Simple question to gun advocates

[2aguy]

I said multiple times yesterday bump stocks should 100% absolutely be banned!! I have a BIG problem with a device intended to do an end run around current law and getting away with it on a technicality. Second, bump stocks only make it that much easier for the gun control lobby to attack us its freaking stupid.

I suspect the meat puppet administration knew someone would take one of those stupid things and create carnage. As soon as I saw them I figured someone would try and hold up a bank with one, get into a gunfight with police and have bed wetters howling to have semi autos banned again.

The 86 ban is bullshit. If you can get an NFA classed weapon, you should be able to buy an M4A1. No law either on the books or in moonbat fantasies could have prevented Vegas. The only thing that could have ended it sooner was a sniper on another roof. I'm sure police depts around the country are working on that.

Yes....they got caught trying to get guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels with Fast and Furious...it is no doubt they hoped a Vegas incident would happen so they could push gun control.

 

[Papageorgio]

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

You seem to avoid facts also. The UK murder rate rose after the gun restrictions while the US declined and continued to decline.

 

[Papageorgio]

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

Yes, criminals in the UK are less likely to worry about such things. But UK crime isn't higher than US crime.

Do you see a great deal more personal freedom in the US? Really?

Are you making an argument or just writing stuff down and hoping someone bites? Seems like the latter.

You can't prove any of the stuff you're saying, and you probably believe it because you read it in some gun mag.

And you are wrong....Britain is more violent than the U.S., they banned guns....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Facts are facts, it seems the left loves denial.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Okay, so let's just create a law to stop all outdoor concerts. Let's have body searches and X-ray machines in all hotel facilities. Maybe even have a curfew in Vegas. No more walking around to casinos after dark. Casinos can only stay open for their hotel guests, and locked doors at that.

Outside of Vegas, shut down all professional sports arenas that are near any kind of high rise buildings. We hosted the NY Yankees this evening in the playoffs; should have never happened since our stadium is surrounded by tall buildings.

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

Since criminals in the UK they are more free from worry that their victims might be armed they might just as well use knives or hammers etc.
In the US you may see "gun use everywhere". You also will see a great deal more personal freedom. Make mine freedom any day.

Yes, criminals in the UK are less likely to worry about such things. But UK crime isn't higher than US crime.

Do you see a great deal more personal freedom in the US? Really?

Are you making an argument or just writing stuff down and hoping someone bites? Seems like the latter.

You can't prove any of the stuff you're saying, and you probably believe it because you read it in some gun mag.

Actually retard violent crime is a MAJOR lot higher in UK then anywhere else.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Up to 40% of guns used in crimes, including murder, came from private gun sales which remain largely unregulated. The often mislabeled "gun show loophole"

That depends... for example, here in MA private sales are still required to fill out the State firearms transfer paperwork and mail it to the Criminal History Records Bureau in Boston. The CHRB is supposed to review the paperwork and do the background check. Except THEY DON'T DO IT. They claim to be too overloaded with permit applications to do the transfer checks.

You left this out of my post.

In florida you can buy a gun without a government photo ID. But you can't vote without one.

MA also has an income tax while FL doesn't. Crooks don't buy guns in MA, but they can in FL.

Bullshit. I could get a gun v(up to and including a fully-operable machine gun) on my lunch break in MA...no ID needed, just some cash.

Prove it.

Sorry, no interest in committing multiple felonies. (I said I could get one...I never said LEGALLY.)

 

[task0778]

I'm good with banning automatic weapons and these gun stock modification things or anything else that turns a semi-auto into an auto fire weapon. I don't buy the argument that supporting that ban means a slippery slope is created that leads to further restrictions or gun control.

BUT - let's not pretend that any such law means the end of shootings such as the Las Vegas tragedy or other mass murders that have occurred in schools and churches. People will find a way to kill, if not with a modified rifle then with a bomb or a car or truck or whatever. Dollars to donuts somebody will find a new way or a new weapon that fires bullets with one press of the trigger. Whether it's legal or not won't matter to somebody intent on mass murder.

 

[2aguy]

I'm good with banning automatic weapons and these gun stock modification things or anything else that turns a semi-auto into an auto fire weapon. I don't buy the argument that supporting that ban means a slippery slope is created that leads to further restrictions or gun control.

BUT - let's not pretend that any such law means the end of shootings such as the Las Vegas tragedy or other mass murders that have occurred in schools and churches. People will find a way to kill, if not with a modified rifle then with a bomb or a car or truck or whatever. Dollars to donuts somebody will find a new way or a new weapon that fires bullets with one press of the trigger. Whether it's legal or not won't matter to somebody intent on mass murder.

We have to make a stand on semi auto rifles of all kinds.....standard magazines.....bullet calibers.....and silencers.....they don't get any of those....ever. The bump stock, that isn't a big deal...the others are the line we don't let them cross.

