Since FACTS are considered CONSPIRACIES on this board, I'll put them here...

[strollingbones]

how can you prove a lie a falsehood to someone who refuses to listen? doesnt matter how much evidence is given to you....you refuse to listen

 

[strollingbones]

dels right....time to move on

 

[LA RAM FAN]

And that's your response to the FACTS?

What an absolute moron.

thats his childish posts he always has like so many others here when they cant counter facts.yeah its funny how here at this place that proven facts like the kennedy assassination and 9/11 being inside jobs are considered conspiracy theories around here. btw,you REALLY need to get over this Obama obsession thing.dont you have ANY other conspiracys you can talk about?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

how can you prove a lie a falsehood to someone who refuses to listen? doesnt matter how much evidence is given to you....you refuse to listen

funny,that describes YOU perfectly to the tee.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

If you lie to people long enough and loud enough, sooner or later they will start to believe it. I agree that Obama has a rather shakey past but I also believe he has met the qualifications to be the President. If he didn't, believe me, one of those unhappy Republicians in the House or the Senate would be waving the proof wildly on TV by now. Time to let this effort go by the wayside. Find something better to do with your time.

err wrong,the republicans and democrats "I mean the reprocrats and demopublicans,"sleep in bed together,theirs no difference between the two partys.Hence for why I refer to them as the demopublicans and reprocrats.Its all just a bunch of show and tell and acting pretending to hate each other when their all in on it together.If you ever bothered to take any political science courses you would know this like anybody does who has taken political science.

 

[PixieStix]

Sorry... I don't find pissing on our Constitution as hilarious as you do.

Neither do I. I find it maddening, that libs do all they can to ignore facts.

Proof that liberals have been with us for 1500 years

 

[Valerie]

Care, I hope you don't, but I'd just hate for all your hard work to go unnoticed.


>>

So lets PRETEND Obama was born in Kenya for a minute or two...


A BRIEF HISTORY OF

U.S. CITIZENSHIP LAW

AND AMERICANS OVERSEAS




1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.


"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".

Taking the first Act of congress regarding the children born to American citizens, Obama would be a citizen of the United States if he were born overseas. Obama's father had been a resident of the United States, as a Foreign US National on a visa, going to University here. SLAM DUNK, obama is a citizen even IF he were born overseas.



1795 Act of January 29, 1795. Section 3, 1 Stat. 414, 415. (Same general provisions as above).

no changes


1802 Act of April 14, 1802. Section 4, 2 Stat. 153, 144. (Same general provisions as above).

no changes


1855 Act of February 10, 1855. Section 1, 10 Stat. 604.
"All children heretofore born or hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose fathers were or may be at the time of their birth citizens thereof, are declared to be citizens of the United States; but the rights of citizenship shall not descend to children whose fathers never resided in the United States."

Ok, this says that any children born to American citizen fathers overseas are declared to be citizens at birth, but if the American citizen father had never lived in the united states then his citizenship would not descend to his child automatically at birth.....

So basically if the father was someone that was born to an american born citizen while overseas, which made them a citizen of the usa.... if the father had never been brought to live in the usa and had only lived overseas or in the country in where he was born overseas, then although he is a citizen of the usa, his child would NOT get this citizenship of the USA automatically.


1878 Section 1993, Revised Statutes of 1878. (Same general provisions as 1855 Act).

no effect on obama


1907 Act of March 2, 1907, Section 6, 34 Stat. 1228, 1229.

"That all children born outside the limits of the United States who are citizens thereof in accordance with the provisions of section nineteen hundred and ninety-three of the Revised Statutes of the United States and who continue to reside outside the United States shall, in order to receive the protection of this Government, be required upon reaching the age of eighteen years to record at an American consulate their intention to become residents and remain citizens of the United States and shall be further required to take the oath of allegiance to the United States upon attaining their majority."

This does not affect Obama's case because he lived in the USA for many years before the age of 18 plus his mother was an American Born citizen, not just a Natiuralized American citizen.


1934 Act of May 24, 1934, Section 1, 48 Stat. 797.

"Any child hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the time of birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States: but the rights of citizenship shall not descend to any such child unless the citizen father or citizen mother, as the case may be, has resided in the United States previous to the birth of such child. In cases where one of the parents is an alien, the right of citizenship shall not descend unless the child comes to the United States and resides therein for at least five years continuously immediately previous to his eighteenth birthday, and unless, within six months after the child's twenty-first birthday, he or she shall take an oath of allegiance to the United States of America as prescribed by the Bureau of Naturalization."

Obama right here, is declared to be a citizen of the United States if he had been born overseas.....because he lived in the united states immediately after birth IF he was born in kenya, and also for the 5 years prior to becoming 18.



1940 The Nationality Act of 1940, Section 201, 54 Stat. 1137.

Please NOTE! This act is called the NATIONALITY ACT, it refers to American citizens that were NATURALIZED citizens and NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZENS as Obama's mother was....

