So Much for Gaza Being a Concentration Camp

[Hollie]

all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

Or the settlement of Jordan...is that why every time they mention Ottoman deeds they refuse to present knowing how much land was stolen from Jews in those records?

Maybe that's why You don't have any problem with Arabs demanding domination over the whole region while Jews are forced into a tiny reservation, less than 1% of the territory in the entire middle east.

That is just a lie.
Jews always were protected and prospered under Islam.
That is why Jews take high paying jobs from Islamic leaders, like to be Viziers in the Iberian Peninsula.
All these Muslim nations you showed a map of never, ever harmed any Jew or confiscated any property. The Jews voluntarily sneaked out of these countries and illegally headed for Israel where they were promised free homes stolen from the native Palestinians.
Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.
Jews left the Mideast around 160 AD, and there has never been any sort of significant Mideast presence until after 1930 or so.
In 1920, the Jewish population of what became Israel later, was less than 5% Jewish.
There was very little Jewish Population in the Mideast for nearly two centuries.
The current Jewish population of Israel is almost entirely European.
And once again, it is important to remind everyone that you are a liar.

Dhimmitude: History: Dhimmitude

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

 

[Rigby5]

A little extra light reading for you ...

"In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure. However, as it became known that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret and because the treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews, in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing.[29]

In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. The Jews themselves were violently forced to convert, narrowly avoiding complete massacre.[28] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[30][31] In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam.[32]

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote of Persian Jews:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."

-- Source (Wikipedia)

History of the Jews under Muslim rule - Wikipedia

That is ridiculous hogwash.
Not only is the Quran extremely clear that there is to not discrimination against any other Abrahamic religion like Judaism, but it is a historic fact that the most valued of all government administrators, like Viziers, where almost always Jewish.
Always in historic accounts, it is Christians harming Jews, and it is Muslims defending them.
And the proof currently is that the 3rd largest Jewish population, after the US and Israel, is Iran.

You can cherry pick absurd propaganda all you want, and it will not change the facts.
It is obvious that Muslims NEVER harmed Jews, but it was Zionists who not only invaded Palestine, but tried to massacre as many Muslim villages as they could get away with.
Again, all you have to do is look up the Massacre of Dier Yassin.
Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia
The look at a map of Palestine from 1940 or so, and compare it with one from 1950 or so, and you will see that hundreds of Arab villages disappeared. Their native inhabitants murdered. Israel is born in the blood of innocent women and children murdered, and it will never be able to wash that away.

 

[fncceo]

It is obvious that Muslims NEVER harmed Jews,

 

[member]

Okay? What, you trying to get applause for the perseverance of an occupied people that are under constant blockade, border closures, and no right to self-determination?

Here we are again with the false “occupied people” slogan. Are you looking for applause for cut and paste slogans?

That’s the Israeli position, and nobody else’s.

I’m hoping you can give us specifics on this occupation you allege.

Who controls the airspace, land crossings, territorial waters, and passport processing of Gaza? Is Gaza a sovereign entity, with control over its own territory? The UN considers it occupied, the last vote expressing that opinion unanimously.

Are you suggesting they are not occupied just because Israel stopped stealing their land a few years ago?

Why do the super wealthy West Gazans not allow the Hamas East Gazans in?

"Why do the super wealthy West Gazans not allow the Hamas East Gazans in?"


because - even THEY know:

there goes the neighborhood !

 

[ForeverYoung436]

no right to self-determination?

Didn't they elect Hamas as their leadership?

Hamas does not have the authority a sovereign nation should have, such as freedom of access to foreign trade, and even the right to fish in territorial waters. Israel denies them self determination at every item. Israel denies Hamas the ability to give Palestinians self determination. Israel won't even allow Gaza to reopen the airport.

Hamas, the elected leadership of the Gaza Palestinians, is waging a declared war against Israel.

Despite that, Israel sends tens of thousands of tons of food and fuel aid to Gaza and tens of thousands of Palestinians receive free medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.

How much aid did the US give Germany and Japan in the middle of the Second world war?

Wrong.
Hamas NEVER declared war on Israel, and in fact, acknowledged Israel's right to exist about 30 years ago.
You are just lying.
Israel sends absolutely NO food or fuel at all to Gaza, but instead only allows a tiny portion of the food and fuel that Gaza buys, to get through. And even that they heavily tax.
And no, Palestinians do NOT get medical treatment at Israeli hospitals.
In fact, Israelis Arabs are banned from Israeli hospitals, and have to get treatment from other sources.

