So let me get this pipeline shit straight

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They do have Rights, and the ability to better negotiate.

Personally, I'd rather live near a pipe line, than suffer the effects of exploratory fragging. Where are States Rights there? Is there even uniformity in the chemicals used?

Isn't it mostly high pressure water used for fracking? My understanding is that they fear the possible oil that may leak out with the water as it drains. I have seen stories that show there has been no proof of any such contamination thus far. Admittedly I dunno much on this subject though.

No.

While it could technically be done using just water, that’s costly and inefficient; hyrdrofracking works much better—and is kinder to drilling companies’ bottom lines—when chemicals such as diesel fuel, methanol, hydrochloric acid, and formaldehyde are added to the mix. Since the whole purpose of hydrofracking is to force open channels in rock to facilitate the upward movement of liquids and gases, it should be no surprise that despite drillers’ best efforts, hydrofracking chemicals get out into the environment.

NYC Study Warns of Dangers of Hydrofracking | HeatingOil.com

Thanks for the info. Based on that I say if its relatively safe with water then allow it but restrict the use of any other chemicals that aren't natural to the environment.

 

[Mustang]

The fact that you don't understand that 1000 barrels is not a lot when compared to the billions that flow without incident speaks volumes about your stupidity.

You have a larger chance of being in a car accident than a spill occurring that has any major impact. Should we all give up our cars and start walking?

Second thought don't answer.

A couple of points.

First a question. Are you misinformed? Or are you simply engaging in a disinformation campaign? After all, you're the one who said that this was (among other things) little more than Obama trying to save a few sand dunes. I can assure you that the people in Nebraska take their cherished way of life seriously, and they have no intention of rolling over and being forced to accept an oil pipeline running over their farm land and the aquifer that provides irrigation to their corn crops when there are legitimate safety concerns and the pipeline can be rerouted. And you can't seriously expect Nebraskans to cave in just because Texas oilmen are already counting the money they'll make from that oil.

At any rate, Obama has nothing to gain from Nebraskans by taking their concerns seriously since they're not going to vote for him anyway.

Totally true. Republicans will cheer as their leaders fuck them to death.

Their first words after getting slapped in the face with a shit pie, "Please sir, can I have some more?"

The irony is delicious.

Republicans in DC, purveyors and champions of states' rights, are trying to force the pipeline on Nebraska Republicans who don't want it, and Obama, the Democrat president who Republicans deride as being a power-hungry statist, comes to the rescue of Nebraska Republicans even though he'll never get any of their electoral college votes.

 

[Intense]

The Nebraska legislature, as well as the Republican governor, don't want the pipeline to be built the way it is planned, and have asked Obama to block the pipeline.

What happened to "state's rights"?

They do have Rights, and the ability to better negotiate.

Personally, I'd rather live near a pipe line, than suffer the effects of exploratory fragging. Where are States Rights there? Is there even uniformity in the chemicals used?

Isn't it mostly high pressure water used for fracking? My understanding is that they fear the possible oil that may leak out with the water as it drains. I have seen stories that show there has been no proof of any such contamination thus far. Admittedly I dunno much on this subject though.

Depends on circumstance. Chemicals are used. Fed's do run cover for the industry. It is hush hush. Some methods are more environmentally friendly, some do serious damage.
Then there are the side effects of the battle between where we want the gas to go V.S. where the gas wants to go.

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How It Works

 

[The T]

Isn't it mostly high pressure water used for fracking? My understanding is that they fear the possible oil that may leak out with the water as it drains. I have seen stories that show there has been no proof of any such contamination thus far. Admittedly I dunno much on this subject though.

No.

While it could technically be done using just water, that’s costly and inefficient; hyrdrofracking works much better—and is kinder to drilling companies’ bottom lines—when chemicals such as diesel fuel, methanol, hydrochloric acid, and formaldehyde are added to the mix. Since the whole purpose of hydrofracking is to force open channels in rock to facilitate the upward movement of liquids and gases, it should be no surprise that despite drillers’ best efforts, hydrofracking chemicals get out into the environment.

NYC Study Warns of Dangers of Hydrofracking | HeatingOil.com

Thanks for the info. Based on that I say if its relatively safe with water then allow it but restrict the use of any other chemicals that aren't natural to the environment.

And there are ways of controlling those without nixxing an entire project.

