Small Government Conservatives

[sealybobo]

They're getting habeus corpus. They're just getting it on a war timeline, instead of the timeline afforded our citizens.

I never said Bush was a conservative. Never. I supported the war in Iraq, but didn't recognize that as a "conservative" decision.

How come you guys call your shrieking socialists "centrists" now? That's sort of funny. We're back to changing the definition of things to suit the illegality of your actions, per usual.

José Padilla is a United States citizen convicted of aiding terrorists. Padilla was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President Bush designated him an illegal enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to trial in civilian courts. Padilla was held for three-and-a-half years as an "enemy combatant" after his arrest in 2002 on suspicion of plotting a radioactive "dirty bomb" attack. That charge was dropped and his case was moved to a civilian court after pressure from civil liberties groups.

 

[bigdaddygtr]

You didn't refer to 'extremly large percentages of conservatives'. You specifically stated that I vote straight republican.

I wrote a rather lengthy post on why you are wrong on all your points, so I don't really need to post them again. Feel free to respond if to them if you like.

You want Reagan back in the WH so there is absolutely no point in even debating with you. You love him and I think he was awful. Clinton - I love him and you prob think he was awful. Way too far apart to even discuss anything

 

[bigdaddygtr]

We belonged in Iraq and lifted that country from it's knees.

I don't recall him shredding the consistution. Perhaps you could point that out?

Nor am I disavowing Bush. I'm simply pointing out the ignorance of the assertion that Bush is a conservative. Anyone who knows the least bit about anything would recognize that he isn't and never was.

Wow, even most Republicans don't think this anymore yet you still do? Shredding the Constitution - Can you say Patriot Act? Now I know why you liked Palin so much, cause neither one of you has a clue what the Bush Doctrine is

 

[sealybobo]

Wow, even most Republicans don't think this anymore yet you still do? Shredding the Constitution - Can you say Patriot Act? Now I know why you liked Palin so much, cause neither one of you has a clue what the Bush Doctrine is

I love people who still think invading Iraq was the right thing to do. I hope they continue to say that into the 2010 and 2012 elections. It'll score them big points with voters.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I love how you Cons "claim" to be for small government when you're not. You only want small government on the issues that we on the left like, but you have no problem making an invasion when it’s for your ideology like Abortion, Drugs, Guns, and Gays.

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD! It's yet ANOTHER IDIOT coming to prove their ignorance of Federalism... (I absolutely LOVE IT when they stumble into this one...)

So, lets get this clear, you're small gov't but you want the gov't to regulate who can marry who, who can have a child or abort one, who can smoke weed in their house and who cant, and you want to make sure that guns(which I'm pretty sure are much more lethal then that joint I used to smoke in college) are easily accessible. I got that right?

Look dumbass... there are layers of government in the United States, which you clearly do not understand.

We can BEGIN with the name of the nation: The United States. Now does that tickle any kind of an awakening here?

Ya see sis, The United States is a union of 50 separate states. Got that? That means that EACH STATE HAS ITS OWN GOVERNMENT which is FREE TO DETERMINE ITS OWN LAWS WITHIN THE CORE PRINCIPLES ESTABLISHED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL ON WHICH TE UNION RESTS; simply put, ‘the federal level’ is the level which JOINS THOSE EQUAL BUT SEPARATE STATES.

Frankly, I'm all for letting you stoners smoke as much dope as you want... as long as you don't come to the government at either the local, state or federal level and demand they give you food, money or some other subsidy... to offset your idiocy as nature closes in on you.

I'm all for you queers banging each other in the ass, as long as you do it in private and keep it out of my sight; As long as you don't bring your dying, bleeding asses to the local, state or federal gov't looking for a subsidy to pay for your self-induced failures; AND as long as you keep your lethal viruses which your behavior subjects you to, TO YOURSELVES. That means when that virus starts to leach into the hetero community YOU HAVE MADE YOUR SEXUAL HABITS MY PROBLEM... and thus I have a valid say in what you do.

Again, you're for small gov't when it suits you, then you want big gov't to push your Christian values on society - hilarious that you call us the big gov't people!

Christian values? Huh... So it’s the VALUES you loathe, NOT the Tenets of the RELIGION!

