So....is THIS where we're really headed?

[Two Thumbs]

No, there won't be war.

There won't be any states to leave the union

Years from now another politician will get shot giving the left further excuse to make cuts at our freedoms. and in the between time, muslim terrorist will try to kill more Americans and the left will look away, b/c they are a victum minority.

If it did come down to war between Right and Left? The left has the city and pistols, the right has the land (food) and long rifles with scopes and years of using them.

Hunger would be the rights greatest ally.

It would be so one sided the French would start calling the left "Flop monkies".

 

[EriktheRed]

So in order for a serious discussion of states rights to take place...it has to include the threat of succession? That doesn't make any sense.

And if you haven't heard about the uproar over Arizona's rights to protect their borders, rather than it being the Federal Government's responsibility you haven't been paying enough attention.

Certain issues are handled at the state level. Gay marriage, marijuana, death pennalty are among them. Always have been

I don't see anyone threatening to leave the union over them. Last time I saw serious threats of secession were during the civil rights era......until Obama got elected

The United States of Canada and Jesusland -- A BuzzFlash Reader Contribution

How many Dem Governors endorsed that idea...even mildly?

 

[rightwinger]

Certain issues are handled at the state level. Gay marriage, marijuana, death pennalty are among them. Always have been

I don't see anyone threatening to leave the union over them. Last time I saw serious threats of secession were during the civil rights era......until Obama got elected

The United States of Canada and Jesusland -- A BuzzFlash Reader Contribution

How many Dem Governors endorsed that idea...even mildly?

Jesus would like it. Jesusland would be just like Saudi Arabia

 

[loosecannon]

No matta how bad this seems civil war would be far worse for all of us. Those who glamorize war are fools.

 

[Ernie S.]

There's very little chance of Civil war. Liberals have neither the balls or the resources. to wage war. Libs are concentrated in urban areas with no resources. No oil, no steel, not even control of water or electricity. Dumb as they are, they're not stupid.
Besides Liberals so admire the French, the Conservative army would be marching down Broadway by the second day.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

There's very little chance of Civil war. Liberals have neither the balls or the resources. to wage war. Libs are concentrated in urban areas with no resources. No oil, no steel, not even control of water or electricity. Dumb as they are, they're not stupid.
Besides Liberals so admire the French, the Conservative army would be marching down Broadway by the second day.

Last time I checked a Democrat won: WW1, WW2, started Vietnam, started Korea, started the Cold War, bombed Bosneo, etc. Democrats also serve in the military. To suggest that the Democrats are weak is just false.

edit: I'm related to a liberal who had the balls to serve in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

I'm also not a liberal, just keeping things in perspective.

 

[rikules]

No. The fight between the left and the right is not a regional conflict so I don't see how a civil war would work

"all lefties go to west, all righties go to the east, and all the centrists can either go to Canada or stay and watch."

Not really man. That's waaay to general.

We have:
The south, most of the mid west, most of the Rocky Mountains, and big clusters in PA and NY.

The lefties have:
The west coast, small parts of the Rockies, and most of New England.

I dunno if a 2nd Civil War is gonna break out or not, but I sure as fuck know WE'LL WIN if it does........

Of course you will <pats (R)IGHTeous 1 on the head and gives him a cookie while making sure that his padded helmet is on tight enough to prevent him from hurting himself even more> LOL

I bow to no man in my contempt for righteous1 but in this case I think she is right

the conservatives have all the radio stations
MOST of the military
they have OWNED the air force academy for the past 15 years
they have MOST of the police force
and ALL of the militia

they are heavily armed, well trained, extremely angry and consider it their patriotic duty to kill as many liberals as they can

even here on this message board there is no doubt that deranged conservatives like willow, righteous, palerider, lonestar would GLADLY kill lots of liberals and consider it a job well done.....

and the probably less prone to violence cons like cal girl and political chic will "understand" why so many liberals had to be slaughtered

 

[Ernie S.]

There's very little chance of Civil war. Liberals have neither the balls or the resources. to wage war. Libs are concentrated in urban areas with no resources. No oil, no steel, not even control of water or electricity. Dumb as they are, they're not stupid.
Besides Liberals so admire the French, the Conservative army would be marching down Broadway by the second day.

Last time I checked a Democrat won: WW1, WW2, started Vietnam, started Korea, started the Cold War, bombed Bosneo, etc. Democrats also serve in the military. To suggest that the Democrats are weak is just false.

edit: I'm related to a liberal who had the balls to serve in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

I'm also not a liberal, just keeping things in perspective.

And Republicans won the Civil War. So what? How will liberals wage war with no resources?

 

[JamesInFlorida]

There's very little chance of Civil war. Liberals have neither the balls or the resources. to wage war. Libs are concentrated in urban areas with no resources. No oil, no steel, not even control of water or electricity. Dumb as they are, they're not stupid.
Besides Liberals so admire the French, the Conservative army would be marching down Broadway by the second day.

