So what has really changed 25 years on?

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"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"
 
"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"

It is interesting that you put all the responsibility on the Americans.

The policy of the invasion you start out with was Saddam Hussein's policy.

Why does he get a pass for blame?
 
"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"

It is interesting that you put all the responsibility on the Americans.

The policy of the invasion you start out with was Saddam Hussein's policy.

Why does he get a pass for blame?

Given he asked America's "permission" to act against Kuwait, and the fact that America pushed for war rather than diplomacy, yes.

"Saddam claimed that he invaded Kuwait to support a local uprising against the Sabah royal family, and put a pliant ruler in its place.

This facade of maintaining an independent, yet pliant, Kuwait could have satisfied all of Saddam's war aims: eliminating Iraq's debt to Kuwait from the Iran-Iraq War, granting Iraq's navy an outlet to the sea, and ensuring respect and fear from his Gulf neighbours, without incurring alienation from the Arab and international world for occupying a sovereign state.

The Iraqi leader might have withdrawn from Kuwait in return for retaining the entire Rumaila oil field that straddles the Iraq-Kuwait border, and developing the Kuwaiti Bubiyan and Warbah islands as an Iraqi naval base.

Miscalculations

What would develop during those days would set into motion the events that culminated in the 1991 Gulf War.

On August 6, 1990, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 condemned the Iraqi invasion and demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait.

On August 7, the US president, George H W Bush, ordered the military to deploy to Saudi Arabia, drawing an infamous "line in the sand" against Iraq.

Saudi Arabia's permission to allow US forces to deploy on its soil made it impossible for Saddam to consider leaving Kuwait without seeming weak, and caving into Saudi and US pressure, a move tantamount to a surrender."
 
"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"

It is interesting that you put all the responsibility on the Americans.

The policy of the invasion you start out with was Saddam Hussein's policy.

Why does he get a pass for blame?

Given he asked America's "permission" to act against Kuwait, and the fact that America pushed for war rather than diplomacy, yes.

"Saddam claimed that he invaded Kuwait to support a local uprising against the Sabah royal family, and put a pliant ruler in its place.

This facade of maintaining an independent, yet pliant, Kuwait could have satisfied all of Saddam's war aims: eliminating Iraq's debt to Kuwait from the Iran-Iraq War, granting Iraq's navy an outlet to the sea, and ensuring respect and fear from his Gulf neighbours, without incurring alienation from the Arab and international world for occupying a sovereign state.

The Iraqi leader might have withdrawn from Kuwait in return for retaining the entire Rumaila oil field that straddles the Iraq-Kuwait border, and developing the Kuwaiti Bubiyan and Warbah islands as an Iraqi naval base.

Miscalculations

What would develop during those days would set into motion the events that culminated in the 1991 Gulf War.

On August 6, 1990, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 condemned the Iraqi invasion and demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait.

On August 7, the US president, George H W Bush, ordered the military to deploy to Saudi Arabia, drawing an infamous "line in the sand" against Iraq.

Saudi Arabia's permission to allow US forces to deploy on its soil made it impossible for Saddam to consider leaving Kuwait without seeming weak, and caving into Saudi and US pressure, a move tantamount to a surrender."


Right. You give Saddam a pass and give full responsibility to the US.

What of all the other people in the ME? Are they just pieces on the board with no internal life of their own, to be moved only when the US acts?

THat is nonsense.
 
"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"

It is interesting that you put all the responsibility on the Americans.

The policy of the invasion you start out with was Saddam Hussein's policy.

Why does he get a pass for blame?

Given he asked America's "permission" to act against Kuwait, and the fact that America pushed for war rather than diplomacy, yes.

"Saddam claimed that he invaded Kuwait to support a local uprising against the Sabah royal family, and put a pliant ruler in its place.

This facade of maintaining an independent, yet pliant, Kuwait could have satisfied all of Saddam's war aims: eliminating Iraq's debt to Kuwait from the Iran-Iraq War, granting Iraq's navy an outlet to the sea, and ensuring respect and fear from his Gulf neighbours, without incurring alienation from the Arab and international world for occupying a sovereign state.

The Iraqi leader might have withdrawn from Kuwait in return for retaining the entire Rumaila oil field that straddles the Iraq-Kuwait border, and developing the Kuwaiti Bubiyan and Warbah islands as an Iraqi naval base.

Miscalculations

What would develop during those days would set into motion the events that culminated in the 1991 Gulf War.

On August 6, 1990, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 condemned the Iraqi invasion and demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait.

On August 7, the US president, George H W Bush, ordered the military to deploy to Saudi Arabia, drawing an infamous "line in the sand" against Iraq.

Saudi Arabia's permission to allow US forces to deploy on its soil made it impossible for Saddam to consider leaving Kuwait without seeming weak, and caving into Saudi and US pressure, a move tantamount to a surrender."


Right. You give Saddam a pass and give full responsibility to the US.