This has no similarity at all to WWII where Germany and Japan started the hostilities, because the Arabs never had any weapons or troops, and never started anything. This is just deliberate genocide of the Palestinian civilians by well armed, Zionist, fanatic invaders.

So many lies and/or ignorance, that I don't know where to start.

1) I don't know if Hamas has ever formally declared war, but they keep on throwing rockets at Israel, so it's basically the same thing.

2) Hamas has NEVER recognized Israel's right to exist. At best, they've agreed to temporary "hudnas."

3) Israel sends tons of food and medical supplies to Gaza every single day.

4) My grandmother was treated at a hospital in Haifa. The hospital was not only filled with Israeli Arab patients, but Israeli Arab doctors and nurses as well.

5) Israel was attacked in 1948 by 5 Arab armies with weapons and troops,

6) There has been no genocide of Palestinians. Palestinians have, in fact, increased greatly in numbers. At best, there was only some ethnic cleansing, to be honest. But Palestinians still make up the majority of the West Bank's population, so it wasn't too successful.

 

[Rigby5]

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

Or the settlement of Jordan...is that why every time they mention Ottoman deeds they refuse to present knowing how much land was stolen from Jews in those records?

Maybe that's why You don't have any problem with Arabs demanding domination over the whole region while Jews are forced into a tiny reservation, less than 1% of the territory in the entire middle east.

That is just a lie.
Jews always were protected and prospered under Islam.
That is why Jews take high paying jobs from Islamic leaders, like to be Viziers in the Iberian Peninsula.
All these Muslim nations you showed a map of never, ever harmed any Jew or confiscated any property. The Jews voluntarily sneaked out of these countries and illegally headed for Israel where they were promised free homes stolen from the native Palestinians.
Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.
Jews left the Mideast around 160 AD, and there has never been any sort of significant Mideast presence until after 1930 or so.
In 1920, the Jewish population of what became Israel later, was less than 5% Jewish.
There was very little Jewish Population in the Mideast for nearly two centuries.
The current Jewish population of Israel is almost entirely European.
And once again, it is important to remind everyone that you are a liar.

Dhimmitude: History: Dhimmitude

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

Lies.
The definition of dhimmis is:

Dhimmi - a person living in a region overrun by Muslim conquest who was accorded a protected status and allowed to retain his or her original faith.

The protected status of dhimmis means no harm can be done to them or any rights or property taken. They can not be humiliated, segregated, or discriminated against. The whole point of a protected status is that they are specifically put above even the status of average Muslims, who might have a criminal background.

And again, this is totally proven false by the fact Jews preferred to employment of Muslims, like in the Iberian Peninsula, and the fact they also choose Muslim Palestine as their main place to emigrate to when Europe started to become hostile to Jews around 1930.

 

[Rigby5]

Here we are again with the false “occupied people” slogan. Are you looking for applause for cut and paste slogans?

That’s the Israeli position, and nobody else’s.

I’m hoping you can give us specifics on this occupation you allege.

Who controls the airspace, land crossings, territorial waters, and passport processing of Gaza? Is Gaza a sovereign entity, with control over its own territory? The UN considers it occupied, the last vote expressing that opinion unanimously.

Are you suggesting they are not occupied just because Israel stopped stealing their land a few years ago?

Why do the super wealthy West Gazans not allow the Hamas East Gazans in?

"Why do the super wealthy West Gazans not allow the Hamas East Gazans in?"


because - even THEY know:

there goes the neighborhood !

That is silly not only because all of the Gaza Strip voted in Hamas every time an election came up after 2006, but because Rafa on the west border of Gaza and Egypt, is one of Hamas's strongholds.

 

[Rigby5]

no right to self-determination?

Didn't they elect Hamas as their leadership?

Hamas does not have the authority a sovereign nation should have, such as freedom of access to foreign trade, and even the right to fish in territorial waters. Israel denies them self determination at every item. Israel denies Hamas the ability to give Palestinians self determination. Israel won't even allow Gaza to reopen the airport.

Hamas, the elected leadership of the Gaza Palestinians, is waging a declared war against Israel.

Despite that, Israel sends tens of thousands of tons of food and fuel aid to Gaza and tens of thousands of Palestinians receive free medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.

