So Now On To Expanding ObamaCare Like The Exit Polls Showed The Voters Want!

[mascale]

Actually, CNN had noted this all day--if nobody else did. The National Health Care Plan is actually supported, and including in the direction of having it expaned.

Six Nuggets from the 2010 Exit Polls : CJR

The Democrats are easily said to have undersold their own agenda. The Phony "Red Tide" was not entirely Conservative About It! 31% actually want it expanded, of the 48% in support of it.

Mostly, tacking on law books full of settled case law in its support, or repeal: Will mostly help to really piss the "Red Tide" off!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred.
(White Eyes Leprechaun, At End Of Rainbow, Find False readings Instead of Shiny Trinkets!)

 

[Saikron]

Other polls show that voters are against "obamacare."

Personally, the only thing I see wrong with Obama's health care reform is the mandate. The bill was more than funded, so actually reduced the deficit. It got rid of preexisting conditions and set up the exchange (something McCain supported).

If you want to fix "obamacare" you really want more regulation on the insurance industry and something that will actually LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS.

 

[Annie]

Actually, CNN had noted this all day--if nobody else did. The National Health Care Plan is actually supported, and including in the direction of having it expaned.

Six Nuggets from the 2010 Exit Polls : CJR

The Democrats are easily said to have undersold their own agenda. The Phony "Red Tide" was not entirely Conservative About It! 31% actually want it expanded, of the 48% in support of it.

Mostly, tacking on law books full of settled case law in its support, or repeal: Will mostly help to really piss the "Red Tide" off!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred.
(White Eyes Leprechaun, At End Of Rainbow, Find False readings Instead of Shiny Trinkets!)

Good luck with that. Are you hoping to be the Rush Limbaugh of the left on USMB and begin a tidal wave?

Hear me boy, you are pushing a losing cause here.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Actually, CNN had noted this all day--if nobody else did. The National Health Care Plan is actually supported, and including in the direction of having it expaned.

Six Nuggets from the 2010 Exit Polls : CJR

The Democrats are easily said to have undersold their own agenda. The Phony "Red Tide" was not entirely Conservative About It! 31% actually want it expanded, of the 48% in support of it.

Mostly, tacking on law books full of settled case law in its support, or repeal: Will mostly help to really piss the "Red Tide" off!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred.
(White Eyes Leprechaun, At End Of Rainbow, Find False readings Instead of Shiny Trinkets!)

The majority of Americans are against obamacare. It is nothing more than gov't takeover of more of our lives. Dimwits are idiots.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

About 58 percent are against obamacare.

 

[mascale]

Broken down into its specifics, the support for the individual parts of the Affordable Health Care Reform was fairly overwhelming. That was a Bloomberg find, of late in the summer. In the very same poll, when asked if they supported the health care form--a general question--then a small majority were in opposition.

Heatlh Care reform is new.

To defend it, all that the Democrats have to do is go line item by line item.

Two-Thirds of the National Government is Liberal. In the Senate, two in opposition are fairly moderate. Rand Paul is Libertarian-leaning, and And Mostly the Alaska woman will likely want to tar and feather Sarah Palin--and run her out of the RepublicanParty, Karl Rove sending in the money.

National Health Care Reform is likely not going to do well as a legislative starter for the "Red Tide" in the new convening House of Representatives. The Senate will likely do national appealing and real things, for example: And for two years.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(White Eyes Leprechaun Leader claimed a morning after mandate(?), not at all reflected in the election results!)

 

[Saikron]

The majority of Americans are against obamacare. It is nothing more than gov't takeover of more of our lives. Dimwits are idiots.

It's like you've been told what to think about so many things, you don't recall what you're supposed to think about which topic any more.

What, specifically, did health care reform do to take over our lives?

Followup: will Republicans stop trying to take over our lives and let us smoke pot and have same sex marriages or are they going to keep pushing those buttons?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Oh man...now THIS op is funny.
A little advice to the OP - that person you think likes you, you know the one who has the retraining order on you and paid that guy to beat the crap out of you last week...you might rethink this a little.

