So We Independents Visited Occupy Wall Street And...

[jillian]

They always make me laugh when they say shit like 'our voices are being heard around the world'. Umm, no it isn't. No one is paying any attention outside your own borders. In case y'all failed geography... the world is NOT America. Never has been, likely never will be.

And..... again.... if this is what they want, then where were they when the TEA Parties were doing it?

I'm sure they think that's what they're protesting for.... but it isn't. The man behind the mirror has a different agenda. Just sayin'.

why do you begrudge the people who actually see what's happened, while supporting the koch brothers' bought and paid for tea party?
the tea people are obama deranged old white people who started ranting about "taking back [their] government" the minute a black dem was elected and supported losers who pick judges who decided cases like Citizens United, while saying anyone who calls racists on their BS is racist. They oppose every single effort to support and bolster the middle class.

I hope that helps.

I don't 'begrudge' them. I laugh at their stupidity at times, but that's not 'begrudging'. Their 'protests' are bought and paid for by left wingers... including groups funded by Soros. So if the TEAs are irrelevant because of Koch, then so are OWS because of Soros. See how that works? What is fair is fair - apply it across the board or don't apply it. But applying it to one side and not the other... well... that could be seen as hypocrisy.

For the record, calling the TEAs racists is beneath you, Jillian. Seriously. That's so pathetic, please don't become one of the deranged lefties.

that's pretty funny given that they are at least smart enough to understand that nothing will change until you get corporate money out of politics.

as for the racist thing... maybe when you're older, you'll understand that racists don't generally tell you outright that they're racists. they do things like pretend the black president wasn't born here. they do things like demand their "country back" from a duly elected president, pretty much the day he was elected.

the racism is actually the least of it, though if you think it wasn't one of the motivating factors, you're naive. that does not mean all tea people are racist. they are, however, largely insecure older white people feeling marginalized by changing demographics.

 

[Skull Pilot]

These people are nothing like I expected. After talking with them in depth, we learned what they are really about. What is it?

Read Occupy

If you think it's worth sharing, pass it on.

Video is not up yet but it will be soon...

I dont see anything on there that I do not agree with 100%.

So you're dumb enough to believe that liquidating a portfolio in order to get a less than 1% return is a good idea?

 

[midcan5]

Let's see the evidence that the Tea Party was bought and paid for by the Koch brothers.

And when you fail to produce such evidence, you need to shut the fuck up about it.

"Koch’s detractors also like to point out the irony of the so-called grassroots tea-party movement’s being funded by a billionaire. Koch’s real motives, they say, are self-serving. In April, Fang posted a dossier on Koch that attributes to his groups a decades-long pattern of “Astroturfing”—funding movements designed to look grassroots, but which in fact represent corporate interests. Richard Fink insists that Koch’s political activity is about principles, not money. “I view David as a courageous American who has a set of beliefs that he’s willing to support consistently over time despite all the flak he gets,” Fink says. “Very few people would do that.”" How Oil Heir and New York Arts Patron David Koch Became the Tea Party's Wallet -- New York Magazine

back OT OWS

Read here: Judith Butler: Bodies in Alliance and the Politics of the Street | eipcp.net

Hear here: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfLZsb9by4]Judith Butler at Occupy WSP - YouTube[/ame]

 

[KissMy]

Ex-Goldman Sachs Chief / ex-prominent New Jersey Democrat Governor - Jon Corzine just bankrupted MF Global by investing in socialist countries. Will the OWS's go after him????? Will the FED bail him out???

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Let's see the evidence that the Tea Party was bought and paid for by the Koch brothers.

And when you fail to produce such evidence, you need to shut the fuck up about it.

"Koch’s detractors also like to point out the irony of the so-called grassroots tea-party movement’s being funded by a billionaire. Koch’s real motives, they say, are self-serving. In April, Fang posted a dossier on Koch that attributes to his groups a decades-long pattern of “Astroturfing”—funding movements designed to look grassroots, but which in fact represent corporate interests. Richard Fink insists that Koch’s political activity is about principles, not money. “I view David as a courageous American who has a set of beliefs that he’s willing to support consistently over time despite all the flak he gets,” Fink says. “Very few people would do that.”" How Oil Heir and New York Arts Patron David Koch Became the Tea Party's Wallet -- New York Magazine

back OT OWS

Read here: Judith Butler: Bodies in Alliance and the Politics of the Street | eipcp.net

Hear here: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfLZsb9by4]Judith Butler at Occupy WSP - YouTube[/ame]

I asked for evidence and you give me a blogger's opinion.