"Section 201. The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

"(g) A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, has had ten years' residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, at least five of which were after attaining the age of sixteen years, the other being an alien: Provided, That in order to retain such citizenship, the child must reside in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling five years between the ages of thirteen and twenty-one years: Provided further, That, if the child has not taken up a residence in the United States or its outlying possessions by the time he reaches the age of sixteen years, or if he resides abroad for such a time that it becomes impossible for him to complete the five years' residence in the United States or its outlying possessions before reaching the age of twenty-one years, his American citizenship shall thereupon cease.

(h) The foregoing provisions of subsection (g) concerning retention of citizenship shall apply to a child born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934."


***********************DING DING DING

Is this the Law that Pale and PI keep talking about as to why Obama is not a citizen if he were born overseas?

Well, let's review it together...as I have highlighted in the Law itself, this PERTAINS TO NATURALIZED CITIZENS, NOT AMERICAN BORN CITIZENS, because it specifically states that this woman has to have lived 5 years in the united states after the age of 16, the OTHER YEARS of HER LIFE BEING as an ALIEN.....an alien is a citizen from another country.

SO OBAMA'S mother would not be affected, nor would Obama by this provision.



1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).

Again, this particular Act pertains to those who have IMMIGRATED to the USA and have been NATURALIZED as citizens of the USA.

"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

This is where illegal aliens kids become citizens if born here, i think?

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

This again is for people that were not born citizens of the United States but became citizens of the united states after birth, naturalized citizens.

Obama's mother had resided in the united states her entire life, IF and a BIG IF obama was born in kenya, she was on vacation when she delivered obama, she did not reside in kenya, she was visiting this country, her residency and even her husband's legal residency was the United States legally for another 6 years after obama's birth.

(b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States at birth under paragraph (7) of subsection (a), shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless he shall come to the United States prior to attaining the age of twenty-three years and shall immediately following any such coming be continuously physically present in the United State(s) for at least five years: Provided, That such physical presence follows the attainment of the age of fourteen years and precedes the age of twenty-eight years.

(c) Subsection (b) shall apply to a person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934: Provided, however, That nothing contained in this subsection shall be construed to alter or affect the citizenship of any person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934, who, prior to the effective date of this Act, has taken up a residence in the United States before attaining the age of sixteen years, and thereafter, whether before or after the effective date of this Act, complies or shall comply with the residence requirements for retention of citizenship specified in subsections (g) and (h) of section 201 of the Nationality Act of 1940, as amended."

Outside of a couple of years overseas when a child, Obama has lived in the united states his entire life.

1956 Fee v. Dulles (236 F.2nd 855 (C.A. 7, 1956), (355 U.S. 61)). A child born abroad on or after May 24, 1934, who acquired U.S. citizenship through one citizen parent had to comply with certain conditions for establishing American residence in order to retain his American citizenship. In Fee v. Dulles, the lower courts upheld the original administrative position that a person who had not complied with the conditions prescribed by previous statutes had lost his citizenship and derived no benefit from the more generous retention provisions of the 1952 act. However, upon consideration of this issue when it reached the Supreme Court the Solicitor General confessed error, taking the position that a person who could comply with the terms of section 301 (b) and (c) would retain his American citizenship, even though he had not fulfilled similar provisions of the earlier statutes. The Supreme Court reversed the lower court, and thus adopted the view projected in the Solicitor General's confession of error.

Doesn't affect Obama's case


1956 The Act of March 16, 1956, (70 Stat. 50), provided as follows:
"That section 301 (a) (7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act shall be considered to have been and to be applicable to a child born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions after January 12, 1941, and before December 24, 1952, of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has served in the Armed Forces of the United States after December 31, 1946, and before December 24, 1952, and whose case does not come within the provisions of section 201 (g) or (i) of the Nationality Act of 1940".

Doesn't involve obama


1957 Act of September 11, 1957 (71 Stat. 644), provides as follows:
"Section 16. In the administration of section 301 (b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, absences from the United States of less than twelve months in the aggregate, during the period for which continuous physical presence in the United States is required, shall not be considered to break the continuity of such physical presence."

Doesn't affect obama

1961 Montana v. Kennedy (366 U.S. 308 (1961)). The court ruled that a child born abroad prior to May 24, 1934, to an American citizen mother did not acquire American citizenship at birth, since at that time citizenship at birth was transmitted only by a citizen father. Although subsequent legislation conferred upon American women the power to transmit citizenship to their children born abroad, such legislation was not retroactive and did not bestow citizenship on persons born before the enactment of such legislation.

See also: Wolf v Brownell (253 F.2nd 141 - (C.A. 9, 1958)-certiori denied (358 U.S. 859)). and D'Alessio v. Lehmann (289 F.2nd 371 - (C.A. 6, 1961)-certiori denied (368 U.S. 822)).

