack of parity, I guess. But in reality, historically, management made approximately 6 times what the workers did, IIRC. Now top management earns approximately 22 times what the workers earn. That type of absurd burden creates societal rifts that we see in banana republics. Companies (and certain members of the public) then ignore the burden of those out-sized salaries as well as golden parachutes for failed CEO's but complain that they provide health coverage to workers and keep cutting back on workers' benefts... all while certain people bemoan the existence of collective bargaining which only partly levels the playing field.

And you think government is the solution for what you consider is an imbalance?

It's an imperfect tool, but its the only tool that a representational republic has. Of course when that tool is wielded by the master class (as ours is for the most part) then of course government is their hand maiden and the democracy becomes a shamocracy.

Government CREATED the imbalance by inserting itself too deeply into business.

Big money created that imbalance by buying off our government.

Incidently both are basically saying the same thing.

 

[RodISHI]

Americans know how to use the moving van to escape high taxes.Soak the Rich, Lose the Rich - WSJ.com

Dayum. We'll miss them and shit (waving hankie). Maybe the the rest of the world needs them more? They can pay to pave their own roads wherever they're going, purify their own water, pay full price for a doctor if they can find one, educate their own children, staff a fire department, police force, and military to keep them all safe and cozy. It would have been a little better if they had been born out in someplace a little less socially constructed, then they could have been the "self made men" they imagine themselves to be, but hey, better late than never to truly own and spend their own wealth for their own happiness. Happy trails.

Small towns still have voluntary firemen/women, EMT's and a lot of work to keep these communities afloat is done on a voluntary basis. Many people are fed up with the school systems and they are now teaching their own children. A few major roads here are paved here but many are just limestone or dirt. It is many those people who live on backwoods dusty roads that keep the food flow going whether they are from South America or North America, Canada, Pakistan, India, China, wherever that food you buy at the store is coming from many people out there who do not get to drive on paved roads and they still look after one another when a house or barn is on fire. Even when we lived in a small town I was an EMT available if needed on the local emergency crew if I was not out of town working. My secretary for a long time was also a volunteer EMT. When the whistle blew she was out the door and a half a block away she was in the medical truck and gone. Our water comes from our own cistern. We don't need to pay someone else to contaminate it with chlorine.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why should millionnaires/billionnaires have special ways to hide their money and avoid taxes?


Its call income tax KOOK.

Don't you mean income tax COOKING?

 

[MaggieMae]

These threads are hilarious. Why anyone would defend the rich and wealthy is beyond me, it is sorta like 'the sermon on the mount' has been reversed and it is the rich who need our help. Too funny, actually rather absurd.

The true aburdity is watching people like you try to justify stealing other people's things, be they money or valuables.

Your inane concepts of tribal sharing belong back in the stone age, or at least in the 19th century fantasy world of Marx & Engels.

You see, you are all for stealing something from someone else, but if it is decided something YOU have should be taken 'for the greater good' you would have a shit coniption and probaly a stroke from whining how it ain't fair, especailly if you have no say in it, that it was decided by some group of people you never met and don't like.

The other side of the coin is that the rich folk steal our labor for their own benefit. They will line their own pockets before actually PAYING FOR the instruments (the workers) that enable them to become wealthy. When a CEO makes 300 times in one day what his average laborer does in a year, there's more wrong with THAT picture than some ridiculous allegation that those workers are stealing your "things." What "things"?? What are you, personally, in danger of losing?

 

[MaggieMae]

These threads are hilarious. Why anyone would defend the rich and wealthy is beyond me, it is sorta like 'the sermon on the mount' has been reversed and it is the rich who need our help. Too funny, actually rather absurd.

The true aburdity is watching people like you try to justify stealing other people's things, be they money or valuables.

Your inane concepts of tribal sharing belong back in the stone age, or at least in the 19th century fantasy world of Marx & Engels.

You see, you are all for stealing something from someone else, but if it is decided something YOU have should be taken 'for the greater good' you would have a shit coniption and probaly a stroke from whining how it ain't fair, especailly if you have no say in it, that it was decided by some group of people you never met and don't like.

Stealing is starting an illegal and unneccesary trillion dollar war, borrowing the money to pay for it, and not putting its cost on the books.

And gasp telling the American people that it will "only" cost about $3 billion, max, and our boys would be home by Christmas. Say, how come no one is bitching about THAT promise made yet they are all over Obama for 'promising' that unemployment would not reach 10%?

 

[MaggieMae]

There are nations that have a reasonable approach to societies responsibilities to all of it's citizens, and still have wealthy people. One tries to get what one pays for. High taxes that aid a high standard of living for the citizens of a nation is a reasonable proposition. Low taxes, a declining standard of living for the most of society, increasing inequity between classes, that is the sure way to third world status.

Again with the socialism-r-us theme, those nations are in fact in serious trouble now.

Why?

Because the money making capitalists that helped keep them above water are in trouble now.

Big government or small government is a false choice. The real debate is government for the general welfare of all, or government for the protection of the moneyed class. Right now, you seem to be supporting the latter.

No, what you just presented was a false choice.

The real choice is a society standing on it's own two feet vs a mommy state taking from its citizens to garner political support to keep itself in power by gifts and boons to the masses.

In short, what you want is diametrically opposed to what the United States was founded upon and thrived on.

Interestingly, Canada is the only large economy that survived the global financial crisis. Why? Because it didn't bend to deregulation, sticking by the old rules of holding higher capital to offset liabilities. The overall financial health of so-called "Socialist" Canada is much better than our own.