ROFLMNAO... Notice friends how they're now flagrantly stepping well beyond the threshold of 'separation of church and state.' It's not NEAR enough that Christianity is not established as a ‘state religion...’ which is not something that is on the table or anything approaching it. The problem is the VALUES of Christians; can't have THOSE in the culture... ‘Keep your values to yourselves Christians...’ while the value-less are free to determine the cultural standards, we Christians are to shut up and keep our values to ourselves. Which BTW, they're prepared to SUE us over... seeking the subjective opinion of a single fellow secularist who happens to sit on the judiciary to FORCE the Christians to keep their values to themselves; values which were introduced into law through THE LEGISLATURE! The representatives of THE PEOPLE! Meaning they want to use the POWER OF GOVERNMENT TO KEEP CHRISTIAN VALUES, NOT TENETS… but VALUES! out of the rules WHICH GOVERN THE CULTURE IN WHICH WE LIVE…

ROFLMNAO... You people are idiots.

I tell you friends... if we could just require a citizen pass a simple IQ test before we could vote, the ideological left would be shut down IMMEDIATELY!

 

[Lycurgus]

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD! It's yet ANOTHER IDIOT coming to prove their ignorance of Federalism... (I absolutely LOVE IT when they stumble into this one...)



Look dumbass... there are layers of government in the United States, which you clearly do not understand.

We can BEGIN with the name of the nation: The United States. Now does that tickle any kind of an awakening here?

Ya see sis, The United States is a union of 50 separate states. Got that? That means that EACH STATE HAS ITS OWN GOVERNMENT which is FREE TO DETERMINE ITS OWN LAWS WITHIN THE CORE PRINCIPLES ESTABLISHED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL ON WHICH TE UNION RESTS; simply put, ‘the federal level’ is the level which JOINS THOSE EQUAL BUT SEPARATE STATES.

Frankly, I'm all for letting you stoners smoke as much dope as you want... as long as you don't come to the government at either the local, state or federal level and demand they give you food, money or some other subsidy... to offset your idiocy as nature closes in on you.

I'm all for you queers banging each other in the ass, as long as you do it in private and keep it out of my sight; As long as you don't bring your dying, bleeding asses to the local, state or federal gov't looking for a subsidy to pay for your self-induced failures; AND as long as you keep your lethal viruses which your behavior subjects you to, TO YOURSELVES. That means when that virus starts to leach into the hetero community YOU HAVE MADE YOUR SEXUAL HABITS MY PROBLEM... and thus I have a valid say in what you do.



Christian values? Huh... So it’s the VALUES you loathe, NOT the Tenets of the RELIGION!

ROFLMNAO... Notice friends how they're now flagrantly stepping well beyond the threshold of 'separation of church and state.' It's not NEAR enough that Christianity is not established as a ‘state religion...’ which is not something that is on the table or anything approaching it. The problem is the VALUES of Christians; can't have THOSE in the culture... ‘Keep your values to yourselves Christians...’ while the value-less are free to determine the cultural standards, we Christians are to shut up and keep our values to ourselves. Which BTW, they're prepared to SUE us over... seeking the subjective opinion of a single fellow secularist who happens to sit on the judiciary to FORCE the Christians to keep their values to themselves; values which were introduced into law through THE LEGISLATURE! The representatives of THE PEOPLE! Meaning they want to use the POWER OF GOVERNMENT TO KEEP CHRISTIAN VALUES, NOT TENETS… but VALUES! out of the rules WHICH GOVERN THE CULTURE IN WHICH WE LIVE…

ROFLMNAO... You people are idiots.

I tell you friends... if we could just require a citizen pass a simple IQ test before we could vote, the ideological left would be shut down IMMEDIATELY!

Amazing isn't it?

This one in particular is a treasure to watch. He/she has a tough time grasping any basic logic, understanding or simply common sense.

I can't add much to what you have attempted to enlighten him/her with and I totally agree with your last line, only I would add a common sense value rating on that test as well. Think about it, Jimmy Carter had a high IQ. LOL

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Wow, even most Republicans don't think this anymore yet you still do?

ROFLMNAO... More populaist NONSENSE... 'Most people... blah blah blah..'

Shredding the Constitution - Can you say Patriot Act?

LMNAO... CAN YOU SAY A NEAR UNANIMOUS BI-PARTISAN VOTE BY THE LEGISLATURE?

Now I know why you liked Palin so much, cause neither one of you has a clue what the Bush Doctrine is

And she closes as she opened... with popular myth and intentional distortion.

