So YOU blame the Bush administration for deficits?---REALLY? How about some FACTS.

[Maple]

What about all those years the REPUBLICANS had complete control?

I think that the post answered that, when Republicans had control they had spending under control.

From the post:

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending.

 

[Maple]

What about all those years the REPUBLICANS had complete control?

I think that the post answered that, when Republicans had control they had spending under control.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

you are insane

And------------- you are a member of " Nit Wit Liberal Loon Nut Club.""

 

[Truthmatters]

Making things much much worse and then blaming Republicans for this just seems so lame to me. The Democrats had a Super Majority for God's sake. They could have done anything they wanted. If all these 'horrible" things George Bush did really bothered them,why did they go ahead and support the same exact policies and make things so much worse? There has been no change in this country. The Democrats really did blow it and it is time for real change. Make your voices heard America.

62% of Americans wanted the Public Option.

The Rs fought it with everything they had. Obama was trying to get the Bi Partisanship atmosphere he promised the people.

They were trying to do it without resorting to reconciliation.

They tried and NOT ONE REPBULICAN would vote for ANYTHING they put in front of them.

They stripped the bill to please them until NO ONE wanted what was left of it.

Now dude you better hold onto your hat because the number ten can got opened and they dont have a supermajority anymore.

They have to open up the number can 10 of whoopass now.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

"Bad Bush!" yet the Democrats adopted all of his policies and actually managed to make things much much worse. They controlled spending even when Bush was President. If his policies were so "horrible" why didn't they do something about this? Or why have they continued to adopt all of his "horrible" policies? Do people really believe there has been change? The Democrats have only made things worse yet they still blame the other guys. Seems pretty ludicrous to me. I guess we'll see this year if the People agree with the Democrats and blame the other guys. Time will tell.

 

[Truthmatters]

"Bad Bush!" yet the Democrats adopted all of his policies and actually managed to make things much much worse. They controlled spending even when Bush was President. If his policies were so "horrible" why didn't they do something about this? Or why have they continued to adopt all of his "horrible" policies? Do people really believe there has been change? The Democrats have only made things worse yet they still blame the other guys. Seems pretty ludicrous to me. I guess we'll see this year if the People agree with the Democrats and blame the other guys. Time will tell.

ignoring facts yet again?

How can they control it when the president can veto it?

 

[KissMy]

ignoring facts yet again?

How can they control it when the president can veto it?

Congress has more power than the president. They can pass veto proof spending bills without presidents permission.

 

[Truthmatters]

Democrats Rack-Up Debt & Republicans pay it down.

No link?


I wonder why?

 

[Claudette]

Up until 1992, the democrats controlled congress for 40 years. That is true. We were not running any significant budget deficts until Reagan became POTUS.

Question: If in those 40 years, there were no significant budget deficits, what changed in 1980? Democrats were still in control of congress. The only thing different was Reagan was POTUS. And we've seen nothing bud red ink since. Except for 1999-2000 when Clinton left Dubya a balanced budget. A few days after Dubya's taking office, we were back in the red again. And that is just Fact.

You seem to forget that the Dems were not in control of congress from 1992 until January 2007.

This is my problem with today's GOP and its supporters. They refuse to take responsibility for ANYTHING!!! And for me, unless and until that changes, they don't deserve to be back in power.

Oh we can give the Republicans some power.

Justt don't let one party controll everything next time. OH yeah--we citizens have to shake things up every now and then or else our crazy leaders will start up a war based on suspicion.

See Korea, Vietnam, the second Iraq war

Oh, they have 'some' power now. And IMO, they are using what they have a whole lot more effective than the Democrats. Actually, if you look at that 40 run for the Democrats, the country did pretty well with either a Democrat or a Republican as POTUS. That leads me to think that it's not one party having all the levers of power, but the quality of the members of that party when they have all the levers of power. The GOP and this current group of Democrats have and are proving they are not made of the same stuff as past Democrats and Republicans.