Doesn't affect obama

1964 Schneider v. Rusk (377 U.S. 163 (1964)). Mrs. Schneider, a German national by birth, acquired United States citizenship derivatively through her mother's naturalization in the United States. She came to the USA as a small child with her parents and remained there until she finished college. She then went abroad for graduate work, was engaged to a German national, married in Germany, and stayed in residence there. She declared that she had no intention of returning to the United States. In 1959, she was denied a passport by the State Department on the ground that she had lost her United States citizenship under the specific provisions of Paragraph 352 (a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. Paragraph 1484 (a)(1), by continuous residence for three years in a foreign state of which she was formerly a national. The Court, by a five-to-three vote, held the statute violation of Fifth Amendment due process because there was no like restriction against foreign residence by native-born citizens. The dissent (Mr. Justice Clark, joined by Justices Harlan and White) based its position on what it regarded as the long acceptance of expatriating naturalized citizens who voluntarily return to residence in their native lands; possible international complications; past decisions approving the power of Congress to enact statutes of that type; and the Constitution's distinctions between native-born and naturalized citizens.

doesn't affect Obama

1966 Act of November 6, 1966 (80 Stat. 1322), amended Section 301 (a) (7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 to read as follows:


"Section 301 (a) (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided*, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date.

no effect on obama

1967 Afroyim v. Rusk (387 U.S. 253 (1967)). Mr. Afroyim, a Polish national by birth, immigrated to the United States at age 19 and after 14 years in the USA acquired United States citizenship by naturalization. Twenty-four years later he went to Israel and voted in a political election there. In 1960, he was denied a passport by the State Department on the ground that he had lost his United States citizenship under the specific provisions of Section 349 (a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (8 U.S.C. Section 1481(a)(5), by his foreign voting. The Court, by a five-to-four vote, held that the Fourteenth Amendment's definition of citizenship was significant; that Congress has no "general" power, express or implied, to take away an American citizen's citizenship without his assent," (387 U.S. at 257); that Congress' power is to provide a uniform rule of naturalization and, when once exercised with respect to the individual, is exhausted, citing Mr. Chief Justice Marshall's well-known but not uncontroversial dictum in Osborn v. Bank of the United States (9 Wheat. 738, 827 (1824)); and that the "undeniable purpose" of the Fourteenth Amendment was to make the recently conferred "citizenship of Negroes permanent and secure" and "to put citizenship beyond the power of any government unit to destroy," (387 U.S. at 263). Perez v. Brownell (356 U.S. 44 (1958)), a five-to-four holding within the decade and precisely to the opposite effect, was overruled. In dissent (Mr. Justice Harlan, joined by Justices Clark, Stewart and White) took issue with the Court's claim of support in the legislative history, elucidated the Marshall dictum, and observed that the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment did not deprive Congress of the power to expatriate on permissible grounds consistent with "other relevant commands" of the Constitution. (387 U.S. at 292).

not concerning obama


1971 Rogers v. Bellei (401 U.S. 815 (1971)). Bellei challenged the constitutionality of Section 301 (b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which provided that one who acquires United States citizenship by virtue of having been born abroad to parents, one of whom is an American citizen, who has met certain residence requirements, shall lose his citizenship unless he resides in this country continuously for five years between the ages of 14 and 28. A three-judge District Court held the section unconstitutional, citing Afroyim v. Rusk and Schneider v. Rusk. The Supreme Court, in a five-to-four decision, held that Congress has the power to impose the condition subsequent of residence in the country on Bellei, who does not come within the Fourteenth Amendment's definition of citizens as those "born or naturalized in the United States", and its imposition is not unreasonable, arbitrary or unlawful. Justice Black filed a dissenting opinion in which Justices Douglas and Marshall joined. Justice Brennan filed a dissenting opinion in which Justice Douglas joined.

doesn't affect obama's case


1972 Act of October 27, 1972 (87 Stat. 1289), amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 by changing section 301 (b) to the new text below; by repealing Section 16 of the Act of September 11, 1957; and by adding the new section 301 (d) below.


"Section 301 (b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States under paragraph (7) of subsection (a) shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless (1) he shall come to the United States and be continuously physically present therein for a period of not less than two years between the ages of fourteen years and twenty-eight years; or (2) the alien parent is naturalized while the child is under the age of eighteen years and the child begins to reside permanently in the United States while under the age of eighteen years. In the administration of this subsection absences from the United States of less than sixty days in the aggregate during the period for which continuous physical presence in the United States is required shall not break the continuity of such physical presence."

AGAIN this amendment to 301b7 does not apply to obama, but it clearly shows what i have said earlier....the requirement to have spent 5 years after the ages of 14 and 16 in the laws earlier is regarding a naturalized citizen having a child overseas not a natural born citizen, which obama's mother was...