 

[Full-Auto]

The fact that you don't understand that 1000 barrels is not a lot when compared to the billions that flow without incident speaks volumes about your stupidity.

You have a larger chance of being in a car accident than a spill occurring that has any major impact. Should we all give up our cars and start walking?

Second thought don't answer.

A couple of points.

First a question. Are you misinformed? Or are you simply engaging in a disinformation campaign? After all, you're the one who said that this was (among other things) little more than Obama trying to save a few sand dunes. I can assure you that the people in Nebraska take their cherished way of life seriously, and they have no intention of rolling over and being forced to accept an oil pipeline running over their farm land and the aquifer that provides irrigation to their corn crops when there are legitimate safety concerns and the pipeline can be rerouted. And you can't seriously expect Nebraskans to cave in just because Texas oilmen are already counting the money they'll make from that oil.

At any rate, Obama has nothing to gain from Nebraskans by taking their concerns seriously since they're not going to vote for him anyway.

Totally true. Republicans will cheer as their leaders fuck them to death.

Their first words after getting slapped in the face with a shit pie, "Please sir, can I have some more?"

Weak, but lets stay with that theme.

Lets try reality instead.........

 

[hortysir]

The fact that you don't understand that 1000 barrels is not a lot when compared to the billions that flow without incident speaks volumes about your stupidity.

You have a larger chance of being in a car accident than a spill occurring that has any major impact. Should we all give up our cars and start walking?

Second thought don't answer.

A couple of points.

First a question. Are you misinformed? Or are you simply engaging in a disinformation campaign? After all, you're the one who said that this was (among other things) little more than Obama trying to save a few sand dunes. I can assure you that the people in Nebraska take their cherished way of life seriously, and they have no intention of rolling over and being forced to accept an oil pipeline running over their farm land and the aquifer that provides irrigation to their corn crops when there are legitimate safety concerns and the pipeline can be rerouted. And you can't seriously expect Nebraskans to cave in just because Texas oilmen are already counting the money they'll make from that oil.

At any rate, Obama has nothing to gain from Nebraskans by taking their concerns seriously since they're not going to vote for him anyway.

Totally true. Republicans will cheer as their leaders fuck them to death.

Their first words after getting slapped in the face with a shit pie, "Please sir, can I have some more?"

And they never step out of the way

 

[Wry Catcher]

Obama says no pipeline because.....

1. He wants to get oil from unstable nations
2. He wants to protect a few thousand lizards who apparently wouldn't understand how to crawl under or over a fucking pipe.
3. He likes gasoline prices at 3 dollars compared to 1.83 when he took office.
4. Apparently some deer are incapable of living on one side of the pipe over the other.
5. We haven't lost enough to China yet.
6. He doesn't want the states involved to make the extra revenue.
7. 20k + jobs is just a laughing stock
8. Wants to save a few sand dunes in Nebraska.
9. Says the gop gave him too short a deadline despite this being in the works and studied for years.
10. God I really despise Obama.

Ps. We have 10's of thousands of miles of pipelines currently in use in this country without major incident. There really is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ineptness.

http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/united_states_pipelines_map.jpg

I despise you. I'm sure Presided Obama is as upset over your opinion of him as you are of my opinion of you. That said, I don't despise you, I simply believe you're a poorly equipped partisan hack

The pipeline was used by the Republican 'leadership' as simply one more tool in their never ending effort to regain the White House in 2012. Boehner's faux outrage was too funny; Cantor seeking to upstage Boehner is predictive of how much disarray exists in the House.

 

[The T]

They do have Rights, and the ability to better negotiate.

Personally, I'd rather live near a pipe line, than suffer the effects of exploratory fragging. Where are States Rights there? Is there even uniformity in the chemicals used?

Isn't it mostly high pressure water used for fracking? My understanding is that they fear the possible oil that may leak out with the water as it drains. I have seen stories that show there has been no proof of any such contamination thus far. Admittedly I dunno much on this subject though.

Depends on circumstance. Chemicals are used. Fed's do run cover for the industry. It is hush hush. Some methods are more environmentally friendly, some do serious damage.
Then there are the side effects of the battle between where we want the gas to go V.S. where the gas wants to go.