I gotta agree. Having one party with all the power doesn't seem to work very well.

The the Reps screwed the pooch when they had the whole she-bang and the Dems are doing the same in this go round.

 

[Maple]

Democrats Rack-Up Debt & Republicans pay it down.

Thank You Kissmy, I still really liked your post about the mortgage meltdown and the history you demonstrated on that. Very factual with alot of history that flies in the face of what liberals and progressives believe. Again you show facts with this chart and they are appreciated.

To all liberals and progressives- do not read any of Kissmy's posts because he or she presents the FACTS and the TRUTH and it will just clutter your nat sized brains and get in the way of what you BELEIVE.

 

[PeterS]

The Democrats have controlled spending for years. This was true even when Bush was the President. They could have cut spending any time they wanted to. Obviously they chose not to. This is just fact.

Up until 1992, the democrats controlled congress for 40 years. That is true. We were not running any significant budget deficts until Reagan became POTUS.

Question: If in those 40 years, there were no significant budget deficits, what changed in 1980? Democrats were still in control of congress. The only thing different was Reagan was POTUS. And we've seen nothing bud red ink since. Except for 1999-2000 when Clinton left Dubya a balanced budget. A few days after Dubya's taking office, we were back in the red again. And that is just Fact.

You seem to forget that the Dems were not in control of congress from 1992 until January 2007.

This is my problem with today's GOP and its supporters. They refuse to take responsibility for ANYTHING!!! And for me, unless and until that changes, they don't deserve to be back in power.

Oh we can give the Republicans some power.

We've tried that in the past but even when republicans hold power it is still democrats that control and are to blame for everything...just listen to Rush and he will tell you. So the question begged is if even when republicans hold power they can't execute power what is the point in voting formt them?

 

[Truthmatters]

That posted chart is even wrong on who held the senate in 2003

 

[Truthmatters]

In 1993 the budget reduction act was passed by a completely democratic government.

That act was given the majority of credit for the budget surplus of the 1990s BY THE CBO!

You people can pretend all you want but the FACTS are that the Dems are the fiscal party.

 

[beowolfe]

Democrats Rack-Up Debt & Republicans pay it down.

No link?


I wonder why?

Click on the chart, it'll enlarge itself. Then have a good laugh at what it says...........lol

 

[beowolfe]

Democrats Rack-Up Debt & Republicans pay it down.

Thank You Kissmy, I still really liked your post about the mortgage meltdown and the history you demonstrated on that. Very factual with alot of history that flies in the face of what liberals and progressives believe. Again you show facts with this chart and they are appreciated.

To all liberals and progressives- do not read any of Kissmy's posts because he or she presents the FACTS and the TRUTH and it will just clutter your nat sized brains and get in the way of what you BELEIVE.

You have my sympathies.

 

[Truthmatters]

Democrats Rack-Up Debt & Republicans pay it down.

No link?


I wonder why?

Click on the chart, it'll enlarge itself. Then have a good laugh at what it says...........lol

it even says Democrat instead of democratic.

Its so blantently full of holes its sad.

IT says the senate was not under full R control in 2003 when it was in full R control.

 

[Truthmatters]

Democrats Rack-Up Debt & Republicans pay it down.

Thank You Kissmy, I still really liked your post about the mortgage meltdown and the history you demonstrated on that. Very factual with alot of history that flies in the face of what liberals and progressives believe. Again you show facts with this chart and they are appreciated.

To all liberals and progressives- do not read any of Kissmy's posts because he or she presents the FACTS and the TRUTH and it will just clutter your nat sized brains and get in the way of what you BELEIVE.

Why dont you tell us why the chart claims that the congress was split when it was not in 2003?

you see you just lap up lies for partisan purposes.

 

[Oldandtired]

No link?


I wonder why?

Click on the chart, it'll enlarge itself. Then have a good laugh at what it says...........lol

it even says Democrat instead of democratic.