"Section 301 (d) Nothing contained in subsection (b) as amended, shall be construed to alter or affect the citizenship of any person who has come to the United States prior to the effective date of this subsection and who, whether before or after the effective date of this subsection, immediately following such coming complies or shall comply with the physical presence requirements for retention of citizenship specified in subsection (b) prior to its amendment and the repeal of section 16 of the Act of September 11, 1957."

doesn't affect obama


1978 Act of October 10, 1978 (92 Stat. 1046) repealed subsections (b), (c) and (d) of section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, effective as of October 10, 1978. It also struck out "(a)" after "Section 301" and redesignated paragraphs (1) through (7) as subsections (a) through (g) respectively.

no affect on obama


1980 Vance v. Terrazas: upheld the constitutionality of Section 349(c) of the INA. Under this provision, the party claiming that citizenship has been lost has the burden of proving such loss by a preponderance of the evidence. Moreover, a person who commits a statutory act of expatriation is presumed to have committed the act voluntarily, but the presumption may be overcome upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act was not performed voluntarily. The Court expressly rejected the contention that expatriation must be proved by clear and convincing evidence.


The Supreme Court reaffirmed and explained its holding in Afroyim v. Rusk that in order to find expatriation, "the trier of fact must...conclude that the citizen not only voluntarily committed the expatriating act prescribed in the statute, but also intended to relinquish his citizenship". The court declared that it would not be consistent with Afroyim "to treat the expatriating acts specified in the statute as the equivalent of or as conclusive evidence of the indispensable voluntary assent of the citizen". As the Court explained: "In the last analysis expatriation depends on the will of the citizen rather than on the will of Congress and its assessment of his conduct."

doesn't affect obama's case


1986 Act of November 14, 1986 (PL 99-653) amended section 301(g) (8 U.S.C. 1401(g)) by striking out "ten years, at least five" and inserting in lieu thereof "five years, at least two". This reduced the prior residence time in the United States necessary for a U.S. citizen married to an alien to be able to automatically transmit U.S. citizenship to a child born abroad from the former period of ten years, five of which after the age of 14, to five years, two of which after the age of fourteen years.


This act also: (a) amended Sec 340(d) of the code reducing the period of time after naturalization before a naturalized citizen can reside abroad from five years to one year; (b) amended section 349 of the code so that a child who obtained a foreign nationality upon the application of the parent before the child reached age 21 years, no longer has to return to the United States to establish permanent residence in the United States prior to age 25; (c) amends section 349 so that a U.S: citizen who is a national of a foreign country and who performs an expatriating act under the provisions of section 349 is no longer presumed to have acted "voluntarily" if the individual has resided in this foreign country more than ten years. This reinforces the importance of the individual's intent in performing such an act as a deliberate intent to lose U.S. citizenship, rather than a mere automatic presumption that such intent existed.

Again, this does not affect Obama because Obama's mother was a natural born citizen and not a naturalized citizen that had an alien citizenship elsewhere prior to becoming a citizen.

1994 The Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994 amended several sections of the Immigration and Nationality Act, and took effect on March 1, 1995.


Amended Section 322 permits children born overseas of a U.S. citizen parent to be eligible for a certificate of citizenship if either their U.S. citizen parent or a U.S. citizen grandparent had been physically present in the United States for at least five years, two of which after the age of 14, prior to the child's birth abroad. This provision also applies to a child adopted abroad.


Amended Section 301 (h) gives back U.S. citizenship to a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.


Amended Section 324 (d) (1) allows former U.S. citizens who lost their citizenship through failure to meet the former conditions of physical presence in the United States to retain their citizenship to regain their citizenship without having to file an application for naturalization.


The law also allows U.S. citizen parents to apply for U.S. citizenship from abroad for their foreign-born children under the age of 18, provided the child is physically present in the United States pursuant to a lawful admission when the citizenship is granted.


1998 In Miller vs Albright (decided April 22, 1998), the Supreme Court in a 6:3 decision held that it was constitutional for Section 309 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. Section 1409) to give U.S. citizen mothers more rights to transmit U.S. citizenship to a child born out of wedlock abroad than to U.S. citizen fathers. There were three separate opinions on the majority side and two opinions on the dissenting side.

none of this affects obama

so, as Pale has continually said, let's see you REFUTE THIS!


* * * * *

 

[007]

how can you prove a lie a falsehood to someone who refuses to listen? doesnt matter how much evidence is given to you....you refuse to listen

Ppphht.... ROFLMFAO!!!!!!.....

THEN WHY DON'T YOU POST SOME?

 

[007]

Care, I hope you don't, but I'd just hate for all your hard work to go unnoticed.

Well, although you posted a dazzlingly large post, much of your interpretations of it are sketchy or outdated. I'll help you out with the current law...

Below are US Constitution, Amendments and court cases that relate to the citizenship requirements for president from Wikipedia:

US constitutional definition
The United States Constitution does not define the term “natural born citizen”; however, it does confer on Congress the power: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.”

That point should be paramount in everyone's mind, since the USSC has refused to hear the case of obama's legal citizenship, even though they DID hold hearings on John McCain. Why is the USSC ducking this issue?

Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

US case law

Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. “We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.”

Now the two points you DIDN'T address, as all others here seem incapable of also, is the fact that no matter what the law is, obama has NEVER presented a legitimate, long form, birth certificate. So matter how deep you debate the law, it's a moot point UNTIL we see obama's real birth certificate. So why is he spending millions keeping it hidden? The other point is obama spent much of his childhood in Indonesia going to school as a muslim under the name Barry Soetoro. He was adopted by his oriental step father who was NOT an American citizen, thus would give him DUAL citizenship, thus rendering him INELIGIBLE to hold the office of President.

Now I appreciate your immense post, and I have responded as requested. Now I wonder if you would be so good as to disprove any of what "I" have posted in this thread.

 

[HUGGY]

And that's your response to the FACTS?

What an absolute moron.

OK lets just set aside the "fact" that I think you need to be on some kind of medication and therapy.

What is your point? Are you gonna run this bullshit true or not forever?

OK lets just say that Barack was really born in Keyna. You sayin he was in on the switch?

My point is what is your end game? the payoff? Do you think that if someone with enough authority to make a call on it like the supreme court ..would throw Obamma out?

Even though I voted for Bush in his first term I believe he was given an election he lost by the supreme court. At some point in time you should consider that Obamma is our president and you should support him.

 

[Care4all]

JUST THE FAUXACTS​

The documents that we found when conducting our research into Barack Obama Jr.'s citizenship are displayed on this page. This is what we know about Barack Obama Jr.'s parents and his citizenship.

Barack Obama Jr. aka Barack H. Obama Jr. aka Barry Soetoro aka Barack Soetoro aka Barry Dunham aka Barry Obama aka Barack Hussein Obama

Barack Obama Jr.'s mother is Stanley Ann Dunham, aka Ann Dunham, aka Stanley Ann Obama aka Ann Obama, aka Stanley Ann Soetoro, aka Ann Soetoro.

Barack Obama Jr. was born to Barack Obama Sr., a citizen of Kenya and Stanley Ann Dunham, a citizen of the U.S.

Obama senior was also a US National at the time of Obama's birth.

Barack Obama Jr.'s mother, Ann Dunham, divorced Barack Obama Jr's father in or about 1963 when Barack Obama Jr was two years old.

Then Barack Obama Jr.'s mother, Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Barack H. Obama, Jr. et al. as his son and/or adopted him.

When did she marry Lolo Soetoro? you did not put the date? did she marry him in the United States and also was Lolo a Us National? And didn't Obama leave her in indonesia after just a few years and returned to the USA to live with his grandmother?

While Ann Dunham (Soetoro) aka Stanley Ann Soetoro was married to Lolo Soertoro, Barack Obama Jr. was enrolled in the public school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.

so? What does this have to do with Obama's citizenship? The Supreme Court has ruled that ones citizenship can NOT EVER BE TAKEN AWAY, without a COURT hearing and/or one relinquishing it, unless for Treason...

On August 20, 1980, Stanley Ann Soetoro, initiated divorce proceedings from Lolo Soetoro in Honolulu, HI. click here to view court docket

ok

When asked, Barack H. Obama, Jr., et al claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii however, claims to have been born in two (2) separate hospitals.

This is simply not true, from all that I have seen, OBAMA did not say he was born in 2 different hospitals, the PRESS and OTHERS reported he was born in 2 separate hospitals...

According to Barack H. Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and she was present during his birth.

Other than this RUMOR that you and others keep repeating, we have been shown NO PROOF that this even took place, NONE....but i would be happy to see it now if you do have definitive proof of her saying such... , hearsay does not count.

The Kenyan Government, claim they have the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and the birth delivery records of Ann Obama, from Barack H. Obama, Jr.'s birth in Mombosa, Kenya, however, they have sealed the birth records of Barack H. Obama, et al, birth in Mombosa, Kenya and labeled them top secret as a result of the presidential election.

Please, by all means, show us all where the KENYAN GVT, "claim they have the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr and the birth delivery records of Ann Obama, from Barack H. Obama, jr's birth in Mombosa, Kenya"...hearsay, does not count.

The questions are, "where was Barack Obama Jr. born"? Is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro still an Indonesian Citizen? What is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro's legal name?

He can't be a citizen of Indonesia, because he couldn't give up his American citizenship without a court hearing in the United States, READ OUR LAWS.

02/18/08: Star Bulletin News Article Obama backers stress importance of caucuses, page 2, "He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children"

11/04: The Rainbow Edition, Volume 2, Issue 3, Education Laboratory School, page 2, "Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii"

Like I said, Obama did NOT give 2 different places for his birth....other people mistakenly did....and easily confusable because Kapio Lani was QUEEN, Kapio Lani.

10/2008: Interview with Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.'s Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Obama during a taped interview at her home in Kenya was adamant "Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and I was present during his birth."