 

[Zander]

We don't need an EXIT poll - we have the real one. In that poll - Voters put House Republicans - remind me again, how many of them voted YES on Obamacare? - in complete charge of the House by a massive majority. Wake up and smell the TEA.

 

[eagleseven]

Mascale, who I've long thought was a script written by some bored Comp Sci major...is writing coherent paragraphs?

A sign of the apocalypse!

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Or perhaps the script is just pooling random comments from various news articles?

 

[Sallow]

People seem to think that the Health Care Reform Bill is just not liked by conservatives who feel it's to "intrusive". And that's not correct at all. They are plenty of people that wanted single payer or a public option..but because insurance companies and their Republican allies lobbied heavily against it..got something much less.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

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[antagon]

Other polls show that voters are against "obamacare."

Personally, the only thing I see wrong with Obama's health care reform is the mandate. The bill was more than funded, so actually reduced the deficit. It got rid of preexisting conditions and set up the exchange (something McCain supported).

If you want to fix "obamacare" you really want more regulation on the insurance industry and something that will actually LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS.

the mandate is the most important part of the bill unfortunately. mandates are historically responsible for private healthcare as we know it. i'm left with the impression that irresponsible use from uninsured has brought our system to the verge or insolvency (insurance is a ponzi) and that a further mandate was the top solution.

the mandate is what your more than funded characterization relies on, too.

 

[Saikron]

the mandate is the most important part of the bill unfortunately. mandates are historically responsible for private healthcare as we know it. i'm left with the impression that irresponsible use from uninsured has brought our system to the verge or insolvency (insurance is a ponzi) and that a further mandate was the top solution.

the mandate is what your more than funded characterization relies on, too.

What do you mean "mandates are historically responsible for private healthcare as we know it"? I'm talking specifically about the mandate that says you have to get insurance or we are going to fine you.

Insurance is not a ponzi scheme. A ponzi scheme is an investment that can only pay out if more people continue to invest.

I'm not sure what you mean by uninsured people have brought the system to the verge of insolvency. Insurance companies gradually decided that their original business model of charging people for protection when they needed it wasn't making them enough money, so they changed it.

The new model? Charge people money for protection, then when they need it do everything in your power to prevent them from getting what you promised.

The mandate doesn't fix that problem and it doesn't have anything to do with how the Affordable Care Act impacts the deficit AFAIK, but if you have some evidence of that I'd be happy to know.

 

[TossObama]

Actually, CNN had noted this all day--if nobody else did. The National Health Care Plan is actually supported, and including in the direction of having it expaned.

Six Nuggets from the 2010 Exit Polls : CJR

The Democrats are easily said to have undersold their own agenda. The Phony "Red Tide" was not entirely Conservative About It! 31% actually want it expanded, of the 48% in support of it.

Mostly, tacking on law books full of settled case law in its support, or repeal: Will mostly help to really piss the "Red Tide" off!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred.
(White Eyes Leprechaun, At End Of Rainbow, Find False readings Instead of Shiny Trinkets!)

At least try to quote it correctly. The percentages are of THOSE POLLED and they did not give the number of people whom them Polled or what area they Polled. Those are highly significant factors, as anyone who has ever had to take a Stat Class knows.

For all you know they Polled 4 people, 2 agreed and 1 was split on their opinion. That's 43% but even that number isn't significant, and Pollsters know that.

To get an accurate Poll, one must question 100 people out of every 1,000 and note the historical differences of those people and the areas they are from. I.E. were they all in Nursing Homes? Or maybe cave dwellers?

The only almost valid exit Poll question is "did you vote?" Any other questions/answers are nothing but guff.

Americans tend to get dragged around by the tail when it comes to Polls. Their interest is to shove Americans into political agendas by making everyone think "everyone else wants this" when nobody wants any such thing.

Who are Pollsters? Psycho shrinks. Nothing they ever do or claim is ever valid scientifically.