 

[IndependntLogic]

We are small to medium sized business-owners

1. This line is bullshit. No small business owner has the time to hang out with a bunch of spoiled whining brats because they're too busy running their businesses.

Mr. Romney, big companies are not people. WE are people. Yet you and corporate raiders like you, do everything for the 1% and nothing for the rest of us.

2.Why aren't you doing something for yourself instead of demanding that others do shit for you?



3.But here you are demanding and accepting your own government bail outs like Obammy's new student loan forgiveness plan or the mortgage refinance plan. You accept all kinds of refundable tax credits at the expense of others. You got yourself into debt so if you don't want to be hypocrites then you should get yourselves out of it.

4.

1. Pull every dime you have out of the major banks and put them in credit unions or small, local banks. If your country means more to you than a few extra dollars in your portfolio, liquidate it. Who’s that going to hurt? Those who make their living on Wall Street. The 1%

This just shows the OWS ignorance. If you liquidate a portfolio and put it all into a credit union earning less than 1% who will it hurt? Really are you supposed college grads and business owners that fucking stupid?

We don’t want handouts. We don’t want to end capitalism. We just want a government that prioritizes workers over Wall Street. Constituents over Corporations.

5.You do want hand outs. This whole "give me a job" attitude is nothing but begging for a handout. If the governor of a city where you sheep are shitting all over the place offered $10 dollar an hour jobs doing grounds maintenance and street sweeping cleaning up the mess you pigs make would you take the jobs and stop blaming everyone else for your problems?

Somehow I doubt it.

I'm sure you genuinely believe everything you've posted but you're just plain wrong. I had mostly negative views until recently and then going in person and interviewing people.

1. The neighbor who first invited me to check it out, owns a UPS store. I own a small business (and unlike all the other so-called millionaires and business-owners here, I don't hide behind the anonymity of the net). So hmmm. That would completely negate, your claims that no small biz owners are there,
2. or that people supporting this don't do things for themsleves.
3. OWS didn't demand Obama make some political moves but it IS nice to see he might do something for the citizens, as opposed to the Banks & Major Corps.
4. I don't think the intent is to do that permanently - just until the message is received.
5. This is so um, less than intelligent, it makes it hard not to respond without being insulting or condescending. Let me try it this way. These are their main two points. If they are valid, reasonable and strong points, Conservatives will dodge, change the subject etc... as always. Or those who are strong of character will simply answer yes or no. What are your answers?

Point 1. Do you want Corporations, Banks and Unions to have less influence on our elections and policy?
Point 2. Are you pissed that Obama broke his promise to get lobbyists out of Washington and would you like to get rid of them all?

Simple questions.

 

[Inthemiddle]

They are a tool for man, they should serve man, not man serve them.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

They always make me laugh when they say shit like 'our voices are being heard around the world'. Umm, no it isn't. No one is paying any attention outside your own borders. In case y'all failed geography... the world is NOT America. Never has been, likely never will be.

And..... again.... if this is what they want, then where were they when the TEA Parties were doing it?

I'm sure they think that's what they're protesting for.... but it isn't. The man behind the mirror has a different agenda. Just sayin'.

why do you begrudge the people who actually see what's happened, while supporting the koch brothers' bought and paid for tea party?
the tea people are obama deranged old white people who started ranting about "taking back [their] government" the minute a black dem was elected and supported losers who pick judges who decided cases like Citizens United, while saying anyone who calls racists on their BS is racist. They oppose every single effort to support and bolster the middle class.

I hope that helps.

You sound more and more deranged each week. I am not that old. I don't froth at the mouth about Obama like a rabid bat. Can you believe that my objection to the man is his policy, rather than his pigment? If pigment is all you see in any discussion, then you need to check your vision.

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

I would love to see a reporter ask them "at what temperature will you pack it up and go home"? what are they gonna do in december? build igloos and burn yule logs? live off of beer and canned food?

 

[IndependntLogic]

I would love to see a reporter ask them "at what temperature will you pack it up and go home"? what are they gonna do in december? build igloos and burn yule logs? live off of beer and canned food?

THis thing has grown WAY beyond the tent groups. It already dwarfs the Tea Party by an order of ten or more.
Whether they live in tents or not, their protests will continue with those of US who are homeowners.
At this point, I'm 100% behind their goals.
As far as liquidating my portfolio for a few months well, it's not like I've been making a killing lately anyway...