OH MY DEAR GOD...did you even listen to the tape? UNFRICKING BELIEVABLE PALE....ON this tape, Obama's Kenyan grandmother INSISTED OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, while the interviewer, this supposed Reverand on the phone KEPT TRYING TO GET HIS GRANDMOTHER TO CHANGE HER MIND....
what a crock of poopie, Pale! So I have no idea, what you have listened to that shows his kenyan grandmother saying he was born there, she said he was born in hawaii...that was when i stopped listening to that lying piece of crap Reverend.

PLEASE, EVERYONE ON THE USMB BOARD, LISTEN TO THIS TAPE!!!! PLEASE!!! You only need to make it to the halfway point, for Obama's grandmother to say he was born in Hawaii, while the Reverend continues to bait her with him being born in Kenya.

10/30/08: Affidavit of Reverend Kweli Shuhubia, "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was born in Mombosa Kenya" "Kenyan Officials with the Provincial Civil Registrar stated there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa , Kenya on August 4, 1961 and confirmed the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret."

Where is the link to this affidavit????? just SOME tangible PROOF please, so one can discern on their own the supposed evidence of such, pretty please!

10/27/08: Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae, "US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii"

First off, for presidential office, NO RELIGIOUS TEST is to be put upon the eligibility of such according to our constitution. That means it is none of our business or congress's business what religion he is when it comes to his eligibility to become president.

And this Reverend/Bishop gave an affidavit that he HEARD through the rumor mill that obama was born in Kenya, the rumor that he and others started himself, I might add.

01/01/68: Indonesian School Record, "Name of School: Fransiskus Assisi School, Name: Barry Soetoro, Citizenship: Indonesian, Name of Parent: Lolo Soetoro, M.A. The school records indicate that Barack Obama Jr. aka Barry Soetoro attended first grade in Indonesia and that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii on 08/04/1961 and his father is Lolo Soetoro.

OH MY MY MY!!!

the very record that you try to take Obama's citizenship away from him due to registering at a school in Indonesia, is the very record that shows OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII!

So, I suppose Obama's mother and step father had to show his original birth certificate for the school to record his place of birth as honolulu, Hawaii, no???!!!!

Citizenship can not be taken away without a hearing in the United States.


PALE, PLEASE ADDRESS my answers, I have addressed every single one of your concern in every post you have made on this that I have seen, and you NEVER respond to my responses to YOU, REFUTING my answers.

ALSO, because Obama's mother was a Natural Born Citizen and her husband was a USA National, living here in the United States,

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EVEN IF OBAMA were born in Kenya, Obama was born a citizen of the United States, a natural Born Citizen according to our Law.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/general-discussion/81295-usa-citizenship-laws-history-vs-obama.html

Care

 

[Uknow_me72]

You know all this is so they can microchip babies at birth so this won't be an issue in the future because the chip will say so.

ONCE AGAIN THE RETARDS forget where all this is going.

Why haven't you figured out yet, they make everything a problem they want to change, this is how they get the conservatives on board and dumb people to follow.

The other stories that you can relate along this line are the headlines of the SSN cracks that apparently people been cracking for ages and the internet attacks by "N Korea" and all the various child kid nappings that you seen that blonde latey on cnn talk about every day. Look.

They make everything a problem they want to change.

I have said this time and time again. It is not the subject itself, it's why is the subject being presented. You guys are forgetting to do your investigative thinking.

The information system is going to change and all this is brought to light so you see a need to change it and give your approval.

If you wonder why I call you retards it's because its apparent that you do not think or consider any other option or even ever take a look at the big picture you just rather call someone else a dumb shit and defend your own view instead of look outside and all the bull shit that is happening. You all know that something ain't right.

Let me throw magic at you.
The people that are comming up with these stories are highered social engineers(magicians), they are the magicians that cast a spell upon you mind and creates an illusion. They are psycologist that have a job to achieve a certain paradigm shift to people that watch their show. They want your thoughts to align with theirs.

Maybe that will explain the news to you. I've really done all I can to make you people look at the fact and the emprical evidence you have for yourselves.

Your evidence is all around you with the TV, Work, the crappy food, the trendy music, the fat people, the lazy people, the mindless drones that work a 40 year and die. Look all around you people.

We are telling you that you are being jacked around, but you can't look past your computer monitor to pay attention. Survival of the fittest is a universal law and it does apply here and I'm real nervous for you because if you can't think for yourselves, you have already lost.

You do not want to take responsiblity for yourself and your actions and blantly speaking out of your ass if not more so then some of the theorist. So you rather be a wet blanket and take your perscription drugs and watch the news, bitch and complain but never take a step outside the door to make the world a better place. Your common response, not my fault I'm a garbage man(or choice of occupation here) how can I make a difference. You are a plague that have been ravaging and raving for years and you want to past that on to the next generation? Who will be in charge of the world when your kids, grand kids, are here? You want them to have to live in a place more polluted and highly censored and robotic?

Your future that you are creating right now by doing nothing.