How much aid did the US give Germany and Japan in the middle of the Second world war?

Wrong.
Hamas NEVER declared war on Israel, and in fact, acknowledged Israel's right to exist about 30 years ago.
You are just lying.
Israel sends absolutely NO food or fuel at all to Gaza, but instead only allows a tiny portion of the food and fuel that Gaza buys, to get through. And even that they heavily tax.
And no, Palestinians do NOT get medical treatment at Israeli hospitals.
In fact, Israelis Arabs are banned from Israeli hospitals, and have to get treatment from other sources.

This has no similarity at all to WWII where Germany and Japan started the hostilities, because the Arabs never had any weapons or troops, and never started anything. This is just deliberate genocide of the Palestinian civilians by well armed, Zionist, fanatic invaders.

So many lies and/or ignorance, that I don't know where to start.

1) I don't know if Hamas has ever formally declared war, but they keep on throwing rockets at Israel, so it's basically the same thing.

2) Hamas has NEVER recognized Israel's right to exist. At best, they've agreed to temporary "hudnas."

3) Israel sends tons of food and medical supplies to Gaza every single day.

4) My grandmother was treated at a hospital in Haifa. The hospital was not only filled with Israeli Arab patients, but Israeli Arab doctors and nurses as well.

5) Israel was attacked in 1948 by 5 Arab armies with weapons and troops,

6) There has been no genocide of Palestinians. Palestinians have, in fact, increased greatly in numbers. At best, there was only some ethnic cleansing, to be honest. But Palestinians still make up the majority of the West Bank's population, so it wasn't too successful.

1) No, Hamas never initiates any violence at all but only retaliates after Israel does another massacre, like assassinations, white phosphorous, an artillery barrage on children at the beach, more illegal land confiscations for more illegal Jewish settlements, etc.

2) Right from day one, Hamas has been willing to recognize the right of Israel to exist and exclude the used of force.

{... Hamas Officials Already Recognize Israel's Right to Exist, Apparently

It looks like the top elected officials in the Palestinian Hamas party are signaling that they accept Israel's right to exist. Last week the highest-ranking Hamas leader, Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, told Israel's most prestigious newspaper, Ha'aretz: "If Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, peace will prevail and we will implement a cease-fire [hudna] for many years."

A hudna is more than just a "cease-fire." An erudite article in the Encyclopedia of Islam tells us that "hudna in Islamic law is equivalent to 'international treaty' in modern terminology. Its object is to suspend the legal effects of hostilities and to provide the prerequisite conditions of peace between Muslims and non-Muslims, without the latter's territory becoming part of dar al-Islam.'"

Those last words are the most important. The devout traditionalists of Hamas take Islamic law seriously. They know that the law divides the whole world into two categories: dar al-Islam, the territory ruled by Muslims, and dar al-harb, the rest of the world. For centuries, the land that became Israel was part of dar al-Islam. Only in 1948, when Israel declared its independence, was it claimed by dar al-harb. That's a big part of what galls Muslim traditionalists.

If Hamas is now willing to offer a hudna, it means not merely accepting the existence of Israel (you can't negotiate with a country that doesn't exist), but treating Israel as part of dar al-harb. As the Encyclopedia explains, Muslims don't make a hudna treaty with anyone inside the dar al-Islam. It all goes back to the example set by Mohammed, as recorded in the Quran. He made treaties with Jewish communities who came under Muslim rule. But they are not called hudna. By offering a hudna, Prime Minister Haniyeh is implying that he'll accept the land inside Israel's 1967 borders as gone from Muslim rule for good.
...}

So anyone claiming that Hamas or Muslims are in any way part of the problem, is just lying.
The problem is that Israel continually and illegally confiscates more Muslims homes for new Jewish settlements.

3) Israel send nothing to the Palestinians. Israel merely allows through some of which Muslims have purchased, and it taxes even that.

4) Haifa has Arab hospitals as well as Jewish ones. You are describing an Arab hospital.

5) Israel was not attacked by 5 Arab nations in 1948. The reality is that Zionists started the war in 1946 by starting to massace and wipe out Arab villages like Dier Yassin. You can not deny it. It is proven fact because too many western people witnessed the bodies of hundreds of dead Arab women and children deliberately murdered by Zionists.

6) The failure of Zionists to finish the genocide against the Arabs does not excuse that is not only was attempted, but is still being conducted with a focus now more on stealing land than on just murder.