 

[MaggieMae]

Americans know how to use the moving van to escape high taxes.Soak the Rich, Lose the Rich - WSJ.com

Dayum. We'll miss them and shit (waving hankie). Maybe the the rest of the world needs them more? They can pay to pave their own roads wherever they're going, purify their own water, pay full price for a doctor if they can find one, educate their own children, staff a fire department, police force, and military to keep them all safe and cozy. It would have been a little better if they had been born out in someplace a little less socially constructed, then they could have been the "self made men" they imagine themselves to be, but hey, better late than never to truly own and spend their own wealth for their own happiness. Happy trails.

I had to laugh because you've hit the nail on the head. Where I live, folks move from their city highrises to experience clean air, less traffic, and the general "rustic" feel they read about in "Town & Country" magazine. But once they get here, they soon realize that all the cultural amenities that they are accustomed to and which their taxes supported, at least in part, are non-existent. So they begin demanding them; demanding roads near their starter castles be repaved (not just potholes filled); extracurricular activities for their children that were never before budgeted by local schools; a new visitor center here a new cultural center there. Before you know it, taxes need to be raised to the point the locals can't afford to live there anymore.

 

[Xenophon]

Interestingly, Canada is the only large economy that survived the global financial crisis. Why? Because it didn't bend to deregulation, sticking by the old rules of holding higher capital to offset liabilities. The overall financial health of so-called "Socialist" Canada is much better than our own.

No, they have the one commidity still indemand for export, Oil.

 

[Care4all]

Interestingly, Canada is the only large economy that survived the global financial crisis. Why? Because it didn't bend to deregulation, sticking by the old rules of holding higher capital to offset liabilities. The overall financial health of so-called "Socialist" Canada is much better than our own.

No, they have the one commidity still indemand for export, Oil.

So why didn't going from $145 dollars a barrel LAST JUNE 08, to about $50 bucks a barrel NOT CRASH their economy?



care

 

[RodISHI]

The other side of the coin is that the rich folk steal our labor for their own benefit. They will line their own pockets before actually PAYING FOR the instruments (the workers) that enable them to become wealthy. When a CEO makes 300 times in one day what his average laborer does in a year, there's more wrong with THAT picture than some ridiculous allegation that those workers are stealing your "things." What "things"?? What are you, personally, in danger of losing?

Can't disagree with you on that one, MaggieMae. How do you proposed to put a stop to that bullshit?

Tell me if I build a business using my own resources am I going to be punished for it like the corporate thieves will be when y'all get finished taxing the rich into oblivion? Or should I just say fuck it it wasn't worth it all anyhow since it can all be stolen from me in a heartbeat and just stay low, collect those government bene's and left it all roll past? I mean life is short who wants to work really hard so someone in control of the government/corporate world can steal it from ya anyhow.

 

[jillian]

And you think government is the solution for what you consider is an imbalance?

Government CREATED the imbalance by inserting itself too deeply into business.

I disagree about 1000%. The middle class only exists with government intervention. Capitalism and corporatism left to their own devices creates very rich and very poor... with no middle. You've seen society moving in that direction for years. It's time to stop using Reagan's soundbite that government is the problem, not the solution. Even Reagan didn't believe it.

 

[ozzmdj]

DEM HEALTH RX A POI$ON PILL IN NY - New York Post


More U-hauls heading for New York.

 

[editec]

And you think government is the solution for what you consider is an imbalance?

Government CREATED the imbalance by inserting itself too deeply into business.

I disagree about 1000%. The middle class only exists with government intervention. Capitalism and corporatism left to their own devices creates very rich and very poor... with no middle. You've seen society moving in that direction for years. It's time to stop using Reagan's soundbite that government is the problem, not the solution. Even Reagan didn't believe it.

Absolutely right.

Sans a government for the people, the middle class would be a razor thin part of the population much like existed during feudal times.

Government can certainly be a problem.

Government can also be a solution.

Government is a tool and what it does depends on the people who weild it.

Of late, government has enabled the very VERY wealthy to increase their share of the pie, while to some extent abandoning the middle and lower classes to fend entirely for themselves.

And our nation is going broke because of those policies, too.

 

[ozzmdj]

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[ozzmdj]

ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER WARNS OF UK EXODUS OVER HIGH TAXES......ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER: The last thing this country needs is a pirate raid on the wealthy (and don't lynch me because I'm a rich b*****d) | Mail Online

 

[chanel]

I believe Obama's "wealth spread" will destroy the middle class. If he is successful in destroying small business, there will be two groups - those on some kind of entitlement and those that work and pay taxes, As I've said before, the uber-rich will always find ways to evade taxes. It's the middle and upper middle class that will be no 'mo.

 

[auditor0007]

let's SOAK the middle class instead, to pay for all of congress's bailouts to Wall Street and spending sprees, that'll work! It will at least keep the Rich happy!

Keeping the rich wealthy by destroying the middle class will make everyone poor, including the wealthy. The middle class is what drives our economy. Without it, the rich will no longer be necessary.

 

[ozzmdj]

I disagree about 1000%. The middle class only exists with government intervention. Capitalism and corporatism left to their own devices creates very rich and very poor... with no middle. You've seen society moving in that direction for years. It's time to stop using Reagan's soundbite that government is the problem, not the solution. Even Reagan didn't believe it.[/QUOTE]

What a kook

 

[ozzmdj]

The plan would grant authority to state corrections officials to allow any inmate with 12 months or less left to serve to complete his or her sentence on home detention, although state officials would not be required to do so. Prison officials could also put any inmate who is over 60 or medically incapacitated on home detention instead of in a prison cell....State budget deal reduces prison inmates by 27,000 - Los Angeles Times

 

[mudwhistle]

If you want the nonsense to end force Congress to vote into law a mandate that ever single bill they vote on applies to them.