If anything we need to stop fighting about our differences and need to focus on our similarities because that is what makes us alike and that is what matters. Your differences make you, you and no one wants to change that, but we do want you to realize we all want the samething but your conservative christian shell that you are living in won't let you. I did say christian. I meant it. You can deny it but the paradigm from the early BC is still alive today. It is that one that says I can only have 1 spouse or girl/boyfriend at a time and no sex before marrage, oh not forget that the christian paradigm said to get married as well.

This is how mindless stupid people walking around are, they have no idea where their rules come from they just follow them. BUT IM A PAGAN OR AETHIEST, lol /slap gtfo

I am very objective to the behavior of these people that come in like they know something or better then another because they 'think' the world is going in the right direction when really all they are doing is passing time by. My statements are not directed at anyone specific but as a broad generalization and should be considered as my perspective. IMO.

 

[Modbert]

JUST THE FACTS​

I am a attention whore

I hate Obama

I REALLY hate Obama

I REALLY am a attention whore

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mBTAqXU0FI&feature=related]YouTube - Lesley Gore - It's My Party[/ame]

 

[eots]

JUST THE FACTS​

The documents that we found when conducting our research into Barack Obama Jr.'s citizenship are displayed on this page. This is what we know about Barack Obama Jr.'s parents and his citizenship.


Barack Obama Jr. aka Barack H. Obama Jr. aka Barry Soetoro aka Barack Soetoro aka Barry Dunham aka Barry Obama aka Barack Hussein Obama

Barack Obama Jr.'s mother is Stanley Ann Dunham, aka Ann Dunham, aka Stanley Ann Obama aka Ann Obama, aka Stanley Ann Soetoro, aka Ann Soetoro.

Barack Obama Jr. was born to Barack Obama Sr., a citizen of Kenya and Stanley Ann Dunham, a citizen of the U.S.

Barack Obama Jr.'s mother, Ann Dunham, divorced Barack Obama Jr's father in or about 1963 when Barack Obama Jr was two years old.

Then Barack Obama Jr.'s mother, Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Barack H. Obama, Jr. et al. as his son and/or adopted him.

While Ann Dunham (Soetoro) aka Stanley Ann Soetoro was married to Lolo Soertoro, Barack Obama Jr. was enrolled in the public school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.

On August 20, 1980, Stanley Ann Soetoro, initiated divorce proceedings from Lolo Soetoro in Honolulu, HI. click here to view court docket

When asked, Barack H. Obama, Jr., et al claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii however, claims to have been born in two (2) separate hospitals. According to Barack H. Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and she was present during his birth. The Kenyan Government, claim they have the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and the birth delivery records of Ann Obama, from Barack H. Obama, Jr.'s birth in Mombosa, Kenya, however, they have sealed the birth records of Barack H. Obama, et al, birth in Mombosa, Kenya and labeled them top secret as a result of the presidential election.

The questions are, "where was Barack Obama Jr. born"? Is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro still an Indonesian Citizen? What is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro's legal name?

02/18/08: Star Bulletin News Article Obama backers stress importance of caucuses, page 2, "He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children"

11/04: The Rainbow Edition, Volume 2, Issue 3, Education Laboratory School, page 2, "Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii"

10/2008: Interview with Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.'s Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Obama during a taped interview at her home in Kenya was adamant "Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and I was present during his birth."

10/30/08: Affidavit of Reverend Kweli Shuhubia, "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was born in Mombosa Kenya" "Kenyan Officials with the Provincial Civil Registrar stated there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa , Kenya on August 4, 1961 and confirmed the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret."

10/27/08: Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae, "US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii"

01/01/68: Indonesian School Record, "Name of School: Fransiskus Assisi School, Name: Barry Soetoro, Citizenship: Indonesian, Name of Parent: Lolo Soetoro, M.A. The school records indicate that Barack Obama Jr. aka Barry Soetoro attended first grade in Indonesia and that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii on 08/04/1961 and his father is Lolo Soetoro.

obamacrimes - Home Page

you have stuck just one toe down the rabbit hole..welcome to the controlled media and the programed responses of the masses..no amount of facts will matter all you will get is jokes silly pictures and strawmen...and any attempts at legal action in this country full of frivolous lawsuits will be denied..as it is with questions surrounding 9/11...but as i recall you where one of those...the rabbit hole runs much deeper than the Obama...perhaps in this light you will find the insight and courage to go a little deeper and reexamine some other facts like these

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

whos lying pale...the government or the first responders...a basic and simple question one would think...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcqf5tL887o]YouTube - John Gross denies existance of molten metal[/ame]

 

[Care4all]

JUST THE FACTS​

The documents that we found when conducting our research into Barack Obama Jr.'s citizenship are displayed on this page. This is what we know about Barack Obama Jr.'s parents and his citizenship.