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

well at least the homeless can sleep in the tents when the OWS Crappers are away shopping,pimping,looking for firewood, or keeping warm in the library.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Good thing you didn't step in the feces or get raped or blown up while you were there huh?

I hope you brought them a snow shovel by the way.

 

[oreo]

President Obama, you promised us Hope and Change. You promised

to get the Lobbyists out of the White House. Instead of being a historical president, you kept them and turned out to be just another empty suit. Did you think we wouldn’t notice?



Occupy Wall Street is does not support any political party or candidate because they are all owned by Corporate America now.

The above describes, I suspect, the central belief of the OWS.

Certainly it describes the central complaint of everyone that I know who supports the OWS movement.

Not a single so called "leftie" I know is a big fan of Obama, or of the DNC, either.

Admittedly they loathe the GOP openly, but their disgust for the aggregate of what the Democratic party now stands for isn't a secret, either.


I believe that the OWS movment represents the concerns and anger of about half the nation's popualtion.

In terms of passive supporter (those who agree but who do not participate) I think the OWS movement is a larger populist movement than the Tea Party.

Bull crap--out of the 99% of this group--97% are there in support of Barack Obama and you know it.--otherwise they would be much more vocal against him--and they're not.

And here is what most really want in a radio interview with master occupier Lloyd Hart.
96.9 Boston Talks Audio On-Demand

Jim Rockford couldn't have explained the Occupy whatever protester better than he did 20 years ago---

http://youtu.be/YDPayWN9elk

 

[IndependntLogic]

President Obama, you promised us Hope and Change. You promised

to get the Lobbyists out of the White House. Instead of being a historical president, you kept them and turned out to be just another empty suit. Did you think we wouldn’t notice?



Occupy Wall Street is does not support any political party or candidate because they are all owned by Corporate America now.

The above describes, I suspect, the central belief of the OWS.

Certainly it describes the central complaint of everyone that I know who supports the OWS movement.

Not a single so called "leftie" I know is a big fan of Obama, or of the DNC, either.

Admittedly they loathe the GOP openly, but their disgust for the aggregate of what the Democratic party now stands for isn't a secret, either.


I believe that the OWS movment represents the concerns and anger of about half the nation's popualtion.

In terms of passive supporter (those who agree but who do not participate) I think the OWS movement is a larger populist movement than the Tea Party.

Bull crap--out of the 99% of this group--97% are there in support of Barack Obama and you know it.--otherwise they would be much more vocal against him--and they're not.

And here is what most really want in a radio interview with master occupier Lloyd Hart.
96.9 Boston Talks Audio On-Demand

Jim Rockford couldn't have explained the Occupy whatever protester better than he did 20 years ago---

Your alternative lifestyle comes out of somebody else's pocket - YouTube

So basically, you reject the message that makes sense because it proves these people aren't what your thought masters have to you to think of them. Got it.
Some day, when you can think for yourself, you'll learn things aren't always as portrayed on the MSM - which obviously you love and adore and trust now....

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

I am assuming that every tent has at least two five gallon buckets,,,one for "Number 1" and one for "Number 2", and every night after Midnight, the tent owner dumps them in the sewers, or right on the street. Then the cars that run over the feces has poop wedged into the tire grooves. ...then they wonder why their garages smells like the OWS Protesters. {ok,,,,,it's just an extreme scenario},,,but they must have buckets in those tents,,,so caveman like!

 

[oreo]

there is an occupy in London. The Telegraph spends a lot of time laughing at them. They aren't quite so criminal as the US version, but they do engage in a lot of fakery. (2/3s of the london tents are empty, according to one experiment the telegraph conducted. )

London doesn't vote here in the United States--nor does any other non citizen of this country.

I suspect that the 99% is really the 9.9% of this country that feel they have been cheated out of something--and if they would put half the effort into trying to get ahead that they have spent sitting around some park--that they could become one of the 1% of this country--one day.

 

[oreo]

The above describes, I suspect, the central belief of the OWS.

Certainly it describes the central complaint of everyone that I know who supports the OWS movement.

Not a single so called "leftie" I know is a big fan of Obama, or of the DNC, either.

Admittedly they loathe the GOP openly, but their disgust for the aggregate of what the Democratic party now stands for isn't a secret, either.