Con
--------------------------------------------------------------
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ4LQSonXA&feature=related"]Faucet Water Ignites! Natural Gas in Well Water! THANKS DICK! - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73mv-Wl5cgg&feature=related"]Chesapeake Energy hydraulic fracturing method - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DniNIvE69SE&feature=related"]How It Works - YouTube[/ame]
How It Works

Nature is awesome, isn't it? NO reason ways can't be found to overcome it...and YES a Conservative FOR science/industry...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is another Repub non-issue that they'll blow up until they get what they want - money for Big Oil. We all know that Big Oil is the ONLY beneficiary to this debacle.
We know that the US does not get the oil. It will go through our country and be sold on the world market.
We know that there are only about 4000 jobs to be had.
We know that the NUMBER ONE export of the US is GASOLINE and we know price of American oil is disconnected from supply and demand.
We know that the only thing this pipeline would do is increase OFF SHORE oil company profits.
And, finally we know that we pay BiLLIONS every year for pipeline spills.
Why would we want this pipeline when it does nothing to benefit us?

oops - forgot - what about Nebraska? I suppose the pubs are in favor of so-called "state's rights" except now.

Obama claims that this pipeline is not in our nations best interest.

Not quite true. Scientists (those educated elitists you pubs and bags hate so much) and others have weighed in and, because they say, ACROSS THE BOARD, that this is the worst idea to come along in a long time, it would be foolish for the US to allow it.

President Obama did what all president should do. He listened to and made his decision based on what the experts said.

Thank you Mr President.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Obama says no pipeline because.....

1. He wants to get oil from unstable nations
2. He wants to protect a few thousand lizards who apparently wouldn't understand how to crawl under or over a fucking pipe.
3. He likes gasoline prices at 3 dollars compared to 1.83 when he took office.
4. Apparently some deer are incapable of living on one side of the pipe over the other.
5. We haven't lost enough to China yet.
6. He doesn't want the states involved to make the extra revenue.
7. 20k + jobs is just a laughing stock
8. Wants to save a few sand dunes in Nebraska.
9. Says the gop gave him too short a deadline despite this being in the works and studied for years.
10. God I really despise Obama.

Ps. We have 10's of thousands of miles of pipelines currently in use in this country without major incident. There really is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ineptness.

http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/united_states_pipelines_map.jpg

I despise you. I'm sure Presided Obama is as upset over your opinion of him as you are of my opinion of you. That said, I don't despise you, I simply believe you're a poorly equipped partisan hack

The pipeline was used by the Republican 'leadership' as simply one more tool in their never ending effort to regain the White House in 2012. Boehner's faux outrage was too funny; Cantor seeking to upstage Boehner is predictive of how much disarray exists in the House.

Regardless of what you think of me or what the GOP's motives were this is a good deal for our nation. Based on your logic I should not support it simply because the unions do.

 

[The T]

Obama says no pipeline because.....

1. He wants to get oil from unstable nations
2. He wants to protect a few thousand lizards who apparently wouldn't understand how to crawl under or over a fucking pipe.
3. He likes gasoline prices at 3 dollars compared to 1.83 when he took office.
4. Apparently some deer are incapable of living on one side of the pipe over the other.
5. We haven't lost enough to China yet.
6. He doesn't want the states involved to make the extra revenue.
7. 20k + jobs is just a laughing stock
8. Wants to save a few sand dunes in Nebraska.
9. Says the gop gave him too short a deadline despite this being in the works and studied for years.
10. God I really despise Obama.

Ps. We have 10's of thousands of miles of pipelines currently in use in this country without major incident. There really is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ineptness.

http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/united_states_pipelines_map.jpg

I despise you. I'm sure Presided Obama is as upset over your opinion of him as you are of my opinion of you. That said, I don't despise you, I simply believe you're a poorly equipped partisan hack

The pipeline was used by the Republican 'leadership' as simply one more tool in their never ending effort to regain the White House in 2012. Boehner's faux outrage was too funny; Cantor seeking to upstage Boehner is predictive of how much disarray exists in the House.

Regardless of what you think of me or what the GOP's motives were this is a good deal for our nation. Based on your logic I should not support it simply because the unions do.

Even IF you're union? You can get one correct once in awhile.

 

[WillowTree]

Obama has basically no control over the price of gas. Bush didnt, Clinton didnt, Reagan didnt, My mother doesnt, Nor do you.