LOL... Leftist...

 

[Bern80]

You want Reagan back in the WH so there is absolutely no point in even debating with you. You love him and I think he was awful. Clinton - I love him and you prob think he was awful. Way too far apart to even discuss anything

As long as you keep assuming things about people that you have absolutely no way of knowing are true or not I guess that is correct. Which is your deficiency, not mine.

You're about as well versed in debating as the dude in the other thread that wanted his essay critiqued and when he got it, got pissed off. One can't even tell from your post whether you're for or against big government. Why anyone short of a socialist would want that is not likely, so maybe you're actually *GASP* a conservative yourself.

 

[user_name_guest]

I love how you Cons "claim" to be for small government when you're not. You only want small government on the issues that we on the left like, but you have no problem making an invasion when its for your ideology like Abortion, Drugs, Guns, and Gays.

So, lets get this clear, you're small gov't but you want the gov't to regulate who can marry who, who can have a child or abort one, who can smoke weed in their house and who cant, and you want to make sure that guns(which I'm pretty sure are much more lethal then that joint I used to smoke in college) are easily accessible. I got that right?


Again, you're for small gov't when it suits you, then you want big gov't to push your Christian values on society - hilarious that you call us the big gov't people!

Gay marriage ban = state issue = people who voted for it = let's overturn the vote of the people = people like you = hypocrat (hypocrisy)

Majority of people who voted for Obama voted against the gay marriage ban in California. So is this majority of people who supported Obama and gay marriage ban support Bush? People who normally don't vote in election (Donovon McNabb (NFL QB) = "First time he ever voted because a black man was running and had a chance to win" comment), voted for a gay marriage ban. However, it's the conservatives fault. So now you are going to tell us that Bush is a fiscal conservative when in reality, he's a fiscal liberal.

 

[bigdaddygtr]

As long as you keep assuming things about people that you have absolutely no way of knowing are true or not I guess that is correct. Which is your deficiency, not mine.

You're about as well versed in debating as the dude in the other thread that wanted his essay critiqued and when he got it, got pissed off. One can't even tell from your post whether you're for or against big government. Why anyone short of a socialist would want that is not likely, so maybe you're actually *GASP* a conservative yourself.

You're sig says, "Its time for another Ronny in the WO," does it not? How am I assuming that? Is there another Ronny you're referring too?

 

[bigdaddygtr]

Gay marriage ban = state issue = people who voted for it = let's overturn the vote of the people = people like you = hypocrat (hypocrisy)

Majority of people who voted for Obama voted against the gay marriage ban in California. So is this majority of people who supported Obama and gay marriage ban support Bush? People who normally don't vote in election (Donovon McNabb (NFL QB) = "First time he ever voted because a black man was running and had a chance to win" comment), voted for a gay marriage ban. However, it's the conservatives fault. So now you are going to tell us that Bush is a fiscal conservative when in reality, he's a fiscal liberal.

So, Bush screws up and he's fiscally Liberal, but Clinton balances the budget and he's fiscally Liberal? Oh, yep, that makes alot of sense, your boy Bush fucks up and he's a closet Liberal.

Another great response from the right

 

[sealybobo]

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD! It's yet ANOTHER IDIOT coming to prove their ignorance of Federalism... (I absolutely LOVE IT when they stumble into this one...)



Look dumbass... there are layers of government in the United States, which you clearly do not understand.

We can BEGIN with the name of the nation: The United States. Now does that tickle any kind of an awakening here?

Ya see sis, The United States is a union of 50 separate states. Got that? That means that EACH STATE HAS ITS OWN GOVERNMENT which is FREE TO DETERMINE ITS OWN LAWS WITHIN THE CORE PRINCIPLES ESTABLISHED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL ON WHICH TE UNION RESTS; simply put, ‘the federal level’ is the level which JOINS THOSE EQUAL BUT SEPARATE STATES.

Frankly, I'm all for letting you stoners smoke as much dope as you want... as long as you don't come to the government at either the local, state or federal level and demand they give you food, money or some other subsidy... to offset your idiocy as nature closes in on you.

I'm all for you queers banging each other in the ass, as long as you do it in private and keep it out of my sight; As long as you don't bring your dying, bleeding asses to the local, state or federal gov't looking for a subsidy to pay for your self-induced failures; AND as long as you keep your lethal viruses which your behavior subjects you to, TO YOURSELVES. That means when that virus starts to leach into the hetero community YOU HAVE MADE YOUR SEXUAL HABITS MY PROBLEM... and thus I have a valid say in what you do.



