So is Obama OK with this...

China pushin' it's new-found economic weight around...
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Tiny Pacific Islets Sinking Giant Japanese Businesses in China
09/26/12 --- You'd need a microscope to find these islands on most maps of Asia. No one lives there, unless you count short-tailed albatrosses.
But boatload after boatload of activists cuts through choppy currents to reach them, turned away each time by Japan's wily coast guard. Most of the activists come from China, where the government claims the rocky protrusions as their own and wants Japan out. The unassuming islets, part of a huge constellation of others just like them, suddenly threaten to sink Japanese companies with business in China. Competing claims over what Japan calls the Senkakus and China the Diaoyudao have hatched waves of occasionally violent street protests across China plus boycotts against made-in-Japan products sold in the offended country. Taiwan makes yet another claim on the islands.

Japanese people fearing for their safety have cancelled trips to China, while normally eager Chinese consumers avoid cars, electronics and shops that are emblematic of the world's No. 3 economy. (China ranks No. 2, so take that.) Like foreign firms from Europe or the U.S., the big names from Japan have expanded into China to take advantage of its fabled potential market and low-cost manufacturing bases. China is now Japan's largest trade partner. The number of Japanese subsidiaries has grown eight times since the 1990s, and they sold 11.4 trillion yen ($147 billion) worth of goods to China in the 2011 fiscal year. Another 13.4 trillion yen worth of stuff is shipped to China from Japan, London-based Capital Economics says in a Sept. 24 report on fallout from the turf strife.

Compounding the dispute, China and Japan may never settle a series of problems that extend back to World War II. After Japan surrendered and left occupied China in 1945, it never adequately apologized and instead glorifies wartime acts, Beijing argues. It's astonished that Tokyo would now insist on controlling the disputed islets, plus claiming an undersea oilfield north of it. Japanese leaders accuse the Chinese government of bringing up these issues late in the game (Beijing said little until about 20 years ago) to stoke public nationalism while overlooking the renunciation of its World War II past with a 1947 peacetime constitution.

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This is why we can't cut our military. This is the first time since the fall of the USSR that we really do need it.

Interesting theory.

What side would the USA take on this issue?

Japan's China's or Tiawans?

They're ALL vieing for ownership and control of these islands, ya know.
 
This is why we can't cut our military. This is the first time since the fall of the USSR that we really do need it.

Interesting theory.

What side would the USA take on this issue?

Japan's China's or Tiawans?

They're ALL vieing for ownership and control of these islands, ya know.

Japan. To hell with China.
 
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We've spent most of the last few decades gleefully watching the Chinese gobble up our debt so that we can continue to spend like a 16-year old girl with Daddy's Gold Card.

So now the Chinese are able to exercise their global economic leverage at will, with any country they please, whenever they goddamn well feel like it.

Americans don't like that? Tough shit. Self-inflicted wound.

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A senior advisor to the Chinese government has called for an attack on the Japanese bond market to precipitate a funding crisis and bring the country to its knees, unless Tokyo reverses its decision to nationalise the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea.
Beijing hints at bond attack on Japan - Telegraph

What makes you think Obama would be OK with this Chinese suggestion when he's re-directed our entire foreign policy focus to containing China? Our focus was the Middle East for decades, but it's now the western Pacific and Indian Ocean.

Obama has positioned our military forces as trip wires to Chinese expansion along the trade routes from the source of their oil in Iran, threatened the Chinese if they don't contain North Korea (which they did), taken them to the WTO over trade issues, supported the Philippines in their tiff with the Chinese and taken steps to punish them for not "floating" their currency. Moreover, he has a bill to give tax breaks to companies which bring jobs back to this country (especially from China) and punishes those who outsource, but it's been languishing in the GOP House who won't even consider it.

For the first time since G.H.W. Bush was our first Ambassador to Communist China, we have a President who isn't kissing their ass in the name of corporate profits.
 
Granny says show `em the bill of sale if there's anything to the Chinese claim - no tickee, no islands...
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China Minister Tells UN Japan 'Stole' Disputed Islands
September 28, 2012 - China's foreign minister says Japan's recent purchase of disputed islands in the East China Sea is "illegal and invalid" and that the move does not affect Beijing's historical claim to the rocky archipelago.
In a speech late Thursday to the United Nations General Assembly, Yang Jiechi said the Japanese purchase "grossly violated" Chinese sovereignty. Yang said it cannot change the "historical fact that Japan stole" the islands from China. Japan purchased some of the islands from their private Japanese landowner earlier this month. Though Tokyo said it was meant to help manage the dispute, the move infuriated Beijing and prompted violent anti-Japan across China.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with Foreign Minister Yang on Thursday. In the meeting, she called for "cooler heads to prevail" and for the dispute to be solved peacefully. State Department officials say Clinton also stressed that stability in Asia is vital for the struggling world economy. But there were no immediate signs that either side would back down from their positions in the simmering dispute, which has brought Japan-China relations to their lowest point in years. In Yang's address to the U.N., he repeated Beijing's stance that the islands have been part of Chinese territory since ancient times. Yang said the islands were seized by Japan after it won the Sino-Japanese War in 1895.