Barack Obama Jr. aka Barack H. Obama Jr. aka Barry Soetoro aka Barack Soetoro aka Barry Dunham aka Barry Obama aka Barack Hussein Obama

Barack Obama Jr.'s mother is Stanley Ann Dunham, aka Ann Dunham, aka Stanley Ann Obama aka Ann Obama, aka Stanley Ann Soetoro, aka Ann Soetoro.

Barack Obama Jr. was born to Barack Obama Sr., a citizen of Kenya and Stanley Ann Dunham, a citizen of the U.S.

Barack Obama Jr.'s mother, Ann Dunham, divorced Barack Obama Jr's father in or about 1963 when Barack Obama Jr was two years old.

Then Barack Obama Jr.'s mother, Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Barack H. Obama, Jr. et al. as his son and/or adopted him.

While Ann Dunham (Soetoro) aka Stanley Ann Soetoro was married to Lolo Soertoro, Barack Obama Jr. was enrolled in the public school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.

On August 20, 1980, Stanley Ann Soetoro, initiated divorce proceedings from Lolo Soetoro in Honolulu, HI. click here to view court docket

When asked, Barack H. Obama, Jr., et al claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii however, claims to have been born in two (2) separate hospitals. According to Barack H. Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and she was present during his birth. The Kenyan Government, claim they have the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and the birth delivery records of Ann Obama, from Barack H. Obama, Jr.'s birth in Mombosa, Kenya, however, they have sealed the birth records of Barack H. Obama, et al, birth in Mombosa, Kenya and labeled them top secret as a result of the presidential election.

The questions are, "where was Barack Obama Jr. born"? Is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro still an Indonesian Citizen? What is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro's legal name?

02/18/08: Star Bulletin News Article Obama backers stress importance of caucuses, page 2, "He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children"

11/04: The Rainbow Edition, Volume 2, Issue 3, Education Laboratory School, page 2, "Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii"

10/2008: Interview with Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.'s Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Obama during a taped interview at her home in Kenya was adamant "Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and I was present during his birth."

10/30/08: Affidavit of Reverend Kweli Shuhubia, "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was born in Mombosa Kenya" "Kenyan Officials with the Provincial Civil Registrar stated there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa , Kenya on August 4, 1961 and confirmed the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret."

10/27/08: Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae, "US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii"

01/01/68: Indonesian School Record, "Name of School: Fransiskus Assisi School, Name: Barry Soetoro, Citizenship: Indonesian, Name of Parent: Lolo Soetoro, M.A. The school records indicate that Barack Obama Jr. aka Barry Soetoro attended first grade in Indonesia and that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii on 08/04/1961 and his father is Lolo Soetoro.

obamacrimes - Home Page

you have stuck just one toe down the rabbit hole..welcome to the controlled media and the programed responses of the masses..no amount of facts will matter all you will get is jokes silly pictures and strawmen...and any attempts at legal action in this country full of frivolous lawsuits will be denied..as it is with questions surrounding 9/11...but as i recall you where one of those...the rabbit hole runs much deeper than the Obama...perhaps in this light you will find the insight and courage to go a little deeper and reexamine some other facts like these

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

whos lying pale...the government or the first responders...a basic and simple question one would think...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcqf5tL887o]YouTube - John Gross denies existance of molten metal[/ame]

what a crock of CRAPPOLA Eots....I answered every single point he made....it is HIM that will not answer those who took the hours in research, to answer him!

maybe he needs to run my responses by Berg first, i dunno? How about you refuting any of my points or this....?http://www.usmessageboard.com/gener...enship-laws-history-vs-obama.html#post1328538


care

 

[Uknow_me72]

Yes please spend more time wasting your time reading countless books and articles, please waste your time debating fact vs fiction when all you have to go by is what was written. You are taking other peoples word vs other peoples word. Look at it for what it really is.

Look book worms and data fanatics. It's just as easy to "make up" a story and have it mass printed as fact, just as easy as it is to have it printed up as fiction.

The mason are known for these same tactics, "if you want to know more about the masons go to the library and you can kind almost everything there in books." - LOL

It's something that throws you off the subject like any of those books will give you a piece of mind. No they will just give you the general outline and idea, no technology revealed, nothing ever said but just a mystery. They just rather you waste time looking for nothing instead of talking to them.

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[Care4all]

Yes please spend more time wasting your time reading countless books and articles, please waste your time debating fact vs fiction when all you have to go by is what was written. You are taking other peoples word vs other peoples word. Look at it for what it really is.

Look book worms and data fanatics. It's just as easy to "make up" a story and have it mass printed as fact, just as easy as it is to have it printed up as fiction.

The mason are known for these same tactics, "if you want to know more about the masons go to the library and you can kind almost everything there in books." - LOL

It's something that throws you off the subject like any of those books will give you a piece of mind. No they will just give you the general outline and idea, no technology revealed, nothing ever said but just a mystery. They just rather you waste time looking for nothing instead of talking to them.

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could be, i have often wondered why frivolous things like this, stay alive for so long....?