 

[Greenbeard]

the mandate is the most important part of the bill unfortunately. mandates are historically responsible for private healthcare as we know it. i'm left with the impression that irresponsible use from uninsured has brought our system to the verge or insolvency (insurance is a ponzi) and that a further mandate was the top solution.

the mandate is what your more than funded characterization relies on, too.

It's interesting because it sort of gets at a philosophical point. If you look at the health care bills Paul Ryan and Tom Coburn were pushing, on the insurance side they were structurally pretty similar to the ACA. They called for state-based exchanges to be built, subject to certain protections against pre-existing condition exclusions and offering benefit packages comparable to that of the FEHBP. Now you'd generally need a mandate if you're going to limit underwriting (though their bills were a little less stringent in doing so) and you don't want destructive amounts of free-riding to happen.

But in their bills what they have instead of a mandate is autoenrollment into their exchanges. That is, if you don't pick a plan of your choice, you're automatically enrolled into a default option but with the ability to opt-out. They relied on research into soft (or "libertarian") paternalism developed by folks like Cass Sunstein that found that, by and large, if you default people into an option they're pretty unlikely to go through the effort of opting out. Thus the state "nudges" people into a certain direction by defaulting them into it and relying on people's natural inertia to keep the vast majority in. It ostensibly leaves you freedom of choice while relying on the fact that you probably won't exercise it.

Is that a more palatable system? I couldn't say, though I imagine if the circumstances are right it's worth a shot.

 

[TossObama]

What we need are more Grandmothers stepping up to the plate.

They seem to readily recognize that the Obama plan is NOT Health Care Insurance, but a con.

Good ol boys keep want to chew and chew and chew knowing full well none of it can be swallowed, so they keep everyone focused on the chewing. (Isn't that the way those street corner shell games are played?? Redirecting focus??)

Here in Texas we have some ticked off Grannies who are darned well ready to take bull dockers to the good ol boys in this mess.

Thankfully the Republicans swept the November 2 elections. I think they know what to do with Chicago style politicians, their con jobs and their dangerous ideas on Medical Care.

Texans are also willing to loan our Governor Rick Perry to the country to get all this mess straightened out -- on the condition we get him back after he cleans up DC. He belongs to us and we are keeping him.

 

[mascale]

The exit poll is a published information, data-based, polling: And is so-reported.

Bags of shit who kept the money, while babies of mothers were being sent to die in Iraq and Afghanistan, basis-free: Fail to read, likely, even National Health Care legislation!

If that describes Speaker Apparent Boehner, then that is about the expected level of the "red tide," coming into only one third of the National Government, in the United States.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many don't read that Many Do Read funny markings of White Eyes: On their paper!)

 

[TossObama]

The exit poll is a published information, data-based, polling: And is so-reported.

Bags of shit who kept the money, while babies of mothers were being sent to die in Iraq and Afghanistan, basis-free: Fail to read, likely, even National Health Care legislation!

If that describes Speaker Apparent Boehner, then that is about the expected level of the "red tide," coming into only one third of the National Government, in the United States.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many don't read that Many Do Read funny markings of White Eyes: On their paper!)

Have YOU read the so-called "health care" legislation and all the committees b.s.????

You might want to do that.

I'm a Democrat, but if it takes Republicans to clean up this Obama mess then so be it. Chicago style goons are NOT going to run around this country medically murdering Patients. That garbage is coming to a halt.

 

[Saikron]

Chicago style goons are NOT going to run around this country medically murdering Patients. That garbage is coming to a halt.

You might actually agree with the part you are talking about if you knew what it really said. The first "death panel" scare was about a part of the legislation that provided optional "advance care planning" which is a euphemism for talking with your doctor about what to do when you have a terminal illness. It's something that people already have the option to do in this country through many private insurance plans. It had nothing to do with euthanasia or killing granny.

There have been other "death panel" scares, but I promise you that if they had any substance to them, the actual text of the bill would be printed everywhere. Sarah Palin said they were in Section 1233 of HR 3200 because she was betting people would be too lazy to look it up and see that she was full of shit.