Its so blantently full of holes its sad.

IT says the senate was not under full R control in 2003 when it was in full R control.

Really?
Republicans had a fillibuster proof majority in 2003?
Wow...I did not know that.
Or did you just lie?

 

[rightwinger]

Bush, not Congress, signed and/or proposed Medicare Drug, No Child Left Behind, Sarbanes-Oxley, not to mention massive unfunded increases in defense and DHS

the guy was a huge fiscal liberal, to defend him now is to support borrow-and-spend Socialism, where we distribute wealth from the future in order to overspend now

Obama is also a fiscal liberal, but his smug attitude is pissing off everyone in Congress, and whether he's got another 3 years or another 7, his ego is going to get bruised badly

but that does not mean you should defend Bush's horrible record

Who was it that started two wars and cut taxes to pay for them?

Got deficits?

 

[gautama]

The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush, blah blah blah. Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this nonsense.

Here is a short civics lesson.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For FY 2009, though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office--while sticking nonsense spending bills (last minute or middle of the night earmarks & other goodies into bills.)

At that time, they passed a massive 450 BILLION dollar omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets which Bush refused to sign. Obama gleefully signed that which had over 9000 earmarks & political pay-backs included in it. Obama referred to this bill as "last years" business-- The very week after Obama signed off on the 787 BILLION dollar stimulus bill that wasn't--which included 64 million in bonuses for AIG & 200+ million for Fannie/Freddie bonuses--gratitude of the American taxpayer. This the bill that no one read before signing off on it.

And where was Barack Obama during the 2007--2008 full year budget? He was a member of that very Senate that passed all of these massive spending bills.

Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is--"I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since I took office on January 20 2009." This President in one single year has spent more--than the cost of ALL WARS combined in United States History!

It is estimated that each & every household in America today is in debt $100,000 to the Federal Government's tab.

How's all that hopey & changey workin for ya?--

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450 BILLION for 9000 earmarks that Bush refused to sign--

Check my posts.

I have been stating the FACT that Pelosi and the Congressional Dems were responsible for the HUGH deficits and ESPECIALLY the Fannie and Freddie debacle which I yelled (put in caps) was the RESPONSIBILITY of Chris Dodd (Senate Finance Honcho) and the queer Barney Frank (House Finance Honcho) IN EVERY POST I made on this issue since the election of the MARXIST Muslim PC Protector Obami Salami.......AND EVEN BEFORE ......during the Presidential campaigns.

NO ONE......I repeat NO ONE of the ANTI-Obamarrhoids supported my posts. They may have agreed with me, but NONE voiced any comments w/r/t my assertions (to my knowledge).

I kept asserting these facts to no avail because the LIEberals did such a fantastic job in pulling off the GREATEST POLITICAL SCAM in the HISTORY of not only America ....but of the WORLD with their 24/7 Lib Controlled National Media destruction of Dubya.

The CONTEMPTIBLE DEMS TOTALLY DESTROYED Bush with respect to the IRAQ WAR (clamoured for by the Clinton Adm and the CONGRESSIONAL DEM LEADERS ) and the IRAQI QUAGMIRE, the result of the HYPOCRITICAL and TREACHEROUS DEM LEADERSHIP.....I REPEAT .....DEM LEADERSHIP: Pelosi, Reid, The Chappaquidick Murderer (may he broil in Hell), Hanoi Kerry, etc.,...... doing the 180 degree about face and giving IRAN and the other ISLAMOFASCIST SWINE the GREEN LIGHT to start the IRAQI QUAGMIRE.

This the HYPOCRITICAL and TREACHEROUS DEMS did when it was evident that the TWENTY TWO DAY destruction of the BAGHDAD PSYCHO'S FOURTH LARGEST ARMY IN THE WORLD......spelled the doom of the DEMS' chances in the upcoming elections.