One might be able to affect a couple cents here or there but the world market controls said oil. All Oil goes to the world markets, Unless you want government to nationalize it and take over.

so then explain to us why the demoncraps hammered President Bush over the "pain at the pump" ya big fat hypocrite.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A couple of points.

First a question. Are you misinformed? Or are you simply engaging in a disinformation campaign? After all, you're the one who said that this was (among other things) little more than Obama trying to save a few sand dunes. I can assure you that the people in Nebraska take their cherished way of life seriously, and they have no intention of rolling over and being forced to accept an oil pipeline running over their farm land and the aquifer that provides irrigation to their corn crops when there are legitimate safety concerns and the pipeline can be rerouted. And you can't seriously expect Nebraskans to cave in just because Texas oilmen are already counting the money they'll make from that oil.

At any rate, Obama has nothing to gain from Nebraskans by taking their concerns seriously since they're not going to vote for him anyway.

Totally true. Republicans will cheer as their leaders fuck them to death.

Their first words after getting slapped in the face with a shit pie, "Please sir, can I have some more?"

And they never step out of the way

Thinking the same thing ... The GObP/Repubs are dead set against the creation of even ONE job. They have fought every jobs bill, they have lied about creating jobs, they're lying about the number of jobs that Keystone would bring and now the Orange Golf Pro says its his new pet project as long as it doesn't interfere with his 4 day a week golf habit.

Now, WHO would vote for these pigs to continue to feed at the public trough?

 

[WillowTree]

Obama says no pipeline because.....

1. He wants to get oil from unstable nations
2. He wants to protect a few thousand lizards who apparently wouldn't understand how to crawl under or over a fucking pipe.
3. He likes gasoline prices at 3 dollars compared to 1.83 when he took office.
4. Apparently some deer are incapable of living on one side of the pipe over the other.
5. We haven't lost enough to China yet.
6. He doesn't want the states involved to make the extra revenue.
7. 20k + jobs is just a laughing stock
8. Wants to save a few sand dunes in Nebraska.
9. Says the gop gave him too short a deadline despite this being in the works and studied for years.
10. God I really despise Obama.

Ps. We have 10's of thousands of miles of pipelines currently in use in this country without major incident. There really is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ineptness.

http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/united_states_pipelines_map.jpg

He knows his campaign is doomed with his record to date. He is doing as much damage as he can before he is escorted OUT of the Oval office.

Yep

 

[The T]

Obama has basically no control over the price of gas. Bush didnt, Clinton didnt, Reagan didnt, My mother doesnt, Nor do you.

One might be able to affect a couple cents here or there but the world market controls said oil. All Oil goes to the world markets, Unless you want government to nationalize it and take over.

so then explain to us why the demoncraps hammered President Bush over the "pain at the pump" ya big fat hypocrite.

Bush was one of them but to a lesser degree because he had an R next to his name.

 

[francoHFW]

You are incredibly brainwashed Fox/Rush/Pub dupes...

Chicago
President Obama announced Wednesday he is putting the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline expansion project on hold, saying a decision can’t be made by the February deadline imposed by Congress. While environmental groups cheered the news, the setback is temporary and the pipeline operator says it will resubmit plans to have the pipeline running in 2014.

The decision to deny the company its permit, issued through the US State Department, is considered a political risk by the president with Republican leaders saying that preventing the pipeline – proposed to be the largest of its kind in North American – is harmful to the national interest by limiting energy security and preventing job creation.

The Obama administration was first expected to rule on the permit, sought by operator TransCanada of Alberta, Canada, by late December. However, the administration sought a one-year extension, saying a more thorough environmental assessment was needed, including further exploration of alternate routes.

Republicans in Congress, in return for their support for an extension of the payroll tax holiday, forced the new Feb. 21 deadline, a date that Mr. Obama on Wednesday called “rushed and arbitrary.”

What the Keystone XL pipeline would mean for the US

His statement stressed the decision was not a ruling on the merits of the pipeline, but on the action of Congress, which he said, “prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people.”

“I’m disappointed that Republicans in Congress forced this decision, but it does not change my administration’s commitment to American-made energy that creates jobs and reduces our dependence on oil,” he said.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...on-hold-decries-rushed-and-arbitrary-deadline

 

[Full-Auto]

Totally true. Republicans will cheer as their leaders fuck them to death.

