Single payer in Cali?

[Two Thumbs]

Why is it that other countries can make their healthcare work and we cant?

Since it does work here, that statement makes no sense.

 

[Provocateur]

Why is it EVERY time I start a thread about healthcare is just blocks me from the thread?

Maybe higher powers know that you are clueless on the truth of the matter.


It's probably best.

 

[Provocateur]

Just another reason to NEVER, EVER step foot in California, either as a visitor or a resident.

What a friggin joke.... One plan is going to meet the needs of EVERY individual? I'm sure that everyone will be paying the same amount in terms of premiums too, right? Government mandated healthcare doesn't work here in Massachusetts. It's not going to work in Vermont, California, or on a national level either

No, Many people will get it for free.

There's no way liberals are going to expect everyone to pay, so the working class will have to pay more so some don't have to.

I guess Medicare, Medicaid, and visits to the hospitals for illegals that make up a fake name is just not enough.

 

[DiamondDave]

Why is it EVERY time I start a thread about healthcare is just blocks me from the thread?

Bullshit and lie detecting software??

OK Ill try a differnt subject and see what happens

It a big time glitch and I hope they can fix it.

You lie and bullshit on every subject

 

[Two Thumbs]

When the nation is trying to cut spending and lower the debt, the great bastion of liberism wants to increase spending.

seriously

Ca is broke, they have missed writting pay checks and they want to increase spending into a system that is known to fail.



What the fuck is wrong with these people?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Can you guys access my Unspeakable thread?

is it gone ? locked ? moived?


It just dissapeared and every where ther is a link to it I just get the "your not allowed" message?

My account is way messed up somehow.

You may recall that you were warned yesterday not to start multiple threads on the same subject.

 

[Robert]

Why is it that other countries can make their healthcare work and we cant?

They can't which is why Canada the UK are going back and removing the Socialist form of Healthcare.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Just another reason to NEVER, EVER step foot in California, either as a visitor or a resident.

What a friggin joke.... One plan is going to meet the needs of EVERY individual? I'm sure that everyone will be paying the same amount in terms of premiums too, right? Government mandated healthcare doesn't work here in Massachusetts. It's not going to work in Vermont, California, or on a national level either

In one sense you're correct. The devil is in the details. That stated, what we have now doesn't work.

The only argument offered by the naysayers (in the link provided by TM's), is Leno's bill is socialism. Currently our medical system is based on capitalism, which means profit is the first order of business, not the patient.

 

[Wry Catcher]

When the nation is trying to cut spending and lower the debt, the great bastion of liberism wants to increase spending.

seriously

Ca is broke, they have missed writting pay checks and they want to increase spending into a system that is known to fail.



What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?
Please explain with some detail how you have concluded the plan in Leno's bill will increase spending?

 

[daveman]

When the nation is trying to cut spending and lower the debt, the great bastion of liberism wants to increase spending.

seriously

Ca is broke, they have missed writting pay checks and they want to increase spending into a system that is known to fail.



What the fuck is wrong with these people?

 

[daveman]

When the nation is trying to cut spending and lower the debt, the great bastion of liberism wants to increase spending.

seriously

Ca is broke, they have missed writting pay checks and they want to increase spending into a system that is known to fail.



What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?
Please explain with some detail how you have concluded the plan in Leno's bill will increase spending?

What are they going to pay for it with?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The only argument offered by the naysayers (in the link provided by TM's), is Leno's bill is socialism. Currently our medical system is based on capitalism, which means profit is the first order of business, not the patient.

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?
Please explain, Two Thumbs, with some detail how you have concluded the plan in Leno's bill will increase spending?

 

[Two Thumbs]

When the nation is trying to cut spending and lower the debt, the great bastion of liberism wants to increase spending.

seriously

Ca is broke, they have missed writting pay checks and they want to increase spending into a system that is known to fail.



What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?
Please explain with some detail how you have concluded the plan in Leno's bill will increase spending?

I can only point out history and what is currently going on.

Medicare goes over budget every year.

Romneycare requires federal fucnd (tax dollars] to keep from going under every year.

History tells me this will continue.

I do, however, hope that I am wrong. But, since the same people that get it wrong, time and again, are donig the same thing again....

 

[Truthmatters]

what do you see as a solution to these problems?

 

[Two Thumbs]

The only argument offered by the naysayers (in the link provided by TM's), is Leno's bill is socialism. Currently our medical system is based on capitalism, which means profit is the first order of business, not the patient.

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?
Please explain, Two Thumbs, with some detail how you have concluded the plan in Leno's bill will increase spending?

The link failed to get more information on the down side of this. That's why it list it as socilism only.

Tell me this then. Since most of the countries that use this system, to save money, are going under much faster than we are. Why should we copy a failed system?

 

[Anachronism]

The only argument offered by the naysayers (in the link provided by TM's), is Leno's bill is socialism. Currently our medical system is based on capitalism, which means profit is the first order of business, not the patient.

GOOD. All Business should be based on profit as the prime motivator. That's both common sense and basic business practice. What you people fail to recognize is that health care is NOT a right. It is a PRIVILEGE. It always has been and always will be. With increased income comes increased access to better medical care. With decreased income comes decreased access to medical care.

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?

Right now there are a lot of people who don't get ANY medical care because they cannot afford it. Under plans like this, those people will be getting that care, dramatically increasing the amount spent on these plans. On the other side, businesses and individuals who do not like a single-plan, single payer system will be LEAVING the state, reducing the amount of income the plan gets and forcing the State to put more money into the system. Pretty simple equation if you ask me.

 

[Skynet]

if you dont live in Cali why do you even care about this?

 

[daveman]

The only argument offered by the naysayers (in the link provided by TM's), is Leno's bill is socialism. Currently our medical system is based on capitalism, which means profit is the first order of business, not the patient.

I don't understand. How will a system which is not focused on profit, as is the medical care system in America today, more costly than one which is non profit?
Please explain, Two Thumbs, with some detail how you have concluded the plan in Leno's bill will increase spending?

What are they going to pay for it with?

 

[auditor0007]

CA's 25 billion dollars in the hole. Companies are leaving as fast as they can get packed up.

How the hell do those idiots think they're going to pay for this?

By removing most of the responsibility from employers to provide healthcare, it may well bring business back to California. The biggest problem in California though, is covering all the illegals. Remove them from the equation and costs would be reduced with any system of healthcare.

 

[daveman]

if you dont live in Cali why do you even care about this?

Because it's going to fail, and fail huge, and then CA will come begging and crying to Congress, and then the rest of us will have to pay for CA's liberal failure.