This GREATEST POLITICAL SCAM in the HISTORY of the WORLD was pulled off by the 24/7 Lib Controlled National Media because the the ANTI-LIEberals were caught completely off-guard and didn't have anything close to the ORGANIZATION of these HYPOCRITICAL and TREACHEROUS DEMS.

Some of you may recall my DESPERATE POSTS alerting you of this tragedy

However, I was remiss in stating the DETAILS so brilliantly laid out by OREO.

Thanks Oreo.

I am bringing this up because the question posed was: HOW DO WE INFORM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC .....because even the ANTI-LIEberal and ANTI-Obamarrhoidal pundits have been swayed by the CONTEMPTIBLE MISINFORMATION of Dubya's COMPLETE, and/or near COMPLETE responsibility for even the PRESENT Financial Debacle.

The fact that the Reps controlled BOTH houses of Congress during Bush's Adm is TOTALLY MISLEADING because for all intents and purposes, BUSH BEING COMPLETELY DESTROYED..... left BOTH HOUSES of Congress in the TOTAL CONTROL of the DEMS.

During this period, the Republicans were completely cowed and didn't want to be associated with ANYTHING that had to do with Dubya. These Reps had their own re-election to consider.

Parenthetically, I hope the same DESTRUCTION and REACTION to this DESTRUCTION will occur with the Dems as they did with the Reps.....ex: The DEMS are now in a position where they will have to choose between loyalty to MARXIST Muslim PC Protector Obami Salami's AGENDA and his DISASTERS made and in the making......and their RE-ELECTION.

MARXIST Muslim PC Protector Obami Salami is avidly puruing a non-stop pursuit of his MARXIST and Muslim PC Protecting AGENDA (making minor concessions to the Reps to deflect America from his REAL rather OBVIOUS AGENDA).

Obami Salami doesn't seem to be even considering firing anyone in his CRAZED INNER CIRCLE being comprised of such POLITICAL IDIOTS (no other word for them): The hapless STOOGE Atty Gen Eric Holder (with his KSM move to NY, Criminal instead of Military Trials, etc), Janet INCOMPETANO ( "the plane security worked", The terms "War on Terror" and "Terrorism" outlawed) , the EGOMANIACAL IDEOLOGUE Immanuel Rahm who is one of the most ardent FAR LEFTY WHACKJOBS echoing Obami's wishes in that group, etc....

So.....HOW DO WE INFORM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC of OREO'S VITAL INFO ????

Answer: First we post, or get in touch with the ANTI-Obamarrhoidal Pundits. Then we contact ALL our friends and acquaintances and tell them to spread the word via ANY MEANS....including getting on the other Forums.

 

[JenT]

The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush, blah blah blah. Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this nonsense.

Here is a short civics lesson.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For FY 2009, though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office--while sticking nonsense spending bills (last minute or middle of the night earmarks & other goodies into bills.)

At that time, they passed a massive 450 BILLION dollar omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets which Bush refused to sign. Obama gleefully signed that which had over 9000 earmarks & political pay-backs included in it. Obama referred to this bill as "last years" business-- The very week after Obama signed off on the 787 BILLION dollar stimulus bill that wasn't--which included 64 million in bonuses for AIG & 200+ million for Fannie/Freddie bonuses--gratitude of the American taxpayer. This the bill that no one read before signing off on it.

And where was Barack Obama during the 2007--2008 full year budget? He was a member of that very Senate that passed all of these massive spending bills.

Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is--"I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since I took office on January 20 2009." This President in one single year has spent more--than the cost of ALL WARS combined in United States History!

It is estimated that each & every household in America today is in debt $100,000 to the Federal Government's tab.

How's all that hopey & changey workin for ya?--

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450 BILLION for 9000 earmarks that Bush refused to sign--

<-----for the OP, clearly not for our President

I can't believe how blatantly he's lying, we all know politicians aren't squeaky clean by sheeesh