So whatta think? Is Trump just naturally Simpatico with Putin's social and world view

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Or is there something actually nefarious?

I think it's just two peas in a pod kinda thing. And basically I think that's why his base supports him.
 
Yep, it's pretty natural for Putin's assets to come to see things his way.
 
I think they disagree on the INF......lefties are sypmatico with putin.....and his worldview
 
KNOW YOUR ENEMY (DEMONCRATS)
THIS IS THEIR AGENDA TO A TEE
(THEY ARE DOING THIS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SLOWLY, LIKE BOILING A FROG IN HOT WATER)

ALINSKY’s RULES FOR RADICALS 101


WHAT CONSERVATIVES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT DEMONCRATS PLAN to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA
When you first heard about Obama’s plan to fundamentally transform America, you probably wondered “into what?” Well, the answer, as many speculated, is a Social State. Socialism. And anyone that said that was mocked and ridiculed by the people who were planning to implement it. (See Rule #5 below.)

In less than 5 minutes you will know the Progressive’s plan and their tactics. Please take the time, read this and refer to it often. And tell others.

There are 2 sections in this post.

The first is the 8 point plan to implement Socialism. This plan was not enumerated in Alinsky’s book, but Alinsky inspired two Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven to devise the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This strategy is often attributed to Alinsky and left wing websites like Snopes have tried to discredit the plan by declaring it false because Alinsky didn’t actually write the 8 steps in his book. But Snopes conveniently fails to correctly attribute the work to Cloward and Piven.

The second is the 12 “Rules” for implementation of this plan. The tactics or “rules” work equally as well on the left to fight the plan, which is in it’s final stages of implementation.

Section 1:
How to create a social state – The Cloward-Piven Strategy:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.



  1. Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.
  2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
  3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
  4. Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state
  5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)
  6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school.
  7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
  8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.




Section 2:
The Tactics: 12 Rules For Radicals

Know them and know what Democrats are doing!

* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

* RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

* RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
 
Yup he did business with Russia along with many others.

The rest is just horse shit.
 
KNOW YOUR ENEMY (DEMONCRATS)
THIS IS THEIR AGENDA TO A TEE
(THEY ARE DOING THIS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SLOWLY, LIKE BOILING A FROG IN HOT WATER)

ALINSKY’s RULES FOR RADICALS 101


WHAT CONSERVATIVES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT DEMONCRATS PLAN to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA
When you first heard about Obama’s plan to fundamentally transform America, you probably wondered “into what?” Well, the answer, as many speculated, is a Social State. Socialism. And anyone that said that was mocked and ridiculed by the people who were planning to implement it. (See Rule #5 below.)

In less than 5 minutes you will know the Progressive’s plan and their tactics. Please take the time, read this and refer to it often. And tell others.

There are 2 sections in this post.

The first is the 8 point plan to implement Socialism. This plan was not enumerated in Alinsky’s book, but Alinsky inspired two Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven to devise the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This strategy is often attributed to Alinsky and left wing websites like Snopes have tried to discredit the plan by declaring it false because Alinsky didn’t actually write the 8 steps in his book. But Snopes conveniently fails to correctly attribute the work to Cloward and Piven.

The second is the 12 “Rules” for implementation of this plan. The tactics or “rules” work equally as well on the left to fight the plan, which is in it’s final stages of implementation.

Section 1:
How to create a social state – The Cloward-Piven Strategy:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.



  1. Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.
  2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
  3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
  4. Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state
  5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)
  6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school.
  7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
  8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.




Section 2:
The Tactics: 12 Rules For Radicals

Know them and know what Democrats are doing!

* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

* RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

* RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Wow, you did all that cut-and-paste and didn’t bother to provide a link. Why?
 
Well, its not exactly red dawn out there but he had business dealings in russia. Thats not illegal. The rest of this is just a carnival.
You don’t have to have Red Dawn when you have a Manchurian candidate.
If everything Trump was doing was legal, then why did he lie about it? It’s the lies that get him in trouble.
 
Or is there something actually nefarious?

I think it's just two peas in a pod kinda thing. And basically I think that's why his base supports him.
Nah, I just think you sore-loser butt-hurt Trump-hating snowflakes have rubbed yourself raw tossing and turning over the fact that Hillary lost in 2016 and you still can't bring yourselves to accept it.
 
The truth is Trump likes Putin, trump follows Putin, Trump does what Putin says, and Republicans think Putin would be a great leader. The rest of the world sees Putin as a murderer. What is that say about Republicans?
 
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* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
 
* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

https://www.history.com/topics/19th-century/labor
 
Or is there something actually nefarious?

I think it's just two peas in a pod kinda thing. And basically I think that's why his base supports him.


Yeah, that's why Trump has so many hawks on Russia in his administration. Try turning off mslsd for a while, let some reality in.

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I never even heard of Saul Alinsky until Republicans started pushing his narrative.

So where did they get this narrative? Saul Alinsky.

It’s Republicans that follow him more than anybody else, clearly.
 

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