On Wednesday, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda vowed that Tokyo will not compromise on its claim to the islands, which he called an "inherent part" of Japan's territory. Both sides have continued to hold high-level talks in hopes of resolving the dispute diplomatically, but officials have described the atmosphere as "tense" and "severe." There are concerns that the dispute over islands may hurt the strong economic relationship between China and Japan, Asia's two largest economies. The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan but Diaoyu in China, are surrounded by rich fishing grounds and potential oil reserves.

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If Japan and China get into it this will be the first real hot war since wwII. Regional to global scale...This is going to be very bad.

You could say the Korean war as China did back them or Vietnam.....But this would be much worse on a far larger scale.

Tens if not hundreds of millions of human beings could die.
 
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If Japan and China get into it this will be the first real hot war since wwII. Regional to global scale...This is going to be very bad.

You could say the Korean war as China did back them or Vietnam.....But this would be much worse on a far larger scale.

Tens if not hundreds of millions of human beings could die.


Japan is not stupid. They won't take on the Chinese in a hot war...and the Chinese won't press the issue that far. This whole "crisis" is for domestic consumption.
 
A senior advisor to the Chinese government has called for an attack on the Japanese bond market to precipitate a funding crisis and bring the country to its knees, unless Tokyo reverses its decision to nationalise the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea.
Beijing hints at bond attack on Japan - Telegraph
Obama mentions in the article: 1
The Obama administration must navigate a delicate course. A tough line against China risks putting the world’s two superpowers on a collision course: a soft line risks setting off alarm bells in Japan and pushing the country towards rearmament.
And you got "So Obama is ok with this" out of it.

*shrugs*

OK
 
As of Sep 28th 2012, the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times published full-page advertisement entitled “Diaoyu Islands ( Chinese name of the Senkaku Islands ) belong to China”.

This kind of scheming propagandas are the oldest trick in the book for the Chinese government. They are shrewdly creating fait accomplis like these before they get to the point. Now COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA (CPC or CCP) banned its publishers to print their old Chinese maps which lists Senkaku Island as Japanese territory.

THEY KNOW JAPAN’S SENKAKU ISLAND IS NOT CHINESE TERRITORY… ‘YET’.

People from the ‘third-party’ countries like the United States might think it’s only a matter between Japan and China. BUT IT’S NOT. It’s all about THE HEGEMONISM OF CHINESE GOVERNMENT. China has its own long-term military doctrine called “THE FIRST ISLAND CHAIN” concept which has been carefully planned and developed since 1982.

For the Chinese Government to accomplish this plan, the JAPAN’S SENKAKU ISLANDS are the very important and crucial first step to force the American Military and its all bases out of the Yellow Sea, South China Sea, East China Sea and the Sea of Japan inside an arc running from the Aleutians in the north to Borneo in the south by 2020, then the Western Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean by 2040.

THIS CHINESE HEGEMONISM IS NOT ONLY AGAINST JAPAN BUT ALSO AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AND THE HUMANITY ON THIS PLANET.
 
A senior advisor to the Chinese government has called for an attack on the Japanese bond market to precipitate a funding crisis and bring the country to its knees, unless Tokyo reverses its decision to nationalise the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea.
Beijing hints at bond attack on Japan - Telegraph

What does the President of the U.S. have to do with this situation?
 
If Japan and China get into it this will be the first real hot war since wwII. Regional to global scale...This is going to be very bad.

You could say the Korean war as China did back them or Vietnam.....But this would be much worse on a far larger scale.

Tens if not hundreds of millions of human beings could die.


Japan is not stupid. They won't take on the Chinese in a hot war...and the Chinese won't press the issue that far. This whole "crisis" is for domestic consumption.


It's actually not a issue only between JAPAN and CHINA. The reason why the Communist Party of China (CPC) is so desperate about the island is that they want it to to force the American Military and its all bases out of the Yellow Sea, South China Sea, East China Sea and the Sea of Japan inside an arc running from the Aleutians in the north to Borneo in the south by 2020, then the Western Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean by 2040.

It's a CPC's long-term military doctrine called “THE FIRST ISLAND CHAIN” concept which has been carefully planned and developed since 1982.
 

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