What of all the other people in the ME? Are they just pieces on the board with no internal life of their own, to be moved only when the US acts?

THat is nonsense.

People or governments? You really need to learn how the real world works. ;)
 
"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"

It is interesting that you put all the responsibility on the Americans.

The policy of the invasion you start out with was Saddam Hussein's policy.

Why does he get a pass for blame?

Given he asked America's "permission" to act against Kuwait, and the fact that America pushed for war rather than diplomacy, yes.

"Saddam claimed that he invaded Kuwait to support a local uprising against the Sabah royal family, and put a pliant ruler in its place.

This facade of maintaining an independent, yet pliant, Kuwait could have satisfied all of Saddam's war aims: eliminating Iraq's debt to Kuwait from the Iran-Iraq War, granting Iraq's navy an outlet to the sea, and ensuring respect and fear from his Gulf neighbours, without incurring alienation from the Arab and international world for occupying a sovereign state.

The Iraqi leader might have withdrawn from Kuwait in return for retaining the entire Rumaila oil field that straddles the Iraq-Kuwait border, and developing the Kuwaiti Bubiyan and Warbah islands as an Iraqi naval base.

Miscalculations

What would develop during those days would set into motion the events that culminated in the 1991 Gulf War.

On August 6, 1990, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 condemned the Iraqi invasion and demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait.

On August 7, the US president, George H W Bush, ordered the military to deploy to Saudi Arabia, drawing an infamous "line in the sand" against Iraq.

Saudi Arabia's permission to allow US forces to deploy on its soil made it impossible for Saddam to consider leaving Kuwait without seeming weak, and caving into Saudi and US pressure, a move tantamount to a surrender."


Right. You give Saddam a pass and give full responsibility to the US.

What of all the other people in the ME? Are they just pieces on the board with no internal life of their own, to be moved only when the US acts?

THat is nonsense.

People or governments? You really need to learn how the real world works. ;)

For you? It seems to be people AND governments.

None of them have any responsibility for their actions. Only American truly has Free Will and thus choice and responsibility.

Do you realize how insanely racist your position is?
 
"It is 2am local time, August 2, 1990.

Iraqi General Futayih al-Rawi and four Republican Guard divisions under his command have surged across the Iraq-Kuwait border. Iraqi Special Forces assault Kuwait City with a helicopter and sea-borne attack.

By 5:30am these forces envelop Kuwait City. And by 2pm the Iraqi invasion force is in full control of Kuwait.

This invasion took less than 24 hours, and yet 25 years later, the region, particularly Iraq, still bears the consequences of what happened on August 2."

Twenty five years later the Middle East looks the same - Al Jazeera English

25 years ago we had Saddam Hussein, now we have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi; 25 years of failed US foreign policy has resulted in a cataclismic mess in the Middle East. maybe it's time to resurrect that old well worn slogan, "Yankee go home!"

It is interesting that you put all the responsibility on the Americans.

The policy of the invasion you start out with was Saddam Hussein's policy.

Why does he get a pass for blame?

Given he asked America's "permission" to act against Kuwait, and the fact that America pushed for war rather than diplomacy, yes.

"Saddam claimed that he invaded Kuwait to support a local uprising against the Sabah royal family, and put a pliant ruler in its place.

This facade of maintaining an independent, yet pliant, Kuwait could have satisfied all of Saddam's war aims: eliminating Iraq's debt to Kuwait from the Iran-Iraq War, granting Iraq's navy an outlet to the sea, and ensuring respect and fear from his Gulf neighbours, without incurring alienation from the Arab and international world for occupying a sovereign state.

The Iraqi leader might have withdrawn from Kuwait in return for retaining the entire Rumaila oil field that straddles the Iraq-Kuwait border, and developing the Kuwaiti Bubiyan and Warbah islands as an Iraqi naval base.

Miscalculations

What would develop during those days would set into motion the events that culminated in the 1991 Gulf War.

On August 6, 1990, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 condemned the Iraqi invasion and demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait.

On August 7, the US president, George H W Bush, ordered the military to deploy to Saudi Arabia, drawing an infamous "line in the sand" against Iraq.

Saudi Arabia's permission to allow US forces to deploy on its soil made it impossible for Saddam to consider leaving Kuwait without seeming weak, and caving into Saudi and US pressure, a move tantamount to a surrender."

muslim colleagues----from countries in south east asia------with whom I spoke at that time ------were highly supportive of the invasion by Saddam of Kuwait-----those people ------that I knew at that time---tended to parrot the party-lines of
their own countries. The reason it was good? ---here it is>>>> THE KUWAITIS ARE SELFISH WITH THEIR OIL WEALTH AND TO NOT SUPPORT
MUSLIM CAUSES AROUND THE WORLD BUT SADDAM DID AND WOULD USE THE KUWAITI WEALTH TO HELP THE MUSLIM WORLD
 

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