Christian values? Huh... So it’s the VALUES you loathe, NOT the Tenets of the RELIGION!

ROFLMNAO... Notice friends how they're now flagrantly stepping well beyond the threshold of 'separation of church and state.' It's not NEAR enough that Christianity is not established as a ‘state religion...’ which is not something that is on the table or anything approaching it. The problem is the VALUES of Christians; can't have THOSE in the culture... ‘Keep your values to yourselves Christians...’ while the value-less are free to determine the cultural standards, we Christians are to shut up and keep our values to ourselves. Which BTW, they're prepared to SUE us over... seeking the subjective opinion of a single fellow secularist who happens to sit on the judiciary to FORCE the Christians to keep their values to themselves; values which were introduced into law through THE LEGISLATURE! The representatives of THE PEOPLE! Meaning they want to use the POWER OF GOVERNMENT TO KEEP CHRISTIAN VALUES, NOT TENETS… but VALUES! out of the rules WHICH GOVERN THE CULTURE IN WHICH WE LIVE…

ROFLMNAO... You people are idiots.

I tell you friends... if we could just require a citizen pass a simple IQ test before we could vote, the ideological left would be shut down IMMEDIATELY!

I couldn't get through your snarky bullshit. You see nephew, Republicans want states to decide for themselves when it is convienent for them but then they talk out of both sides of their mouth. For example, having the Supreme Court give Florida to Bush rather than let Florida decide. See Gore v Bush decision.

And now you can continue to ROFLMAO all you want, fag.

 

[sealybobo]

Gay marriage ban = state issue = people who voted for it = let's overturn the vote of the people = people like you = hypocrat (hypocrisy)

Majority of people who voted for Obama voted against the gay marriage ban in California. So is this majority of people who supported Obama and gay marriage ban support Bush? People who normally don't vote in election (Donovon McNabb (NFL QB) = "First time he ever voted because a black man was running and had a chance to win" comment), voted for a gay marriage ban. However, it's the conservatives fault. So now you are going to tell us that Bush is a fiscal conservative when in reality, he's a fiscal liberal.

We know most Americans are conservative when it comes to gay marriage. Why do you think Bush used it as a wedge issues?

And don't give us Bush, please! He's yours!!! All of you are hypocrits. Did you know that Bush got tax payers to build the Texas Stadium and then he sold the team and made a profit? Typical Republican. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits.

And if they put slavery or Brown vs. Board of Education on a ballot initiative, people would have voted for slavery and seperate but equal.

Sometimes the masses are wrong. Sometimes the people in one state are wrong. And that's when the Federal Government gets involved. The state has to follow federal law. And typically it's Red/southern/conservative states that don't seem to have the brainpower to grasp this concept.

 

[bigdaddygtr]

We know most Americans are conservative when it comes to gay marriage. Why do you think Bush used it as a wedge issues?

And don't give us Bush, please! He's yours!!! All of you are hypocrits. Did you know that Bush got tax payers to build the Texas Stadium and then he sold the team and made a profit? Typical Republican. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits.

And if they put slavery or Brown vs. Board of Education on a ballot initiative, people would have voted for slavery and seperate but equal.

Sometimes the masses are wrong. Sometimes the people in one state are wrong. And that's when the Federal Government gets involved. The state has to follow federal law. And typically it's Red/southern/conservative states that don't seem to have the brainpower to grasp this concept.

Nope, according to them Bush is a Liberal

 

[user_name_guest]

So, Bush screws up and he's fiscally Liberal, but Clinton balances the budget and he's fiscally Liberal? Oh, yep, that makes alot of sense, your boy Bush fucks up and he's a closet Liberal.

Another great response from the right

Do you know the difference between a fiscal conservative and a fiscal liberal (deficit ring a bell, hmm)? Seriously, if you don't know the difference between the two, you are just like those idiots who elected Bush and those idiots who claim he's conservative. Obviously, if you go against the Democrat party platform, you must have voted for Bush (see sealybobo).

