Slut Or Not??

[Luissa]

Total slut....But not in the conventional sense of the word.

Who else but a no-pride political slut would let herself be used by congress the way that Fluke has been?

On top of that, it's evident to anyone who isn't totally in the tank with the whackaloon left, that the figure of $3,000 for an annual contraception tab is simply an over-the-top lie.

a. The Obama administration will do anything to get his string of failures out of the news.

That has been evident since the the moment that the whole contrived "debate" over contraception was ginned up.

The woman attends one of the nation's priciest colleges, and the chances are good that she sees an expensive upscale prestigious doctor who probably prescribes the most expensive contraceptives out there. That's the only way I can possibly see that somebody could run up a $3,000 bill for contraceptives in a year. That would be $250/month!!! Give me a break. The most widely used prescription birth control runs about $30/month at most and there are a lot of quite effective means of contraceptive that cost a fraction of that.

And whatever happened to the concept of personal responsibility? I was told that if I insisted on smoking, I damn well better be working and buying my own cigs., Ditto for beer/alcohol etc. I would suggest that we would be a far stronger nation if we returned to a culture in which people did not expect to have sex until they were old enough and responsible enough to buy their own condoms.

She didn't say in a year, she said while in law school which would be three years. And she also said up to, some cost 50 a month. If you add in the exam you have to have every year and then add STD testing if your doctor requires it, because that is not included in a Regular exam it could probably cost close to 3,000 while in law school.
And the girl in the main example was a lesbian who needed birth control for health reasons.

 

[Luissa]

Total slut....But not in the conventional sense of the word.

Who else but a no-pride political slut would let herself be used by congress the way that Fluke has been?

On top of that, it's evident to anyone who isn't totally in the tank with the whackaloon left, that the figure of $3,000 for an annual contraception tab is simply an over-the-top lie.

a. The Obama administration will do anything to get his string of failures out of the news.

That has been evident since the the moment that the whole contrived "debate" over contraception was ginned up.

And you are lying now, because that isn't what she said.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Total slut....But not in the conventional sense of the word.

Who else but a no-pride political slut would let herself be used by congress the way that Fluke has been?

On top of that, it's evident to anyone who isn't totally in the tank with the whackaloon left, that the figure of $3,000 for an annual contraception tab is simply an over-the-top lie.


That has been evident since the the moment that the whole contrived "debate" over contraception was ginned up.

The woman attends one of the nation's priciest colleges, and the chances are good that she sees an expensive upscale prestigious doctor who probably prescribes the most expensive contraceptives out there. That's the only way I can possibly see that somebody could run up a $3,000 bill for contraceptives in a year. That would be $250/month!!! Give me a break. The most widely used prescription birth control runs about $30/month at most and there are a lot of quite effective means of contraceptive that cost a fraction of that.

And whatever happened to the concept of personal responsibility? I was told that if I insisted on smoking, I damn well better be working and buying my own cigs., Ditto for beer/alcohol etc. I would suggest that we would be a far stronger nation if we returned to a culture in which people did not expect to have sex until they were old enough and responsible enough to buy their own condoms.

She didn't say in a year, she said while in law school which would be three years. And she also said up to, some cost 50 a month. If you add in the exam you have to have every year and then add STD testing if your doctor requires it, because that is not included in a Regular exam it could probably cost close to 3,000 while in law school.
And the girl in the main example was a lesbian who needed birth control for health reasons.

Exactly why 'healthcare' is an entitlement rather than a right.
I don't care how she behaves, nor with whom...as long as she takes responsibility for same.

On the other hand, you are perfectly free to contribute to whatsoever clinic you so desire.

 

[Moonglow]

Since you all seem to be confused about she testified you are making an ass out of yourselves. She ask no one to pay for her birth control, she only wanted it included in the student healthcare she buys at the school. She referenced not only about her but even about married couples that have health insurance but birth control is not available.
You so called good christians are not being good christians at all when you say what you do.

 

[Luissa]

The woman attends one of the nation's priciest colleges, and the chances are good that she sees an expensive upscale prestigious doctor who probably prescribes the most expensive contraceptives out there. That's the only way I can possibly see that somebody could run up a $3,000 bill for contraceptives in a year. That would be $250/month!!! Give me a break. The most widely used prescription birth control runs about $30/month at most and there are a lot of quite effective means of contraceptive that cost a fraction of that.

And whatever happened to the concept of personal responsibility? I was told that if I insisted on smoking, I damn well better be working and buying my own cigs., Ditto for beer/alcohol etc. I would suggest that we would be a far stronger nation if we returned to a culture in which people did not expect to have sex until they were old enough and responsible enough to buy their own condoms.

She didn't say in a year, she said while in law school which would be three years. And she also said up to, some cost 50 a month. If you add in the exam you have to have every year and then add STD testing if your doctor requires it, because that is not included in a Regular exam it could probably cost close to 3,000 while in law school.
And the girl in the main example was a lesbian who needed birth control for health reasons.

Exactly why 'healthcare' is an entitlement rather than a right.
I don't care how she behaves, nor with whom...as long as she takes responsibility for same.

On the other hand, you are perfectly free to contribute to whatsoever clinic you so desire.

This case was not about the gov't paying for birth control but companies owned by religious organization. And if they do cover it for the employees, these women pay a premium every month plus co pays I am guessing. This isn't a entitlement issue, it is companies discriminating against their female employees. If you cover other elective medicines like Viagra it is discrimination. Also the example this girl used was a girl who needed it for health reasons. One reason I needed birth control in the past.
Stop trying to make it intO the issue you want it to be, and try discussing the real issue that was brought up at these hearings and with the mandate.

 

[Luissa]

I play a premium every month, and had to pay $30 for my birth control, a three month supply. I have paid for health insurance for the last year and have gone to the doctor once, for my paps smear. I think I have well and paid for my birth control.

 

[Foxfyre]

Even $3,000 in three years is $83/month. A condom 40 pack at Cosco is about $9.69 or 24 cents per each. If the starving law students wanted to pool their resources, they can get a pack of 1000 condoms through Condomdepot or 16 cents per condom. And Planned Parenthood will give them out for free.

The bleeding hearts who have great sympathy for the poor unfortunate folks who can't even afford that could certainly easily contribute enough to cover condoms or whatever for those few folks. But don't write it into law as still another entitlement to be abused by all concerned.

 

[Dragon]

The issue is not about sex even. The issue is the expectation that we are somehow entitled to have others pay for the lifestyle we choose.

Same thing. If you think that for a young, unmarried woman to use contraceptives is normal and healthy, then you don't have a problem with it being a collective responsibility like the rest of health care. If you think she shouldn't be doing that, then you object.

It really, truly does all come down to sex.

 

[Foxfyre]

Since you all seem to be confused about she testified you are making an ass out of yourselves. She ask no one to pay for her birth control, she only wanted it included in the student healthcare she buys at the school. She referenced not only about her but even about married couples that have health insurance but birth control is not available.
You so called good christians are not being good christians at all when you say what you do.

Nor are you being a good citizen by misquoting what we are saying. We do not want to be required, as a matter of law, to pay for somebody else's lifestyle choice. We do not wish to deny them their lifestyle choice. We just don't want to be required to pay for it, condone it, or contribute to it. If we CHOOSE to pay for it, condone it, or contribute to it, that is a different thing.

I don't care whether any organization chooses to do that or not. But it should be that organization's choice.

If a college or hospital or anybody else does not wish to CHOOSE to include contraceptives in their health plan, that was once considered their unalienable right to choose. And I should not be required to pay more in taxes OR healthcare premiums just to support somebody else's chosen lifestyle.

 

[Foxfyre]

The issue is not about sex even. The issue is the expectation that we are somehow entitled to have others pay for the lifestyle we choose.

Same thing. If you think that for a young, unmarried woman to use contraceptives is normal and healthy, then you don't have a problem with it being a collective responsibility like the rest of health care. If you think she shouldn't be doing that, then you object.

It really, truly does all come down to sex.

And if I don't believe a young, unmarried woman SHOULD be having sex?--disclaimer here that I don't care one way or the other--I should be required via my taxes or via higher insurance premiums to pay for her choice to do that? Sex after all is something we can choose to engage in or not.

I don't want to pay higher taxes or higher insurance premiums just so that you can have the lifestyle you choose. YOU pay for the lifestyle you choose. You may not be as happy having to take responsibility for your own choices, but I'll be a far sight more happy. I like that better.

 

[Dragon]

And if I don't believe a young, unmarried woman SHOULD be having sex?--disclaimer here that I don't care one way or the other--I should be required via my taxes or via higher insurance premiums to pay for her choice to do that?

And if you don't believe that parents SHOULD vaccinate their children? And if you don't believe people ever SHOULD visit a doctor instead of relying on faith in God? And if you don't believe people ever SHOULD go under a surgeon's knife because it's a violation of the body?

All of these views are held on a religious basis by some people in this country, and none of them are considered grounds for objecting to either taxes or insurance premiums. This is no different.

 

[Luissa]

Even $3,000 in three years is $83/month. A condom 40 pack at Cosco is about $9.69 or 24 cents per each. If the starving law students wanted to pool their resources, they can get a pack of 1000 condoms through Condomdepot or 16 cents per condom. And Planned Parenthood will give them out for free.

The bleeding hearts who have great sympathy for the poor unfortunate folks who can't even afford that could certainly easily contribute enough to cover condoms or whatever for those few folks. But don't write it into law as still another entitlement to be abused by all concerned.

You do realize that many students pay for their health care while In college? And they pay for it at Georgetown.

 

[California Girl]

Actually, except for those who consider health care in toto an individual rather than a collective responsibility, the moral and social issues ARE what this is about.

What's the purpose of health care, anyway? It's to allow us the enjoyment of life that ill health would prevent us from enjoying, isn't it? To maintain, not just life, but healthy life, enjoyable life. And so, if we believe that health care for this purpose should be a collective expense -- whether in the form of government expenditure or in the form of insurance -- then whether we consider that contraception should be a part of that, depends on whether we consider sex to be a normal and proper part of the enjoyment of life.

If you think that sex is bad-except, and should be discouraged outside of marriage, then you will see contraception as an option not a necessity of life's enjoyment, and will object to it being a collective expense. If you think that sex is good-except, you're likely to believe that contraception, being a necessary medical expense for those who are sexually active, should be covered just like cancer diagnosis or surgery or medications or anything else in the way of medical expense necessary to living and enjoying a healthy life.

Really, it DOES all come down to how you think about sex.

I'm quite happy for you to enjoy your life.... but I'm not going to pay for it. You wanna visit Disney for health benefits? Pay for your own fucking ride. Ain't rocket science.

 

[Oddball]

Since you all seem to be confused about she testified you are making an ass out of yourselves. She ask no one to pay for her birth control, she only wanted it included in the student healthcare she buys at the school. She referenced not only about her but even about married couples that have health insurance but birth control is not available.
You so called good christians are not being good christians at all when you say what you do.

Boo fucking hoo.

I have auto insurance, but oil changes aren't paid for.

 

[Luissa]

The issue is not about sex even. The issue is the expectation that we are somehow entitled to have others pay for the lifestyle we choose.

Same thing. If you think that for a young, unmarried woman to use contraceptives is normal and healthy, then you don't have a problem with it being a collective responsibility like the rest of health care. If you think she shouldn't be doing that, then you object.

It really, truly does all come down to sex.

And if I don't believe a young, unmarried woman SHOULD be having sex?--disclaimer here that I don't care one way or the other--I should be required via my taxes or via higher insurance premiums to pay for her choice to do that? Sex after all is something we can choose to engage in or not.

I don't want to pay higher taxes or higher insurance premiums just so that you can have the lifestyle you choose. YOU pay for the lifestyle you choose. You may not be as happy having to take responsibility for your own choices, but I'll be a far sight more happy. I like that better.

This issue isn't about you paying for it. It is about companies and university providing birth control to women who pay for health insurance. How hard is it for you people to stick to this issue?

 

[Oddball]

This issue is less about contraception and pre-marital sex than it is about a rather wealthy college coed, allowing herself to be used as a political prop and lying out her ass in the process.

That's YOUR issue with it. I have another. So do most people. I expressed it. That you would prefer to confine the issues to what will support your own political agenda is understandable -- but not allowed.

Wrong...It is THE issue.

We wouldn't even be discussing this had sea hag Pelosi not trotted her out in public, to whine and cry about not getting BC for "free".

 

[Wry Catcher]

Even $3,000 in three years is $83/month. A condom 40 pack at Cosco is about $9.69 or 24 cents per each. If the starving law students wanted to pool their resources, they can get a pack of 1000 condoms through Condomdepot or 16 cents per condom. And Planned Parenthood will give them out for free.

The bleeding hearts who have great sympathy for the poor unfortunate folks who can't even afford that could certainly easily contribute enough to cover condoms or whatever for those few folks. But don't write it into law as still another entitlement to be abused by all concerned.

I like bleeding hearts much more than callous hearts. Callous hearts are so judgmental and hypocritical - don't you agree (in your heart of hearts)?

 

[Foxfyre]

And if I don't believe a young, unmarried woman SHOULD be having sex?--disclaimer here that I don't care one way or the other--I should be required via my taxes or via higher insurance premiums to pay for her choice to do that?

And if you don't believe that parents SHOULD vaccinate their children? And if you don't believe people ever SHOULD visit a doctor instead of relying on faith in God? And if you don't believe people ever SHOULD go under a surgeon's knife because it's a violation of the body?

All of these views are held on a religious basis by some people in this country, and none of them are considered grounds for objecting to either taxes or insurance premiums. This is no different.

I saw to it that my children received every recommended vaccination and my husband and I paid for every single one of them out of our own pockets. We did not see it as anybody else's responsibility to vaccinate our kids. We didn't see it as anybody else's responsibility to feed, clothe, house, and educate our kids either. In the early years it was tough going and we went without a lot of stuff we would have liked to have had so that we could meet our responsibilities as grown ups, meet our obligations, and take care of what we had to do.

I do not expect you to provide me with anything just because I can't afford it myself. I don't want to be obligated to pay for your lifestyle choices.

And that is the difference in a nutshell between a responsible grown up conservative and a dependent, brainwashed, entitlement mentality liberal.

 

[Texanmike]

Here is her testimony.The problem is that her testimony looks worse than what I thought it was.

I'm not going to call her names or belittle her I don't think that has any place in this discussion. Well at least not for her choice to be sexually active.

First of all, she is 30. She is not 22 or 25, she is 30. Second, she made the choice to be a broke law student. Guess what, being a student means you're broke. I don't know her personal affairs but I would be willing to bet she has an Iphone. Between the original Iphone and the service (@65/month) she is talking about roughly $2500. The fact that the Iphone puts a financial burden on her (and some consider it a necessity) doesn't mean that we should require someone to pay for it. Thirdly, why in the hell would she take an insurance policy that doesn't give her birth control? She is a law school student, she can't claim ignorance here. This similar to me getting a collision coverage policy and then demanding that the company cover me with a comprehensive policy.

This woman may or may not be a slut or a whore, I don't know and I don't care. If she were a slut but intelligent and articulate it would not take away from her point. Conversely no amount of virtue would make her more intelligent or her point any more valid. What she is, is a moron. Her friends are morons too. I don't care if she's a man or a woman. This isn't about women's rights or respect for women either, this is about purchasing a product and getting what she is supposed to get from it. If every woman demands birth control @ 3000, then the premiums (assuming that 50% are female) would necessarily go up $1500 for everyone involved. (Probably less because the insurance company gets the drugs cheaper so we'll say 1000 just for the sake of argument). So should my insurance costs be mandated to raise by a given amount so that she can get her birth control?

That is retarded. The mere fact that she exists and has a vag should not require that I pay more in insurance premiums. And what if that $1000 prices the policy out of the reach of a woman who doesn't want birth control?

I don't hate here for something to do with her body or her choices, I hate her because she is the enemy of any decent human being. She is demanding that the government, with the weight of their guns behind them, require that if I want to buy insurance from anyone and anywhere I must agree to pay for her birth control. I don't care if it is a medical necessity, I don't care if it is for convenience... I don't care at all. What kind of precedent does this set?

The gravy train will stop at some point. I don't know when it is but I hope there is a special place in hell for people like her. The people who will use the force of the masses to plunder from the productive are a special kind of evil. That is the evil of greed. The fact that she exists, the fact that her ovaries exist... should not demand that i pay for their health.

Mike

 

[Luissa]

This issue is less about contraception and pre-marital sex than it is about a rather wealthy college coed, allowing herself to be used as a political prop and lying out her ass in the process.

That's YOUR issue with it. I have another. So do most people. I expressed it. That you would prefer to confine the issues to what will support your own political agenda is understandable -- but not allowed.

Wrong...It is THE issue.

We wouldn't even be discussing this had sea hag Pelosi not trotted her out in public, to whine and cry about not getting BC for "free".

Is it hard to stick to facts? It wasn't about getting it for free, it was about health plans they pay for covering birth control. Fucking A people why is this so hard to understand. Students don't get health care at Georgetoen for a free, and the female employees of these companies do not either.