Small Pox

[koshergrl]

No, not really. I just love it when the wingnuts completely disagree with scientists on global warming and accuse them of being funded by liberal organizations.

But let the scientists come out with something that fits the wingnut agenda and all of the sudden the scientists are the smartest people on earth annd worthy of using to prove a point.

It just shows how fucking hypocritical the wingnuts are.

Let's see, you just fling out the term "wingnut" as if that adds weight to your false argument that some disagree with global warming.
And I call that a false argument because the argument isn't about whether or not the earth is warming, the argument is the cause of that warming and whether or not man is the cause. The science on the cause is not yet determined, but rather theorized.

Nope. I "fling out the term wingnut" because it fits, period.

And the fact that you claim that "the argument isn't about whether or not the earth is warming, the argument is the cause of that warming and whether or not man is the cause" is complete bullshit and shows that you have no clue as to what the fuck you're talking about.

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The only reason some are finally accepting that the earth is warming is because they're running out of any credible scientists that concur. So what do they do? Like you, they NOW claim that "I never said that". But eventually they'll come around on the CAUSE too.

Well it certainly fits you, anyway...

 

[Care4all]

small pox has been weaponized.

seems to me, it was a ''better safe than sorry'' scenario and not a waste.

 

[auditor0007]

Obama turned the US Presidency into the biggest money laundering scheme on the planet

It was no better under the GOP.

Yea, these things go on under all administrations. The bad thing is that it's the underlings who control the purse strings who are playing these games. It looks bad for the administration, but it's highly unlikely that the President has any real knowledge of what is going on, at least until it gets outed.

 

[Mr.Nick]

So its no longer a threat and we have a supply large enough to treat everyone in the country so ...

Scientists are questioning a $433 million government contract for a smallpox drug they say the country doesn't need, amid concerns over the way the project was secured for a firm tied to a Democratic donor.

The Los Angeles Times reported over the weekend that U.S. officials took unusual steps to award the contract to Siga Technologies. Democratic donor Ronald Perelman has the controlling share of the company.

The article cited emails showing the Obama administration replaced the lead negotiator on the project following complaints from Siga -- Siga was apparently concerned about the government's objections to how much money Siga would make off the deal.

Earlier, in December, the government also reportedly blocked other companies from bidding on the contract in a second round.

Read more: Questions Arise Over $433M Smallpox Drug Contract To Company Tied To Dem Donor | Fox News

Yet another example of Obama paying off his cronies.....

It's almost mafiaish.....

"I'll take care of you, and you and you - vote Obama and remember where that money came from."

Then the progressive fucks have the audacity to complain about lobbyists when the majority are working for Obama while they support him???

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[Mr.Nick]

Obama turned the US Presidency into the biggest money laundering scheme on the planet

It was no better under the GOP.

Yea, these things go on under all administrations. The bad thing is that it's the underlings who control the purse strings who are playing these games. It looks bad for the administration, but it's highly unlikely that the President has any real knowledge of what is going on, at least until it gets outed.

Yeah because our president is too dumb to appropriated congressional approved funds, or he is just a tyrant or incompetent.

 

[Lakhota]

Well, damn, it must be true if Fox News said it... unless...

U.S. government stockpiles new, safer smallpox vaccine - USATODAY.com

 

[Lakhota]

So its no longer a threat and we have a supply large enough to treat everyone in the country so ...

Scientists are questioning a $433 million government contract for a smallpox drug they say the country doesn't need, amid concerns over the way the project was secured for a firm tied to a Democratic donor.

The Los Angeles Times reported over the weekend that U.S. officials took unusual steps to award the contract to Siga Technologies. Democratic donor Ronald Perelman has the controlling share of the company.

The article cited emails showing the Obama administration replaced the lead negotiator on the project following complaints from Siga -- Siga was apparently concerned about the government's objections to how much money Siga would make off the deal.

Earlier, in December, the government also reportedly blocked other companies from bidding on the contract in a second round.

Read more: Questions Arise Over $433M Smallpox Drug Contract To Company Tied To Dem Donor | Fox News

You left this part off:

One epidemiologist described the plan as a "waste of time and a waste of money."

But Nicole Lurie, the Department of Health and Human Services official in charge of biodefense, told the Times the contract was granted on merit. And she cited a 2004 study showing a "material threat" that smallpox could be a biological weapon.

A Perelman representative also told the newspaper that his political donations merely represent "his right" to support candidates.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Well, damn, it must be true if Fox News said it... unless...

U.S. government stockpiles new, safer smallpox vaccine - USATODAY.com

You do realize small pox has been eradicated?

Well unless Obama wants to kill millions and claim he "found and found a cure" which every democrat would believe...

Sure kill a million people with small pox then pretend to be Jesus...


I suppose get your shots...

I can't wait until 2012.