Last time I checked a Democrat won: WW1, WW2, started Vietnam, started Korea, started the Cold War, bombed Bosneo, etc. Democrats also serve in the military. To suggest that the Democrats are weak is just false.

edit: I'm related to a liberal who had the balls to serve in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

I'm also not a liberal, just keeping things in perspective.

And Republicans won the Civil War. So what? How will liberals wage war with no resources?

How would they not? This doesn't make any sense. Liberals are not solely confined to cities, as you made in another post. Liberals and Conservatives are spread out throughout the nation. Now obviously cities tend to be more liberal, and rural areas tend to be more conservative. Your argument of resources not being in cities is laughable-where do you think all the manufacturing plants are? All business are located? Also rural areas are much more spread out, making it harder to band together.

Ultimately the argument is dumb because there wont be a civil war among people of different political ideals. And if there is-that's the ultimate irony if that occurs here in America-because our whole nation is founded upon political freedom, and having the right to believe in what you want.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What happened in Tucson the other day, times thousands, is what revolution looks like.

You want that? You people that throw the idea around, are you ready to endorse that?

 

[Big Fitz]

When you take away all peaceful ways to affect change and address grievances, only violent ones will be left.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Not really man. That's waaay to general.

We have:
The south, most of the mid west, most of the Rocky Mountains, and big clusters in PA and NY.

The lefties have:
The west coast, small parts of the Rockies, and most of New England.

I dunno if a 2nd Civil War is gonna break out or not, but I sure as fuck know WE'LL WIN if it does........

Of course you will <pats (R)IGHTeous 1 on the head and gives him a cookie while making sure that his padded helmet is on tight enough to prevent him from hurting himself even more> LOL

I bow to no man in my contempt for righteous1 but in this case I think she is right

the conservatives have all the radio stations
MOST of the military
they have OWNED the air force academy for the past 15 years
they have MOST of the police force
and ALL of the militia

they are heavily armed, well trained, extremely angry and consider it their patriotic duty to kill as many liberals as they can

even here on this message board there is no doubt that deranged conservatives like willow, righteous, palerider, lonestar would GLADLY kill lots of liberals and consider it a job well done.....

and the probably less prone to violence cons like cal girl and political chic will "understand" why so many liberals had to be slaughtered

It's nice to know what you really think of people that are not like you are capable of. You must be so proud of the moron sheriff who also made baseless accusations.

your tolerance is so touching.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

If there's anything that resembles a war in this country, it won't primarily be over politics. Politicians and their wild, out of control spending and sell America down the toilet actions will have caused it, but that won't be the primary reason violence breaks out in America. The primary reason will be because people are hungry, thirsty, broke and desperate.

And yes, I do believe we will see some level of it.

I think this scenario is inevitable, hence my yes vote.

I don't expect to see it in my life time though.

I do expect that in the next 5 years we'll see more events like Arizona because the dialogue has ratcheted up to that point, and I expect we will see another Ruby Ridge or Waco as the Feds react to it. We've already seen extremists groups busted by the Feds for planning attacks on officers and government officials in the Midwest. I fear a fresh round Of violence is starting.

 

[Political Junky]

The United States of Canada and Jesusland -- A BuzzFlash Reader Contribution

How many Dem Governors endorsed that idea...even mildly?

Jesus would like it. Jesusland would be just like Saudi Arabia

Damn right, it would.

 

[Ernie S.]

I do expect that in the next 5 years we'll see more events like Arizona because the dialogue has ratcheted up to that point, and I expect we will see another Ruby Ridge or Waco as the Feds react to it. We've already seen extremists groups busted by the Feds for planning attacks on officers and government officials in the Midwest. I fear a fresh round Of violence is starting.

You think rhetoric is bad now? Politicians have insulted and lied about their opponents since the beginning. The major difference is how the disagreements are dealt with..I prefer a return to a time where men settled their differences like Vice President Aaron Burr and former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton did back in July of 1804. Of course it would suck to be Hamilton.

 

[whitehall]

Really started in '09, has only gotten worse since. What if armed mini insurrections like this become a norm? Pandemic?

I know we're a nation founded on violent, bloody revolution, but that's supposed to be the LAST LAST resort......and if this current administration doesn't change it's dirty, underhanded, authoritarian ways to ramming its agenda thru.....it'll only worsen this trend and encourage further attacks on its party.......


Tucson rampage casts light on toxic political tone

WASHINGTON – Politicians of all stripes are bound to be haunted by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' warning, 10 months before she was shot, to cool the rhetoric.

It's been a year or more of raw politics, with anger spilling over on both sides and gun-related metaphors coming loosely from the lips of some candidates and activists. Giffords, a figurative target of the right, on Saturday became the actual target of a gunman who shot her through the head and killed at least five others. She was critically wounded.

The gunman's motive is not known.

