So lets have a real discussion: What if we seriously slashed handouts?

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    This thread is for a real discussion only.

    What if we seriously cut handouts? Im not saying Social Security, Medicaid, etc. People pay into that. Thats another topic.

    I mean Section 8 housing, welfare, food stamps, etc.

    Well...if we seriously slashed all that stuff, we'd have a few results:

    - More people would either be looking for a job, or stealing.
    - More shitty applicants to the same number of job openings.

    Now, Im not saying that would be a bad thing. But how do we deal with it? A lot of lazy or simply unable bodies are going to be without that handout that housed, fed, and paid some bills. They'll need some revenue to replace that. Some wont work. They'll simply steal. Will we need more cops and bigger jails? Maybe.

    Demand for low wage jobs will jump, as it is true, cutting that shit will indeed force some into looking for work.

    Is it just a simple fact that we overpopulated our country, and dont have enough resources and jobs to go around? Or...is it a fact that we have enough resources, but they are simply pooled together at the top, with the bottom not having any real chance to earn it?

    I dont know which is true, or maybe both have some truth.

    We do need to get everyone to calm down the discussion, lay off the rhetoric, and talk seriously about this stuff though.
     
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    Now these people are living on the streets or costing twice as much to house in prison. Now what?
     
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    Slashing welfare is a band-aid on a bleeding wound. It doesn't really solve the fundamental problem our welfare system has, which is that we reward failure and because of it, have created a dependent class.
     
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    It could work in theory... but there are some serious problems. I know I'll probably get shit for talking about "the childreeeeeen!" But there are people born into situations where their parents are drug addicts, or gang members, or who knows what and they only have the slimmest of chances of escaping the cycle. Cutting these "handouts" means that it's taking their slim chance and making it even slimmer.

    I think the only answer will be to get creative, but I have no idea how and I don't think anyone else does either.
     
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    Hahaha! I'm going to go ahead and rep that.
     
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    Make the ones that can work, work on infastructure projects.
     
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    I'll tell you exactly what happens when you slash the public safety net. The reason it is necessary is because a capitalist society will always have a majority that is under the other classes. If you can't provide some sort of fail-safe for them to stay in a reasonable state of living, all that talk of a civilized society goes down the drain.

    Not only that, the less educated a populace is, the less productive they are.
     
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    Not sure. I know some will say "We'll do whatever we did before we had all these handouts." And in theory, thats a good point. But..the world has changed. So have people. People are fucking crazier than they used to be. I partially blame prescription meds. We were never meant to have these blends of chemicals morphing in our blood stream with unknown side effects.

    Anyway....I've always argued that the handouts are meant to simply keep the lower class under some sort of civil control. Just GIVE them enough to stay fed, housed and mostly sustained to the point they aren't excessively violent (i.e. raiding the suburbs to loot and steal). Take that away...and we will have masses of hungry, violent, uneducated and undisciplined people without direction. Thats true...because if they were educated and disciplined, they probably wouldn't have ended up on handouts.
     

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