 

[Lakhota]

No, the smallpox virus still lives...

U.S. government stockpiles new, safer smallpox vaccine - USATODAY.com

 

[Mr.Nick]

No, the smallpox virus still lives...

U.S. government stockpiles new, safer smallpox vaccine - USATODAY.com

O of course it still lives - in government labs and remote exotic areas and in most people...However the disease is not a threat to 99.5% of the population because they already have been boosted...

 

[Lakhota]

Why We Still Need Smallpox

By KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, Published: April 25, 2011

In other words, we’ve beaten smallpox once, but we must be ready and prepared to beat it again, if necessary.

Today, most of the world’s population has no immunity to the disease. Once it was eradicated, we stopped routine civilian vaccination for smallpox. In fact, people under the age of 30 have little or no immunity to smallpox. Should an outbreak occur, we do have effective vaccines that could be deployed to protect most Americans. But global supplies are limited and some people cannot safely use the current vaccine for medical reasons.

Fortunately, in the three decades since eradication, science has come a long way. The vaccine used until the 1970s was little different from the crude vaccine developed by Edward Jenner more than 200 years ago. Today, new technologies and advances in vaccine development exist that could allow us to produce a vaccine without the rare but dangerous side effects of the original. Globally, work is under way to develop and test these vaccines. We should not stop now.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/opinion/26iht-edsebelius26.html?_r=1

 

[Mr.Nick]

Why We Still Need Smallpox

By KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, Published: April 25, 2011

In other words, we’ve beaten smallpox once, but we must be ready and prepared to beat it again, if necessary.

Today, most of the world’s population has no immunity to the disease. Once it was eradicated, we stopped routine civilian vaccination for smallpox. In fact, people under the age of 30 have little or no immunity to smallpox. Should an outbreak occur, we do have effective vaccines that could be deployed to protect most Americans. But global supplies are limited and some people cannot safely use the current vaccine for medical reasons.

Fortunately, in the three decades since eradication, science has come a long way. The vaccine used until the 1970s was little different from the crude vaccine developed by Edward Jenner more than 200 years ago. Today, new technologies and advances in vaccine development exist that could allow us to produce a vaccine without the rare but dangerous side effects of the original. Globally, work is under way to develop and test these vaccines. We should not stop now.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/opinion/26iht-edsebelius26.html?_r=1

So are you asserting that small pox is in anyway shape or form a danger to all societies???

It's not even a fucking danger where its prone....

I cant even believe you're making shit up just to justify Obama's bullshit...

 

[California Girl]

Another example of corporate greed corrupting the government. We're supposed to have government by the people, not people buying the government.

We the people have the power to stop it. This is and should continue to be one of the driving messages of the 99%...get the money out.

So where were you when the TEA Parties were fighting to throw corrupt politicians out of office. Oh, that's right, y'all were busy calling them 'old white racists'.

The sudden epiphany of the left is funny as hell. Faux outrage at its finest.

 

[candycorn]

small pox has been weaponized.

seems to me, it was a ''better safe than sorry'' scenario and not a waste.

Exactly right.

Those commenting on this thread are largely clueless. I would submit that many haven't heard of a ring vaccination. What that is, briefly, is that you take aggressive vaccinations against all who are exposed, not all who are showing signs.

If smallpox had an outbreak in LA or Manhattan, the ring vaccinations alone would make the $443M look like lunch money. What also isn't understood by many (if not most) is that the carrier of smallpox is the ultimate suicide bomber since the symptoms are not apparent for something like 10 days. You may be exposed in the next few seconds and not get sick for nearly two weeks. When you self-present to a hospital, you get asked if you've been here, or there, or have been overseas lately. You will know the latter, but will have to remember the former so the epidemiologists can try to track down what other self-presenters were at the mall, or the park, or the Starbucks on Elm Street.

There are probably better uses for the $443 given that this disease has been cornered. But as we saw in Tokyo, terrorists are capable of quite sophisticated attacks.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yet another example of Obama paying off his cronies.....

It's almost mafiaish.....

"I'll take care of you, and you and you - vote Obama and remember where that money came from."

Then the progressive fucks have the audacity to complain about lobbyists when the majority are working for Obama while they support him???

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I wonder who got the contract when I got the vaccine in 2004?

 

[geauxtohell]

You do realize small pox has been eradicated?

Except for the stuff that is kept around for biological warfare...........

Well unless Obama wants to kill millions and claim he "found and found a cure" which every democrat would believe...

Sure kill a million people with small pox then pretend to be Jesus...

Do you often have paranoid delusions?

 

[geauxtohell]

Why We Still Need Smallpox

By KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, Published: April 25, 2011

In other words, we’ve beaten smallpox once, but we must be ready and prepared to beat it again, if necessary.