 

[member]

Okay? What, you trying to get applause for the perseverance of an occupied people that are under constant blockade, border closures, and no right to self-determination?

They have every right to self-determination (and some level of actual self-determination). But they haven't put in the work necessary to build a nation in order to bring about their self-determination.

Blockades, embargos and border closures are all responses to security threats. Don't want blockades, embargos and border closures? Don't be a security threat. Not rocket science.

Surrender and take whatever we force on you. That’s a great negotiaing position. There will never be peace in the “holy” land. The people fleeing are the smartest ones there.

Because there’s peace everywhere else...

Maybe the more blood is spilled somewhere, the holier it becomes. Maybe that’s where all the thoughts and prayers go. Maybe it really is the holiest land on Earth then.

Not to mention Serbia and Croatia...
Those Catholics and Muslims are very passionate about their Holy Land.

"Those Catholics [...] are very passionate about their Holy Land" [i.e., God, it's about being passionate for God].

 

[Rigby5]

Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world

Yeah no. Macau, Monaco, Singapore, Hong Kong and Gibralter all have higher population densities. And quality of life is not measured in population density. Nothing but a red herring to demonize Israel.

Wrong. Macau, Monaco, Singapore, Hong Kong and Gibralter have a higher population density than the entire Gaza Strip, but that is because Israel has closed most of the Gaza Strip to Palestinian access.
Gaza city has the highest population density in the world, and that does imply very poor living conditions, because it is forced. People are denied the ability to leave. And if they do get permission, then they are not allowed to return. Food and commerce is also deliberately blocked, in an attempt to force people to leave.

It is not a redherring, nor does one have to demonize what clearly is the truth.

 

[Rigby5]

because the Arabs never had any weapons or troops, and never started anything.

That is silly because we were talking about Palestinian Arabs.
Obviously colonial possessions like Egypt were given weapons by the British so they could fight for the British.
None of those image are Palestinians, because the British kept them unarmed.

 

[Rigby5]

Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.

Here's a little list to get you started...

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia

Total and complete lies.
It is easy to prove, because if there was any sort of danger from Arabs, then all those 5 million European Jews would not have emigrated to Palestine.
They were offered free land in dozens of alternatives, ranging from Spain to Madagascar, but they preferred Palestine because they felt safer in an Arab Muslim area with the well known ties between Jews and Muslims.

And your list is pretty silly really, since they not only are almost all outside of Palestine, but mostly are the responses and outrage at what the Zionists were doing to the Palestinians. Riots against Zionism were warranted after the murder and abuse of unarmed Palestinians by well armed Zionists.

Jews are the real Palestinians. Romans called them Philistines as an insult when Rome conquered Israel. Are you one of those that believes that the Soviet Union provoked Germany in WW2 and that the US was the real aggressor against Japan? Come on man.

Ridiculous lies.
Jews did not invade the Land of Canaan until around 1000 BC.
The Philistines were originally of Greek origin, but rapidly became Arab in culture and race.
There is no connection between Philistines and Jews.
The Philistines are in the Old Testament Bible, as the ones fighting the Jews.
Remember the story of Samson and Deliah? Delilah as a Philistine, and Samson was Jewish.

And you have it totally wrong.
It was the Assyrians and Babylonians who defeated the Jews around 700 BC.
What the Romans did was to being the Jews back into power because they needed a minority to be puppets. But when the Jews rebelled against high taxes around 160 AD, the Romans kicked them out.

You also seem to know nothing of WWII.
The Germans and Soviets were allies at the start of WWII, with then dividing up Poland between them, with the Ribbentrop/Molotov Treaty.
But yes, the US sort of started WWII by cutting off Japan from steel, oil, and rubber from places like Indonesia, Malaya, the Philippines, etc.

 

[fncceo]

But yes, the US sort of started WWII by cutting off Japan from steel, oil, and rubber from places like Indonesia, Malaya

How, precisely, did the US do that? The US had not possessions, territories, or forces in Indonesia or Malaya.

 

[Shusha]

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The tunnels cost nothing and instead are a means of income from smuggling.
Nor do the tunnels have anything to do with Hamas.

Are you for real?

Last I checked tunnels cost upwards of $90 million dollars. Did you want to calculate that in terms of homes, hospitals or schools?