Time to call your spineless republicans and tell them no semi auto ban, no magazine limit, we want silencers and national reciprocity......

 

[frigidweirdo]

All this just so people can have guns huh? Seems guns are more important than any other kind of liberty.

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

I love how you make things up just so you can argue with yourself. Where did I say blacks and Hispanics were not Americans?

I don't make up statistics. Tell me which one you're interested in, and I'll post it if I have it, or find it and post it. And BTW, not all blacks live in poverty either.

Puerto Ricans? We have a pretty good population of them up here, and they are virtually trouble free. Very seldom do you ever read about a story of violence involving either a PR from the island or born in the states. Most of the ones I work with are hard working people and very good people. I've been in many of their homes, and they are spotless. Very clean people.

You didn't. What you did say was "if you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, out crime rate would be considerably close to the UK"

These implies that if you disassociate the US with blacks and Hispanics, then everything would be find and dandy. And what I said was "aren't really Americans" not "aren't Americans" which is completely different.

How about the statistic that no one in the UK has guns Ray. You tell me about that one.

No, not all blacks live in poverty. It's about 25% blacks to 7% whites.

Okay, so Puerto Ricans, Hispanics, aren't that violent where you are. But you did say if you took out the Hispanics and blacks, everything would be fine and dandy, didn't you?

 

[2aguy]

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

I love how you make things up just so you can argue with yourself. Where did I say blacks and Hispanics were not Americans?

I don't make up statistics. Tell me which one you're interested in, and I'll post it if I have it, or find it and post it. And BTW, not all blacks live in poverty either.

Puerto Ricans? We have a pretty good population of them up here, and they are virtually trouble free. Very seldom do you ever read about a story of violence involving either a PR from the island or born in the states. Most of the ones I work with are hard working people and very good people. I've been in many of their homes, and they are spotless. Very clean people.

You didn't. What you did say was "if you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, out crime rate would be considerably close to the UK"

These implies that if you disassociate the US with blacks and Hispanics, then everything would be find and dandy. And what I said was "aren't really Americans" not "aren't Americans" which is completely different.

How about the statistic that no one in the UK has guns Ray. You tell me about that one.

No, not all blacks live in poverty. It's about 25% blacks to 7% whites.

Okay, so Puerto Ricans, Hispanics, aren't that violent where you are. But you did say if you took out the Hispanics and blacks, everything would be fine and dandy, didn't you?

No....criminals have guns...and every year they are using them more and more.....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, I didn't say so everybody can have guns. Criminals are going to have guns even if we made it a death penalty crime. You can't change that, the Democrats can't change that, no law in the world can change that. I don't know how this is so difficult for the left to understand.

And here is the question that keeps being asked: what law would have prevented this kook from doing what he did or worse? If you can tell me what that law is, I'll support such a law.

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

I love how you make things up just so you can argue with yourself. Where did I say blacks and Hispanics were not Americans?

I don't make up statistics. Tell me which one you're interested in, and I'll post it if I have it, or find it and post it. And BTW, not all blacks live in poverty either.

Puerto Ricans? We have a pretty good population of them up here, and they are virtually trouble free. Very seldom do you ever read about a story of violence involving either a PR from the island or born in the states. Most of the ones I work with are hard working people and very good people. I've been in many of their homes, and they are spotless. Very clean people.

You didn't. What you did say was "if you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, out crime rate would be considerably close to the UK"

These implies that if you disassociate the US with blacks and Hispanics, then everything would be find and dandy. And what I said was "aren't really Americans" not "aren't Americans" which is completely different.

How about the statistic that no one in the UK has guns Ray. You tell me about that one.

No, not all blacks live in poverty. It's about 25% blacks to 7% whites.

Okay, so Puerto Ricans, Hispanics, aren't that violent where you are. But you did say if you took out the Hispanics and blacks, everything would be fine and dandy, didn't you?

Yes I did, but we don't have a lot of Mexicans or Cubans up here either. And yes, if you extract the black and Hispanic crime rate from whites, you would have very similar statistics to that of Europe in spite of our firearm ownership.

The point I'm trying to make is that guns are not the problem--people are the problem. Guns are merely the tool used by those people to commit these crimes. If you take away the ability for victims to defend themselves using firearms, then you would have armed criminals and disarmed victims. How could that solve anything? It would only make things worse.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm good with banning automatic weapons and these gun stock modification things or anything else that turns a semi-auto into an auto fire weapon. I don't buy the argument that supporting that ban means a slippery slope is created that leads to further restrictions or gun control.

BUT - let's not pretend that any such law means the end of shootings such as the Las Vegas tragedy or other mass murders that have occurred in schools and churches. People will find a way to kill, if not with a modified rifle then with a bomb or a car or truck or whatever. Dollars to donuts somebody will find a new way or a new weapon that fires bullets with one press of the trigger. Whether it's legal or not won't matter to somebody intent on mass murder.