Their first words after getting slapped in the face with a shit pie, "Please sir, can I have some more?"

And they never step out of the way

Thinking the same thing ... The GObP/Repubs are dead set against the creation of even ONE job. They have fought every jobs bill, they have lied about creating jobs, they're lying about the number of jobs that Keystone would bring and now the Orange Golf Pro says its his new pet project as long as it doesn't interfere with his 4 day a week golf habit.

Now, WHO would vote for these pigs to continue to feed at the public trough?

That rant makes you the liar.

Just so we have the facts straight.

 

[WillowTree]

You are incredibly brainwashed Fox/Rush/Pub dupes...

Chicago
President Obama announced Wednesday he is putting the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline expansion project on hold, saying a decision can’t be made by the February deadline imposed by Congress. While environmental groups cheered the news, the setback is temporary and the pipeline operator says it will resubmit plans to have the pipeline running in 2014.

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Oil Pipelines Oil and Gas Storage and Transportation Pipeline Transportation Natural Gas Pipelines Diplomacy International Relations Political Policy The decision to deny the company its permit, issued through the US State Department, is considered a political risk by the president with Republican leaders saying that preventing the pipeline – proposed to be the largest of its kind in North American – is harmful to the national interest by limiting energy security and preventing job creation.

The Obama administration was first expected to rule on the permit, sought by operator TransCanada of Alberta, Canada, by late December. However, the administration sought a one-year extension, saying a more thorough environmental assessment was needed, including further exploration of alternate routes.

Republicans in Congress, in return for their support for an extension of the payroll tax holiday, forced the new Feb. 21 deadline, a date that Mr. Obama on Wednesday called “rushed and arbitrary.”

What the Keystone XL pipeline would mean for the US

His statement stressed the decision was not a ruling on the merits of the pipeline, but on the action of Congress, which he said, “prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people.”

“I’m disappointed that Republicans in Congress forced this decision, but it does not change my administration’s commitment to American-made energy that creates jobs and reduces our dependence on oil,” he said.

Obama puts Keystone pipeline on hold, decries 'rushed and arbitrary' deadline - CSMonitor.com

Yes, we got that shit. he's putting politics over the needs of the Countrty.

 

[HUGGY]

Obama says no pipeline because.....

1. He wants to get oil from unstable nations
2. He wants to protect a few thousand lizards who apparently wouldn't understand how to crawl under or over a fucking pipe.
3. He likes gasoline prices at 3 dollars compared to 1.83 when he took office.
4. Apparently some deer are incapable of living on one side of the pipe over the other.
5. We haven't lost enough to China yet.
6. He doesn't want the states involved to make the extra revenue.
7. 20k + jobs is just a laughing stock
8. Wants to save a few sand dunes in Nebraska.
9. Says the gop gave him too short a deadline despite this being in the works and studied for years.
10. God I really despise Obama.

Ps. We have 10's of thousands of miles of pipelines currently in use in this country without major incident. There really is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ineptness.

http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/united_states_pipelines_map.jpg

Why are yoiu such a lying sack of liquid shit? OR are you just incredibly stupid? Both?

Here is THE TRUTH about the status of the pipeline.

In the middle class tax relief extension bill that the president signed the republicans attached a rider that forced Obama to make a decision on the pipeline within 60 days. Sounds reasonable right? Wrong! The republican Governor of Nebraska among others rejected the proposed route of the Keystone pipeline. That forced the stakeholders to design a new and more acceptable route design of the pipeline. This is nothing new. The problem is that there is NOTHING to agree or disagree to yet because the new route has not been proposed. The president and Clinton, who by the way is involved because international treaties are involved, have not said that there will be no pipeline. They just stated the obvious that the initial route design had been rejected, which was already comon knowledge, and they were waiting for the new design and the reports neccessary to approve or dissaprove of the proposal.

You may now return to your hissy fit... Don't let the truth slow you down.

 

[logical4u]

Obama has basically no control over the price of gas. Bush didnt, Clinton didnt, Reagan didnt, My mother doesnt, Nor do you.

One might be able to affect a couple cents here or there but the world market controls said oil. All Oil goes to the world markets, Unless you want government to nationalize it and take over.

If you increase the supply.....
If it is less expensive to transport.....
If you don't have to pay foreign security, tarriffs, etc....

But don't let reason stand in your way.