But in Pima County, Ariz., Sheriff Clarence Dupnik suggested "all this vitriol" in recent political discourse might be connected to Saturday's shootings. "This may be free speech," he told reporters, "but it's not without consequences."

Whatever the motive, the toxic tone of the national debate is certain to draw greater scrutiny.

Tucson rampage casts light on toxic political tone - Yahoo! News

"It started in '09"? What are you like ten years old? Bill Ayers and his weatherscum were terrorizing Americans during the 60's and 70's with bombs and bank robberies and and kidnappings and murder. 54 people were murdered in L.A. during riots encouraged by the liberal media because a Black junkie was beaten by White police. It was a Civil War back then or you could call it a socialist revolution. Ayers isn't finished. He said he didn't do enough. His wife is alleged to have helped plan the Brinks robbery where two Police Officers and two Brinks guards were murdered. Obama hired a communist who once led an arson and looting rampage to be on his green jobs board. Are lefties such fools that they think Talk Radio and a maniac who gunned down innocent civilians equals civil war? Maybe it's emotional sissie hysteria or maybe it's wishful thinking or more likely it's more sinister and lefties see a chance to shut down the information sources they don't like.

 

[jeffrockit]

No, there will not be another civil war. The US government will put a stop, a hard and fast ending to anyone they find committing acts of violence and murder and hate.

The right will just keep on spewing their gun violence rhetoric. Obviously the message is to deny words matter. It isn't looking like ANY Republicans are going to tell the Palin, Bachmann or Angle, to stop the dangerous propaganda.

Come Eric Cantor, you can be the one to do it.

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) suggested that some rhetoric against the president, suggesting that he's a socialist or has pioneered the most left-wing presidency ever, has been over-the-top at times.

"I'll give you this: It's hyperbolic," Cantor said

There is absolutely zero evidence that politics played a hand in this psycho's murder spree. To infer that the right has any fault in this violent deed is completely baseless. It is interesting that liberals only point out rhetoric on the right and completely ignore any of the left's. One of any examples is the 2004 map with bullseyes that Democrats used to target Republican districts they wanted to win. Another is Obama's quote of "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun". Obama brings a gun to a knife fight - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
Try to be totally honest and we can eventually come together as a country....continue to view tragedies as politically driven and the country will stay divided.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

I do expect that in the next 5 years we'll see more events like Arizona because the dialogue has ratcheted up to that point, and I expect we will see another Ruby Ridge or Waco as the Feds react to it. We've already seen extremists groups busted by the Feds for planning attacks on officers and government officials in the Midwest. I fear a fresh round Of violence is starting.

You think rhetoric is bad now? Politicians have insulted and lied about their opponents since the beginning. The major difference is how the disagreements are dealt with..I prefer a return to a time where men settled their differences like Vice President Aaron Burr and former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton did back in July of 1804. Of course it would suck to be Hamilton.

First of all this is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen on these forums, and that says a lot.

Secondly they dueled due to a personal issue-not one on political views. Jefferson and Burr tied in the electoral college, so the vote went to the house-where Hamilton pretty much convinced enough people to vote for Jefferson over Burr-Burr got upset, and they dueled. People who lose in politics shouldn't resort to violence in our democracy. If you lose you walk out and try again in another 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on what you're running for).

 

[Two Thumbs]

I do expect that in the next 5 years we'll see more events like Arizona because the dialogue has ratcheted up to that point, and I expect we will see another Ruby Ridge or Waco as the Feds react to it. We've already seen extremists groups busted by the Feds for planning attacks on officers and government officials in the Midwest. I fear a fresh round Of violence is starting.

You think rhetoric is bad now? Politicians have insulted and lied about their opponents since the beginning. The major difference is how the disagreements are dealt with..I prefer a return to a time where men settled their differences like Vice President Aaron Burr and former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton did back in July of 1804. Of course it would suck to be Hamilton.

First of all this is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen on these forums, and that says a lot.

Secondly they dueled due to a personal issue-not one on political views. Jefferson and Burr tied in the electoral college, so the vote went to the house-where Hamilton pretty much convinced enough people to vote for Jefferson over Burr-Burr got upset, and they dueled. People who lose in politics shouldn't resort to violence in our democracy. If you lose you walk out and try again in another 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on what you're running for).

I partially disagree.

Back then you didn't insult a persons honor w/o being prepared to back it up with your life. Now I think that's over board (killing over getting offended). But think back to like the 50's. If you called someone and SOB you got punched in the mouth, and learned not to call people that. Today you can say anything you want to a person and if they touch you, they get arrested and sued.

A return to getting punched in the mouth for not minding your manners is not out of line.

 

[Vanquish]

As with most threads on USMB...both sides are wrong...both sides have done whatever it is that's being complained of...and both sides arent going to get any better.

Libs can say Repugs are worse.
Republicans can say libtards are worse.

None of you ever prove anything...despite all your little links and quotes and legal misstatements.

Issues should be the focus ...not blame. If you're typing a post that's discussing blame....you're part of the problem.