I believe that the OWS movment represents the concerns and anger of about half the nation's popualtion.

In terms of passive supporter (those who agree but who do not participate) I think the OWS movement is a larger populist movement than the Tea Party.

Bull crap--out of the 99% of this group--97% are there in support of Barack Obama and you know it.--otherwise they would be much more vocal against him--and they're not.

And here is what most really want in a radio interview with master occupier Lloyd Hart.
96.9 Boston Talks Audio On-Demand

Jim Rockford couldn't have explained the Occupy whatever protester better than he did 20 years ago---

Your alternative lifestyle comes out of somebody else's pocket - YouTube

So basically, you reject the message that makes sense because it proves these people aren't what your thought masters have to you to think of them. Got it.
Some day, when you can think for yourself, you'll learn things aren't always as portrayed on the MSM - which obviously you love and adore and trust now....

Don't give me that crap--if you occupy whatever protesters were really serious about making the changes you want us to believe you support--you would have been right there with the tea party movement in this country. You were ABSENT--or more than likely cheering on a media that was calling us racists and every other name in the book. You applauded it.

You are out there today--because BARRY Obama told you to take off your bedroom slippers and put your boots on. He has campaigned for the last 3-1/2 years against the top 1% and Wall Street--and now that his approval numbers are falling off of a cliff you have decided to invade and occupy parks and other public places.

IOW--you're full of sh....t--and you know it. You plan on heading to the voting booth this 2012 to vote for the biggest spender--the biggest taxer--and the biggest destroyer of jobs known to man. Barry Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H47tHjR5oA&feature=youtu.be

Don't tell me this isn't socialism.

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

and what about the tens of millions of americans who worked hard for 2/3 years to save up to buy a home back in the 80s & 90s? (like myself) Obama supporters and OWS Crappers just want homes/cars/cash just handed to them. Thats the divide between the Crappers and the Tea Party {aside from a balanced budget}

 

[IndependntLogic]

Bull crap--out of the 99% of this group--97% are there in support of Barack Obama and you know it.--otherwise they would be much more vocal against him--and they're not.

And here is what most really want in a radio interview with master occupier Lloyd Hart.
96.9 Boston Talks Audio On-Demand

Jim Rockford couldn't have explained the Occupy whatever protester better than he did 20 years ago---

Your alternative lifestyle comes out of somebody else's pocket - YouTube

So basically, you reject the message that makes sense because it proves these people aren't what your thought masters have to you to think of them. Got it.
Some day, when you can think for yourself, you'll learn things aren't always as portrayed on the MSM - which obviously you love and adore and trust now....

Don't give me that crap--if you occupy whatever protesters were really serious about making the changes you want us to believe you support--you would have been right there with the tea party movement in this country. You were ABSENT--or more than likely cheering on a media that was calling us racists and every other name in the book. You applauded it.

You are out there today--because BARRY Obama told you to take off your bedroom slippers and put your boots on. He has campaigned for the last 3-1/2 years against the top 1% and Wall Street--and now that his approval numbers are falling off of a cliff you have decided to invade and occupy parks and other public places.

IOW--you're full of sh....t--and you know it. You plan on heading to the voting booth this 2012 to vote for the biggest spender--the biggest taxer--and the biggest destroyer of jobs known to man. Barry Obama.

Occupy DC invades Newseum, hates on Ron Paul & Alex Jones - YouTube

Don't tell me this isn't socialism.

I'll give you whatever crap I want. I can do that with really, really stupid people. You obviously didn't read the link.
I wasn't applauding or even believing the media about the Tea Party. I have been to their meetings etc... too. Then I came here to learn more. It was once I saw the post of whackjobs like you, that I knew I wanted no part of it (although I do still like the people I met irl).
The differences between the Tea Whackjobs and OWS goals would have been evident, if you had bothered to look at the link.
For one thing, OW isn't stupid enough to think it's those poor billionaires who need protecting. Only a fool is that stupid.

 

[CT9]

These people are nothing like I expected. After talking with them in depth, we learned what they are really about. What is it?

Read Occupy

If you think it's worth sharing, pass it on.

Video is not up yet but it will be soon...

I'm a little lost on how the housing crash has anything to do with the fact these people accumulated debt. They were going to regardless and be unemployed probably regardless.

It's also interesting how they are nothing like you expected when all I saw out of your posts was support and a optimistic/positive view on them from the beginning. Your logic is hardly independent.