Did i say Clinton is a fiscal liberal? Bush is my boy? Are you related to George W. Because i see the resemblance. If this was an NBA draft, the scouts would say your the next George W. Bush. But how? You're not conservative. Your compassionate at what you do. That is why we created medication. This is why we have strait jackets. This is why we have mental disabilities. This is why the rich stay in control no matter what party you are in. It wouldn't be a good investment in supporting the republican party when they are not in power. If you have $$$, you must appease. Now the agents in Washington change, so will the representatives of oil companies/wall street/beggars will change suits. Change their cards.

Hannity/Rush/Obermann/Matthews have their aggregate because they want everyone divided/controlled/manipulated. This whole political BS is going to tear this country apart. That's why they are telling us to bail out Wall Street (reward them for their failures). Would you give your neighbor $750 of money you don't have? Let me go print it out. Oh yes, i'm raising my prices. Oh no, you are losing more of your disposal income (print money/drive prices up). Oh yes, we are taking money out of you (taxpayers dollars) and giving it to that bum who put his money in a defective basket (economic meltdown). Oh no, we have Bush telling us that the bailout is urgent (see WMD). Oh yes, let's vote with him to give Paulson $750 at his disposal. Oh no, they were the watchdogs, now they are the problem solvers?

 

[bigdaddygtr]

Do you know the difference between a fiscal conservative and a fiscal liberal (deficit ring a bell, hmm)? Seriously, if you don't know the difference between the two, you are just like those idiots who elected Bush and those idiots who claim he's conservative. Obviously, if you go against the Democrat party platform, you must have voted for Bush (see sealybobo).

Did i say Clinton is a fiscal liberal? Bush is my boy? Are you related to George W. Because i see the resemblance. If this was an NBA draft, the scouts would say your the next George W. Bush. But how? You're not conservative. Your compassionate at what you do. That is why we created medication. This is why we have strait jackets. This is why we have mental disabilities. This is why the rich stay in control no matter what party you are in. It wouldn't be a good investment in supporting the republican party when they are not in power. If you have $$$, you must appease. Now the agents in Washington change, so will the representatives of oil companies/wall street/beggars will change suits. Change their cards.

Hannity/Rush/Obermann/Matthews have their aggregate because they want everyone divided/controlled/manipulated. This whole political BS is going to tear this country apart. That's why they are telling us to bail out Wall Street (reward them for their failures). Would you give your neighbor $750 of money you don't have? Let me go print it out. Oh yes, i'm raising my prices. Oh no, you are losing more of your disposal income (print money/drive prices up). Oh yes, we are taking money out of you (taxpayers dollars) and giving it to that bum who put his money in a defective basket (economic meltdown). Oh no, we have Bush telling us that the bailout is urgent (see WMD). Oh yes, let's vote with him to give Paulson $750 at his disposal. Oh no, they were the watchdogs, now they are the problem solvers?

Honestly, there is no point and you and I debating anything cause you think I'm an idiot and I know you are so lets just leave it at that

 

[Bern80]

You're sig says, "Its time for another Ronny in the WO," does it not? How am I assuming that? Is there another Ronny you're referring too?

yes.

I strongly suggest you take an introspective look at yourself before coping to this 'debating you is pointless' routine. You are getting the flak you are getting because your original statement rests on inaccurate presumptions, therefore you have NO ARGUMENT. What is the point of trying to argue something on faulty premise? I am more than happy to debate all you want, just as long as it is something with an accurate premise.

 

[UptoDate]

Again, you're for small gov't when it suits you, then you want big gov't to push your Christian values on society - hilarious that you call us the big gov't people!

Could you give an example?

 

[midcan5]

Bigdaddygtr, you pretty much nailed them but the so-called conservative audience on USMB leans more towards libertarianism even when they put in power people who would take away their rights. I'm often amazed that they lump all liberals together but fail to look at their party's ideological consequences. After Bush small government is comic.

The Conservative Nanny State

 

[sealybobo]

Nope, according to them Bush is a Liberal

He's also a socialist.

And the GOP went along with everything Bush wanted for 6 long years. Bush also went along with what they/Tom Delay wanted for 6 long years. They were in collusion together.

We already know Bush outsourced too much, cut corporate taxes too much, spent too much, occupied too many soverign nations, increased the debt too much, lied too much, lost too many jobs, caused too much inflation.

And us liberals knew that these things would happen.

Now the GOP accuse us of doing all the bad things that they did to this country for 6-8 years? That's called projecting.