 

[Rigby5]

It is obvious that Muslims NEVER harmed Jews,

Only an idiot would ever believe anything as stupid as the false claim that there was every any historic antagonism between Jews and Muslims.
Jews always prefer Muslim places to live, and there are over 30,000 Jews living in Tehran right now.

The conflict in Palestine never had anything to do with religion.
It has to do with European Zionists murdering and stealing land.

 

[Rigby5]

But yes, the US sort of started WWII by cutting off Japan from steel, oil, and rubber from places like Indonesia, Malaya

How, precisely, did the US do that? The US had not possessions, territories, or forces in Indonesia or Malaya.

The US used it allies, which owned most of the Pacific resources as colonial possessions.
{...
In June 1940, Henry L. Stimson, who had been secretary of war under Taft and secretary of state under Hoover, became secretary of war again. Stimson was a lion of the Anglophile, northeastern upper crust and no friend of the Japanese. In support of the so-called Open Door Policy for China, Stimson favored the use of economic sanctions to obstruct Japan’s advance in Asia. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau and Interior Secretary Harold Ickes vigorously endorsed this policy. Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.
...}

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor | Robert Higgs

 

[Rigby5]

\
The tunnels cost nothing and instead are a means of income from smuggling.
Nor do the tunnels have anything to do with Hamas.

Are you for real?

Last I checked tunnels cost upwards of $90 million dollars. Did you want to calculate that in terms of homes, hospitals or schools?

That is an obvious lie.
Tunnels are entirely by manpower and use no machines at all.
And considering Israel has blockaded Gaza into 60% unemployment, tunnels do not cost a cent.

And you also lie when you imply that Hamas has anything to do with tunnels.
The reality is that private enterprise builds the tunnels for the profits from smuggled luxury items the Israelis won't allow to be imported.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.

Here's a little list to get you started...

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia

Total and complete lies.
It is easy to prove, because if there was any sort of danger from Arabs, then all those 5 million European Jews would not have emigrated to Palestine.
They were offered free land in dozens of alternatives, ranging from Spain to Madagascar, but they preferred Palestine because they felt safer in an Arab Muslim area with the well known ties between Jews and Muslims.

And your list is pretty silly really, since they not only are almost all outside of Palestine, but mostly are the responses and outrage at what the Zionists were doing to the Palestinians. Riots against Zionism were warranted after the murder and abuse of unarmed Palestinians by well armed Zionists.

Jews are the real Palestinians. Romans called them Philistines as an insult when Rome conquered Israel. Are you one of those that believes that the Soviet Union provoked Germany in WW2 and that the US was the real aggressor against Japan? Come on man.

Ridiculous lies.
Jews did not invade the Land of Canaan until around 1000 BC.
The Philistines were originally of Greek origin, but rapidly became Arab in culture and race.
There is no connection between Philistines and Jews.
The Philistines are in the Old Testament Bible, as the ones fighting the Jews.
Remember the story of Samson and Deliah? Delilah as a Philistine, and Samson was Jewish.

And you have it totally wrong.
It was the Assyrians and Babylonians who defeated the Jews around 700 BC.
What the Romans did was to being the Jews back into power because they needed a minority to be puppets. But when the Jews rebelled against high taxes around 160 AD, the Romans kicked them out.

You also seem to know nothing of WWII.
The Germans and Soviets were allies at the start of WWII, with then dividing up Poland between them, with the Ribbentrop/Molotov Treaty.
But yes, the US sort of started WWII by cutting off Japan from steel, oil, and rubber from places like Indonesia, Malaya, the Philippines, etc.

I reiterate. The Romans called the ancient Hebrews,
Philistines as an insult. Learn history. SU and Germany may have had an understanding but they were far from allies. So sanctions justified the bombing of Pearl Harbor? Thank you for proving my point that you live in an alternate universe.

 

[toomuchtime_]

all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

Or the settlement of Jordan...is that why every time they mention Ottoman deeds they refuse to present knowing how much land was stolen from Jews in those records?

Maybe that's why You don't have any problem with Arabs demanding domination over the whole region while Jews are forced into a tiny reservation, less than 1% of the territory in the entire middle east.

