Since Obama care doesn't go into effect until 2013

[Mr.Fitnah]

If he is voted out can it be stopped at that point?

Here is the atrocity

Affordable Health Care for America Act | EdLabor Journal | Committee on Education and Labor

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

 

[Dr.Traveler]

It can be stopped at any time.

However, stopping it, if that is your goal, will be easier before it gets going. However, if the GOP does that without putting a different plan in place, chances are they'll get bounced out on their backsides in the very next election.

Right now, the GOP's best strategy is to look like they're fighting this, take the political windfall from fighting it, and then doing nothing and claiming victory when people start actually getting health care. Then you can blame any downsides on the Democrats, while claiming any up sides for themselves.

To make it simple: Once this is passed into law, the GOP won't have the balls to roll it back. And the Conservatives won't have the balls to call them on it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We will deem it unwound in 2012 when we win back Congress and the Presidency

 

[Foxfyre]

If he is voted out can it be stopped at that point?

Here is the atrocity

Affordable Health Care for America Act | EdLabor Journal | Committee on Education and Labor

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

It is rumored that there is some kind of clause in the Senate bill that prevents the House from overturning it later. I'm inclined to think that such a clause would be absolutely unconstitutional though.

More plausible are theories that they will pass a few things that will be popular that will kick in right away while the most onerous parts of the legislation won't happen for some time. That will make it more difficult for the GOP or conservatives to overturn in 2010 or 2012 because they would be seen as stopping what people like, and the people would have forgotten what was still coming.

It is highly unlikely that the GOP can achieve a large enough majority in 2010 to override a presidential veto.

My fear is how much damage can be done over the next two years that will be very difficult to correct later?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wait, we can deem it unwound in 2010, we can even deem it signed by President Biden

We're going to abort ObamaCare

 

[Foxfyre]

Wait, we can deem it unwound in 2010, we can even deem it signed by President Biden

We're going to abort ObamaCare

Whether deemed or by fiat or even by legitimate legislation, let's hope we can keep the people focused long enough to abort it.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Wait, we can deem it unwound in 2010, we can even deem it signed by President Biden

We're going to abort ObamaCare

Whether deemed or by fiat or even by legitimate legislation, let's hope we can keep the people focused long enough to abort it.

Hopefully now that people have woken up they won't go back to sleep . . . . ever.

 

[WillowTree]

If he is voted out can it be stopped at that point?

Here is the atrocity

Affordable Health Care for America Act | EdLabor Journal | Committee on Education and Labor

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

it will be challenged and go right to the Supreme Court. it will be a long long long long time before it is encacted. course the freaking tax hikes will go into effect immediately and that's make the messiaher smile.

 

[Terry]

If he is voted out can it be stopped at that point?

Here is the atrocity

Affordable Health Care for America Act | EdLabor Journal | Committee on Education and Labor

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

it will be challenged and go right to the Supreme Court. it will be a long long long long time before it is encacted. course the freaking tax hikes will go into effect immediately and that's make the messiaher smile.

Unless whoever files the suit gets a judge that will place an injunction. (is that the right word)? I'm not an attorney by any means but couldn't the court have this bill paused until it is ruled upon?

 

[Annie]

It can be stopped at any time.

However, stopping it, if that is your goal, will be easier before it gets going. However, if the GOP does that without putting a different plan in place, chances are they'll get bounced out on their backsides in the very next election.

Right now, the GOP's best strategy is to look like they're fighting this, take the political windfall from fighting it, and then doing nothing and claiming victory when people start actually getting health care. Then you can blame any downsides on the Democrats, while claiming any up sides for themselves.

To make it simple: Once this is passed into law, the GOP won't have the balls to roll it back. And the Conservatives won't have the balls to call them on it.

It's an entitlement, pure and simple. Another that is unsustainable and once enacted impossible to kill. Welcome to today's Greece, tomorrow.

 

[Foxfyre]

It can be stopped at any time.

However, stopping it, if that is your goal, will be easier before it gets going. However, if the GOP does that without putting a different plan in place, chances are they'll get bounced out on their backsides in the very next election.

Right now, the GOP's best strategy is to look like they're fighting this, take the political windfall from fighting it, and then doing nothing and claiming victory when people start actually getting health care. Then you can blame any downsides on the Democrats, while claiming any up sides for themselves.

To make it simple: Once this is passed into law, the GOP won't have the balls to roll it back. And the Conservatives won't have the balls to call them on it.

It's an entitlement, pure and simple. Another that is unsustainable and once enacted impossible to kill. Welcome to today's Greece, tomorrow.

There is another possible way out if Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are able to coerce, extort, bribe, threaten, or buy enough votes to get this thing passed.

More than 30 states have already taken iniitiatives to pass or initiate legislation to opt out of all federal mandates and/or are gearing up to challenge in court any mandate for their citizens to be required to buy insurance or anything else.

So......it's time to support and/or lean on your state legislatures too folks. If none of the 50 states or only a very few participate, that really can't hurt too bad.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I was under the impression bribery was illegal.