Today, most of the world’s population has no immunity to the disease. Once it was eradicated, we stopped routine civilian vaccination for smallpox. In fact, people under the age of 30 have little or no immunity to smallpox. Should an outbreak occur, we do have effective vaccines that could be deployed to protect most Americans. But global supplies are limited and some people cannot safely use the current vaccine for medical reasons.

Fortunately, in the three decades since eradication, science has come a long way. The vaccine used until the 1970s was little different from the crude vaccine developed by Edward Jenner more than 200 years ago. Today, new technologies and advances in vaccine development exist that could allow us to produce a vaccine without the rare but dangerous side effects of the original. Globally, work is under way to develop and test these vaccines. We should not stop now.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/opinion/26iht-edsebelius26.html?_r=1

So are you asserting that small pox is in anyway shape or form a danger to all societies???

It's not even a fucking danger where its prone....

I cant even believe you're making shit up just to justify Obama's bullshit...

She's asserting that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you claim that "most people are immune".

Before you go and get all incredulous on us, perhaps you should get your facts straight.

 

[geauxtohell]

small pox has been weaponized.

seems to me, it was a ''better safe than sorry'' scenario and not a waste.

Exactly right.

Those commenting on this thread are largely clueless. I would submit that many haven't heard of a ring vaccination. What that is, briefly, is that you take aggressive vaccinations against all who are exposed, not all who are showing signs.

If smallpox had an outbreak in LA or Manhattan, the ring vaccinations alone would make the $443M look like lunch money. What also isn't understood by many (if not most) is that the carrier of smallpox is the ultimate suicide bomber since the symptoms are not apparent for something like 10 days. You may be exposed in the next few seconds and not get sick for nearly two weeks. When you self-present to a hospital, you get asked if you've been here, or there, or have been overseas lately. You will know the latter, but will have to remember the former so the epidemiologists can try to track down what other self-presenters were at the mall, or the park, or the Starbucks on Elm Street.

There are probably better uses for the $443 given that this disease has been cornered. But as we saw in Tokyo, terrorists are capable of quite sophisticated attacks.

No. We should wait for the worst case scenario to unfold and THEN take action.

Geez. What is the matter with you?

 

[freedombecki]

So its no longer a threat and we have a supply large enough to treat everyone in the country so ...

Scientists are questioning a $433 million government contract for a smallpox drug they say the country doesn't need, amid concerns over the way the project was secured for a firm tied to a Democratic donor.

The Los Angeles Times reported over the weekend that U.S. officials took unusual steps to award the contract to Siga Technologies. Democratic donor Ronald Perelman has the controlling share of the company.

The article cited emails showing the Obama administration replaced the lead negotiator on the project following complaints from Siga -- Siga was apparently concerned about the government's objections to how much money Siga would make off the deal.

Earlier, in December, the government also reportedly blocked other companies from bidding on the contract in a second round.

Read more: Questions Arise Over $433M Smallpox Drug Contract To Company Tied To Dem Donor | Fox News

Ever heard of bioterrorism? Remember the days of "sharing" biological information with terrorist states like Iraq?

Do you know what people complaining of vaccinations have forgotten? All of us need to know Smallpox was responsible for 25% of the world's blindness before the day of Louis Pasteur. That comes from the people who didn't succumb. The death toll of small pox was around 30%. So in my mind, if everyone survived the disease, 55% of this world would have no vision following "recuperation" Before vaccinations, in the 20th century alone, 300-500 million people are thought to have died from Smallpox.

Here's a little scenario of a child suffering from the disease:

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credits and explanation from the University of Iowa

Just sayin'.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Wow CNN is covering this now:

E-mails questioned huge contract for firm with ties to Obama administration

But internal e-mails obtained exclusively by CNN show a contracting officer assigned to manage price negotiations between HHS and Siga was alarmed at the cost. Siga's return on investment, one e-mail said, was "an overwhelming 180 per cent."

The e-mail went on to say that margin "must be cut in half at a minimum" and later added: "I know you won't find a CO (Contracting Officer) in government who would sign a 3-digit profit percentage."

In reply, another HHS official, a doctor, agreed.

"Fully concur that 180 per cent is outrageous," the doctor said in an answer. Moreover, because taxpayer dollars had been used to fund research and development of the drug, "We should get a major discount given our support of front-end development," the e-mail states.

A few weeks later, the CEO of Siga, Dr. Eric A. Rose, wrote to HHS, saying "it was clear that we were at an impasse in negotiations" and urging government officials to remove the existing contracting officer and replace him "with a more senior official." The assistant secretary for preparedness and response, Nicole Lurie, agreed. In a letter to Rose, she told him she had instructed her officials "to appoint our most senior procurement official as the final authority for this procurement." Shortly thereafter, the contract was signed.

E-mails questioned huge contract for firm with ties to Obama administration - CNN.com