When confronted with the question of what kind of law could have prevented Vegas, the talking head say "Do something, anything!" In other words, they could not tell us of a law or restriction that could have stopped this.

So why do something....anything even if it can't prevent the same thing from happening again? Because doing something that inches towards gun control is what they want, even if it would produce no results.

 

[Markle]

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

You just won't read this, will you? Must be that like Geobbles, you just intend to keep lying until someone believes you.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.


Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

 

[frigidweirdo]

Look at the UK. Some criminals have guns, but do you see gun use everywhere? No, why?

I thought nobody had guns in the UK.

Of course when you consider that you can get 14 years in prison for having an illegal gun in the UK compared to our "less than a year" in prison, that might be a reason. In areas where prison population is a factor, some just get house arrest.

Remember that we are a very diverse country. If you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, our crime rate would be considerably close to the UK.

So no, it's not the amount of guns we have.

Yes, well here's where doing your research comes in handy Ray. Thinking things because people in gun magazines told you so, is hardly the way of gaining knowledge, is it?

The UK is also a diverse country Ray. You don't think everyone is just white, do you?

Yes, if you took the people in poverty out of the equation, then the US murder rate would drop, but so too would the UK murder rate. D'oh.

You can try and pretend that people in Puerto Rico, or blacks, or Hispanics aren't really Americans Ray, but they are. You can't take those figures away, they're part of the country. They're part of the problems people like you refuse to recognize because you simply can't be bothered and because you make statistics up and start believing them.

I love how you make things up just so you can argue with yourself. Where did I say blacks and Hispanics were not Americans?

I don't make up statistics. Tell me which one you're interested in, and I'll post it if I have it, or find it and post it. And BTW, not all blacks live in poverty either.

Puerto Ricans? We have a pretty good population of them up here, and they are virtually trouble free. Very seldom do you ever read about a story of violence involving either a PR from the island or born in the states. Most of the ones I work with are hard working people and very good people. I've been in many of their homes, and they are spotless. Very clean people.

You didn't. What you did say was "if you take blacks and Hispanics out of the mix, out crime rate would be considerably close to the UK"

These implies that if you disassociate the US with blacks and Hispanics, then everything would be find and dandy. And what I said was "aren't really Americans" not "aren't Americans" which is completely different.

How about the statistic that no one in the UK has guns Ray. You tell me about that one.

No, not all blacks live in poverty. It's about 25% blacks to 7% whites.

Okay, so Puerto Ricans, Hispanics, aren't that violent where you are. But you did say if you took out the Hispanics and blacks, everything would be fine and dandy, didn't you?

Yes I did, but we don't have a lot of Mexicans or Cubans up here either. And yes, if you extract the black and Hispanic crime rate from whites, you would have very similar statistics to that of Europe in spite of our firearm ownership.

The point I'm trying to make is that guns are not the problem--people are the problem. Guns are merely the tool used by those people to commit these crimes. If you take away the ability for victims to defend themselves using firearms, then you would have armed criminals and disarmed victims. How could that solve anything? It would only make things worse.

But if you extract the blacks and the Hispanics, then you don't have America, you have cherry picking. And, as I said, if you cherry pick the stats in the UK, then you'll have a much lower number of murders than your cherry picked stats from the US. So what's the point?

Yes, people are the problem.

The problem with your argument is that PEOPLE WITH GUNS are MORE of a problem than people without guns, aren't they?

Is it easier to kill someone with the tool or without the tool? 69% of murders are with guns in the US Ray, in the UK it's 3.8% of murders. Why do you think that is Ray?

The US murder rate without guns would be 1.53, which is still a little high for First World nations, but there are others that are this high. It would be seen as normal. But add guns on top and you have a problem.
The UK's murder rate without guns is 0.99.

But you're not wrong that people are the problem, most of the problems are caused by the politicians not doing anything and the voters voting in those politicians who do nothing, in fact encourage the politicians to do nothing.

 

[Markle]

Yes, criminals in the UK are less likely to worry about such things. But UK crime isn't higher than US crime.

Why do you continue to lie about this FACT?

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

 

[Johann]

Did you support the provision that banned automatic weapons in 1986? Do you support it now? Why or why not?

Nah.

If we still had machine guns, it would save us a ton on our car insurance.

 

[BlackSand]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There is a comma in there ... And it specifically states "the people" ...

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[BlackSand]

Why do you continue to lie about this FACT?

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

The UK is dead last among all industrialized nations (along with Canada it comes in behind Brazil) as far as the breast cancer survival rate is concerned.
Yet ... The nit-wits in Washington DC keep telling us we need to come closer to the type single payer system the UK has.
Of course ... If you don't mind being the victim of violent crime ... Or aren't one of the 1 in 8 women who get breast cancer ...



... Nah ... It still sucks ...

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