That is just a lie.
Jews always were protected and prospered under Islam.
That is why Jews take high paying jobs from Islamic leaders, like to be Viziers in the Iberian Peninsula.
All these Muslim nations you showed a map of never, ever harmed any Jew or confiscated any property. The Jews voluntarily sneaked out of these countries and illegally headed for Israel where they were promised free homes stolen from the native Palestinians.
Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.
Jews left the Mideast around 160 AD, and there has never been any sort of significant Mideast presence until after 1930 or so.
In 1920, the Jewish population of what became Israel later, was less than 5% Jewish.
There was very little Jewish Population in the Mideast for nearly two centuries.
The current Jewish population of Israel is almost entirely European.
And once again, it is important to remind everyone that you are a liar.

Bullshit. Muslims have been massacring Jews throughout the ME and North Africa for over 1,000 years. Whoever told you the nonsense you are posting lied to you.

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia

As for some of your other misconceptions, when Israel declared statehood, there were about 600,000 Jews in Israel, mostly from Europe, but then 800,000 Jews from Arab and other Muslim nations quickly moved there so by the time the War of Independence was over, ME Jews outnumbered European Jews.

No one was promised free Arab homes. The Jewish Agency, which was largely responsible for the return of the Jews to Israel, purchased large parcels of land from wealthy Arab land owning families for Jews to settle in. The land was being farmed by tenant farmers, so the Jewish Agency, seeking to live in peace with the Arabs, paid each Arab family that was displaced an amount of money sufficient to purchase land of their own even though the law at the time didn't require it. Far from losing anything, the Arab land owning families were paid more than their land was worth, the tenant farmers who were displaced now had money to buy land of their own, so the Arabs actually benefited from the return of the Jews to Israel. You have been very badly misinformed.

 

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all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

The term Palestinian referred to anyone who lived in the Mandate area, including non Arabs until Israel became a state, and the land was under Ottoman Turkish jurisdiction for five hundred years before WWI, so the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians never owned or occupied all the land. Gaza is densely populated but Judea and Samaria, what you call the West Bank, is not. The Arabs have all of Gaza and 43% of Judea and Samaria, and while conditions are difficult for many of the people, these conditions are entirely the result of their leaderships which have consistently refused to live in peace with the Jews. The status quo will not change in the foreseeable future because there is not political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel.

Wrong.
The Ottoman Empire owned the entire country known as Palestine, but each and every parcel of land was also owned privately and there were deeds and bills of sale to prove it.

You are also wrong that where the Arabs are forced to concentrate in the West Bank is not also somewhat crowded.
You also fail to admit that these Palestinians at one times owned and occupied all of Israel and Palestine, and now have been illegally forced onto less than 20% of their legal land.

It is also wrong to blame the Palestinians at all, in any way.
The Jews were the ones who always broke the peace.
It started way back in the 1920s, when armed Jews murdered unarmed Arabs.
The whole 1948 war started because Zionist gangs started massacring Arab villages, like Dier Yassin.
It so happened that Albert Einstein witnessed this massacre, and wrote about it. Look it up,.

The lack of peace has always been the fault of the Zionists because they not only never gave back any stolen land as they promised, but they constantly illegally confiscate more for new illegal Jewish settlements. There is absolutely no doubt who is totally at fault. And it is entirely and completely Israel. It is clearly they want genocide and all of the land in Palestine.

You are very badly misinformed. In any country, the majority of the land is state land, not owned by any private party. This was true when during the period of Ottoman occupation of the ME. Under Ottoman law, if a village used adjacent land for farming or grazing or some other important purpose, it was given a kind of deed to the land that was valid as long as the land was in continual use, but if the village stopped using it for a time, it reverted to state land. Very few of the Arabs were able t o produce the deeds they claimed they had, and when Israeli authorities asked the Turkish government for access to its archives, they were denied access, but if you have followed the news about the many land disputes in Israel you have seen that Israel's High Court of Justice has found in favor or the Arab claimants at least as often as the Jewish claimants.

All the early violence came from the Arabs, who felt the same intolerance of Jews that you are expressing, but initially the British protected the Jews, but after 1930 the British decided that their interests lay in good relations with the Arabs, not with the Jews, so the Jews armed themselves and began punishing Arab militants who attacked Jewish farms and villages. The simple fact is that once the British stopped protecting Jews from Arab attacks, the Arab militants were simply no match for the Jewish militants, Irgun, and neither were the British, for that matter. Here is a list of attacks during the Mandatory period, and you will notice all the early attacks were by Arabs against Jews, but once the British withdrew their protection, and the Irgun took their place, Arab militants and many of the Arab towns that hosted them were harshly punished for their attacks on Jews.

List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia