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[Moonglow]

let us take the example of Oblama making secret meeting swith Taliban on peace talks. the Afghans and Pakinstan have been in meetings for the last two months but would not allow the US into the talks because of Pakistans anti-US fellings over covert operations in their country by the US.
Finally they agreed to allow the US back into the talks and the special ed forces try to use this as propaganda about how Obama only is negotiating with the Taliban.
Hohum! The Afghan govt. wants peace with the Taliban and so does Pakistan. they would like the whole thing over with.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama leaked information specifically designed to end on-going intelligence gathering operations. He ended the cooperation of locals and stood by while the man who really got Bin Laden was sent to a Pakistani prison.

Sorry, but to compare this to Valerie Plame is absolutely insulting to our men and women still in the field.

 

[jillian]

cool... another delusional thread.

fun fun fun.

 

[buckeye45_73]

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Another dumb fuck that cannot face the truth

I dont put people on ignore, so ill be your huckleberry.
Liberals talking about truth. Lolololololololol.
Mediscare aint gonna work this time, because obama has gutted it, without changing the structure of the plan, he just took $716000000000, out of the program and did no reform..........uh oh

 

[buckeye45_73]

Oh really? What level would have been acceptable? Donning a military flight outfit? Grabbing a flight on a fighter plane to a aircraft carrier diverted solely to make a speech about announcing "Mission Accomplished"?

Bush: "Mission Accomplished" -- REAL Speech - YouTube

Yeah..these "non-partisan" assholes seemed to have no fucking problem with that.

As you ought to know that whole event on the aircraft carrier was staged by the carrier group, and it was about their mission being accoomplished along with major combat operations. Bush said not a word like came out of the Obama WH, and he DID NOT PUT AT RISK US INTEL AND SECURITY by making that implied statement of accomplishment.

Not only did Obama (at least appear to) take all the credit at the beginning, he doubled down and used it in every conceivable way, even to the extent of commissioning a Hollywood production, originally planned to be released before the election.

Bush was sharing his pride in the troops with the troops; a far cry from our experience with Obama slapping himself on the back ad nauseum.

Oh bullshit.

Bush put the entire armed forces at risk for a war of choice..and an illegal action.

Add to that..he took Saddam Hussien's pistol as a trophy.

And as far as leaking stuff? The Bush administration was in overdrive. We knew about the secret prisons, the torture, abu gharib..and all sorts of stuff.

Heck..they personally outted a CIA agent.

Are you aware that the CIA hired a Mafia hit man to try to take out Castro? That basically was only confirmed several years ago. That's a tight hold on confidential material. You didn't see that out of the Bush administration.

You really have no case here.

As do these assholes involved in a lying smear campaign.

Hu


A couple of things, first democrats voted for the war, so shut the fuck up. Second what would you have done, nothing. Great plan, iraq would be run by hussein, terrorists would fuck wi th the us. The good thing about the wars, and there are some good thins, is that the terrorists know which party is sympathetic to them, it aint the republicans

 

[candycorn]

put everyone on ignore and just post by yourself.

I think he's done that already. He's on ignore in spirit if not practice yet.

 

[Katzndogz]

Let's see if we can draw a comparison.

Bush made an appearance on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit.

obama helps a movie studio to make a movie about Bin Laden, orders our military structure to coooperate with the movie makers and declassifies military information so that the studio could use it because the studio would inflate his participation and make him the brave hero of the nation.

Hmm. Which is the more self-aggrandizing?

 

[candycorn]

It's about time someone stepped up and called the President out on his spiking the ball at the expense of security and intel for our country and our troops. It's been egregious really. These guys will be raked over the coals just like the Swiftboaters who did the same thing; tell the truth.

Do a little searching and if you feel inclined you can donate.

Watch the video and how the president covers his ass by generously sharing the credit:

Obama: " - Give thanks to the men who carried out this operation for they exemplify the proressionialism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country ... - "


Soledad O’Brien, the host of “Starting Point,” asked why the group, in their video, had edited out a segment of a speech in which Obama praised the men who carried out the bin Laden operation.

Read more: Navy SEAL vet hits Obama on Osama - Katie Glueck - POLITICO.com

The Video with response:

“I absolutely believe that the president, as should any president who presided over this type of operation, should get some credit,” said Scott Taylor, a former Navy SEAL, speaking on CNN’s “Starting Point.” “But to the level of credit they have taken, it’s pretty gross.”
POLITICO.com: VIDEOS

Oh really? What level would have been acceptable? Donning a military flight outfit? Grabbing a flight on a fighter plane to a aircraft carrier diverted solely to make a speech about announcing "Mission Accomplished"?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU]Bush: "Mission Accomplished" -- REAL Speech - YouTube[/ame]

Yeah..these "non-partisan" assholes seemed to have no fucking problem with that.

As you ought to know that whole event on the aircraft carrier was staged by the carrier group, and it was about their mission being accoomplished along with major combat operations. Bush said not a word like came out of the Obama WH, and he DID NOT PUT AT RISK US INTEL AND SECURITY by making that implied statement of accomplishment.

Then his administration outed (or at the very least helped to out) a CIA agent because of her husband's political leanings, ginned up the Jessica Lynch capture, outright lied about Pat Tillman's death right to his family's face...

Not only did Obama (at least appear to) take all the credit at the beginning, he doubled down and used it in every conceivable way, even to the extent of commissioning a Hollywood production, originally planned to be released before the election.

Bush was sharing his pride in the troops with the troops; a far cry from our experience with Obama slapping himself on the back ad nauseum.

What exactly did Obama say that makes you think he personally was taking credit for killing OBL?

 

[American Horse]

Not only did Obama (at least appear to) take all the credit at the beginning, he doubled down and used it in every conceivable way, even to the extent of commissioning a Hollywood production, originally planned to be released before the election.

Bush was sharing his pride in the troops with the troops; a far cry from our experience with Obama slapping himself on the back ad nauseum.

What exactly did Obama say that makes you think he personally was taking credit for killing OBL?

With all due respect CandyC, If you don't know the answer to that question I'm not going to do the job the media you watch isn't doing for you.

That's a sad commentary on how that particular media is failing you.

 

[beretta304]

cool... another delusional thread.

fun fun fun.

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And another worthless reply from someone who preaches to others about being sophomoric and childish.


That's what happens when one doesn't look before they leap in so many ways... oh annoying one... now isn't it?

 

[Luissa]

Isn't that just like the left... whatever Obama does is absolutely fine... even when it's damaging to our national security and our military.... everyone's wrong, everyone's racist, everyone hates Obama.

Pity the left... they clearly hate the military.

We clearly hate the military? Ha!
I had no idea you were such a hack.

 

[beretta304]

Isn't that just like the left... whatever Obama does is absolutely fine... even when it's damaging to our national security and our military.... everyone's wrong, everyone's racist, everyone hates Obama.

Pity the left... they clearly hate the military.

We clearly hate the military? Ha!
I had no idea you were such a hack.

Are you going to try and say the those that constitute the left today, favor the military? It's a perfectly legitimate questions considering today's left is quite different from the left of just 10 years ago.

 

[courseofhistory]

It's all slipping away for the Dems. Now they want to undermine former soldiers for speaking out against the regime.

"President Barack Obama‘s aides and allies are trying to undermine an emerging campaign by former soldiers who are slamming the White House for what they see as a willingness to betray the nation’s secrets in exchange for publicity."

And look who is at the center of it. Senator Gigolo!

"His aides released a plea from Sen. John Kerry late Friday, urging supporters to ignore the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund’s hard-hitting criticisms. OPSEC is military jargon for operational security."

Never mind Swiftboating him, they should have ran him over with the boat.

Read more: Obama team revives 'birther' claim to fend off critical vets | The Daily Caller

So asking people to ignore these ex soldiers is undermining them? I take what they say for what it's worth: nothing. They are not part of the teams who decided to go after bin Laden nor were they in on the raid and killing. What they are saying is based purely on speculation. I also find it telling that someone gets all this criticism for actually finding and killing bin Laden. I have read what Obama has said about the killing and he gives an enormous amount of credit to others and the seals. Unlike George Bush who stated several years after 9/11 that finding bin Laden wasn't important anymore because of his failure. Where was/is the criticism of George Bush. I see a lot of "I's" in that statement too as others are accusing Obama of taking credit (I this, I that, etc.).

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority" -- 3/13/02 George Bush

Osama bin Laden dead: George W Bush praises Barack Obama's 'good call'

Bush gave Obama some credit with saying it was a "good call" and he said Obama said "bin Laden is dead." Not "I killed bin Laden."

Rudy Giuliani praised President Obama's "courage" for the risky method he chose to take

down Osama bin Laden, adding his death is a "significant step" in the war on terror - but saying the tones of jubilation feel strange to him.

"I feel a great deal of satisfaction that justice has been done, and I admire the courage of the president to make a decision like this because if something had gone wrong everyone would be blaming him," Giuliani told POLITICO Monday morning in his first comments since the capture. "And I admire the courage and professionalism of our military intelligence officials who carried this out and this is a great victory against terror. Nobody can minimize it. He was a symbol more than anything else right now but ... symbols are really important."

Read more

Even U.S. News blogger Alvin Felzenberg, typically a tough critic of the president, suggests Obama proved himself a competent commander in chief in light of last week’s bizarre schedule that included birther drama, an Oprah appearance, a visit to flood-torn Alabama, and the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. “Aware that the final battle against bin Laden was being planned and waged,” he writes, “Obama went through what had to have been a most atypical routine—even for presidents—without showing signs of stress, anguish, or discomfort.”

...

A New York Times/CBS poll shows approval of Obama's handling of foreign policy got a 13-point bump to 52 percent after bin Laden's death, and the president's overall approval is up to 57 percent. But not everyone is climbing on the Obama bandwagon. U.S. News blogger Peter Roff suggests Obama's allies are using “this game-changing event as a way to promote the presidency of Barack Obama.” The president deserves “kudos” for the operation, Roff writes, but “it seems there has been a constant and ongoing effort to make sure Obama’s stamp—and no one else’s—is on the operation.”

...

LINK

 

[American Horse]

It's not all about the blatent strutting the president apparently believes he needs to do to appear to be good on national security. It's also the leaks that damage our national security that even security conscious patriots in his own party call him to task for.

Here's what Senate Intelligence Committe chair Diane Feinstein said (the video is at the bottom of this page)

Feinstein: " The Senate Intelligence Committee has just had a meeting with the Director of National Intelligence against Clapper. We invited the House Committee chairman [...] and the vice chairman [...] to attend the session and we were pleased that they did. So we will work with the house membership on language that will be acceptable that can be acceptable to both sides, to codify a certain process which we hope will be more efficient in retarding leaking and also being able to STOP IT, and also being able to evolve more tools to control ait nd where it cannot be controlled to take additional actions.

This has to stop. When people say THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH THE UNITED STATES, because they can't trust us to keep a secret, that's serious. When allies become concerned, when an assets life is in jeopardy, or the assets family's life is in jeopardy, that's a problem.

The point of intelligence is to be able to know what might happen to protect this country . . . and we can't do that if the intelligence is no longer kept with strict scrutiny within the number of people that need to have it. If you notice I don't believe leaks are coming out of either one of these committees. They're coming from elsewhere and the chairman of the house committee was saying that so many people now have information which didn't exist that way . . . the "stove pipes are down" . . . information is shared more broadly.

well if this is critical tactical covert information it put lives in risk, it puts our allies at risk. And this is what we're concerned about. "

Following is some of that information excerpted from David Sanger's new book, "Confront and Conceal: Obama's Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power," which he says was leaked from the WH or other insiders to print and other media:

That in the past few months we have read that the U.S. penetrated al Qaeda in Yemen and foiled a terror plot; that the Stuxnet cyberworm, which caused chaos in the Iranian nuclear program, was a joint Israeli-American operation

That President Obama personally approves every name on an expanding "kill list" of those targeted and removed from life by unmanned drones. According to the New York Times, Mr. Obama pores over "suspects' biographies" in "what one official calls 'the macabre 'baseball cards' of an unconventional war."

We learn that Stuxnet was "the most sophisticated, complex cyberattack the United States had ever launched." Its secret name was "Olympic Games." America and Israel developed the "malicious software" together, the U.S. at Fort Meade, Md., where it keeps "computer warriors, an in " Israel at a military intelligence agency it "barely acknowledges exists."

That the Pentagon has built a replica of Iran's Natanz enrichment plant. The National Security Agency "routinely taps the ISI's cell phones"—that's the Pakistani intelligence agency.

That a "secret" U.S. program helps Pakistan protect its nuclear facilities; it involves fences and electronic padlocks. Still, insurgents bent on creating a dirty bomb, if they have a friend inside, can slip out "a few grams of nuclear material at a time" and outwit security systems targeted at major theft. In any case, there's a stockpile of highly enriched uranium sitting "near an aging research reactor in Pakistan." It could be used for several dirty bombs.
It's a good thing our enemies can't read. Wait, they can! They can download all this onto their iPads at a café in Islamabad.

That during the search for Osama bin Laden, American intelligence experts had a brilliant idea. Bin Laden liked to make videotapes to rouse his troops and threaten the West. Why not flood part of Pakistan with new digital cameras, each with a "unique signature" that would allow its signals to be tracked? The signal could function as a beacon for a drone. Agents got the new cameras into the distribution chain of Peshawar shops. The plan didn't catch Osama, because he wasn't in that area. But "traceable digital cameras are still relied on by the CIA . . . and remain highly classified."
Well, they were.

That there was a Pakistani doctor named Shakil Afridi who was sympathetic to America. He became involved in a scheme to try and get the DNA of Osama's family. He "and a team of nurses" were hired by the U.S. to administer hepatitis B vaccinations throughout Abbottabad. The vaccinations were real. Dr. Afridi got inside Osama's compound but never got to vaccinate any bin Ladens. [he was able to report back to our people that this had all the hallmarks of an Osama hide-out.]

In the days after bin Laden was killed, the doctor was picked up by Pakistani agents and accused of cooperating with the Americans. He was likely tortured. He's in prison now, convicted of conspiring against the state.

No word yet on the nurses, but stand by.

The Feinstein video quote above >>


Here's another very short vid in which Feinstein draws the conclusion of where the leaks are coming from.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VPd0YpN8E8&feature=related"]Democrat Senator Obama White House Behind National Security Leaks - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Listening]

Swift Boat 2.0

Only in this case Obama was never even close to the combat.

Should be more like Oil Slick clean up.

 

[Sallow]

As you ought to know that whole event on the aircraft carrier was staged by the carrier group, and it was about their mission being accoomplished along with major combat operations. Bush said not a word like came out of the Obama WH, and he DID NOT PUT AT RISK US INTEL AND SECURITY by making that implied statement of accomplishment.

Not only did Obama (at least appear to) take all the credit at the beginning, he doubled down and used it in every conceivable way, even to the extent of commissioning a Hollywood production, originally planned to be released before the election.

Bush was sharing his pride in the troops with the troops; a far cry from our experience with Obama slapping himself on the back ad nauseum.

Oh bullshit.

Bush put the entire armed forces at risk for a war of choice..and an illegal action.

Add to that..he took Saddam Hussien's pistol as a trophy.

And as far as leaking stuff? The Bush administration was in overdrive. We knew about the secret prisons, the torture, abu gharib..and all sorts of stuff.

Heck..they personally outted a CIA agent.

Are you aware that the CIA hired a Mafia hit man to try to take out Castro? That basically was only confirmed several years ago. That's a tight hold on confidential material. You didn't see that out of the Bush administration.

You really have no case here.

As do these assholes involved in a lying smear campaign.

Hu


A couple of things, first democrats voted for the war, so shut the fuck up. Second what would you have done, nothing. Great plan, iraq would be run by hussein, terrorists would fuck wi th the us. The good thing about the wars, and there are some good thins, is that the terrorists know which party is sympathetic to them, it aint the republicans

Tell ya what Buckeye..anytime you think you can shut me up..step up..buckaroo. I live in Brooklyn..walk my dog in McCarren park every morning. And my ugly mug is posted in my profile.

Otherwise..

In any case..Democrats voting for war? Oh you mean after a terrorist attack? Oh you mean after they were fed a ton of crappy intel? Oh you mean after they were told either you are with us..or with the terrorists?

Yeah..many did vote for the authorization to use force..

So what..doesn't change that it wasn't illegal. And it doesn't change the FACT that the commander in chief could have opted NOT to use force.

And Iraq..had NOTHING..absolutely nothing...zip..nadda..

Nothing to do with 9/11. Bin Laden even referred to Saddam Hussein as an "infidel".