Simple Poll on Israel

[GHook93]

Yes as does an independent Palestine, but living in Security and Peace with it neighbor!

 

[Anguille]

The United States and other Nations did nothing more then recognize the right of Israel to exist.

 

[Kalam]

Israel really isn't trying to win me over:

Israel killed Palestinians waving white flags, report says | csmonitor.com
The Associated Press: Rights group: Israel killed unarmed Palestinians
Israeli soldiers shot dead 11 unarmed Palestinian civilians with white flags in Gaza offensive, claims report | World news | guardian.co.uk
Israeli troops accused of white-flag murders - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

At least one of those children was clearly a terrorist.

 

[Shogun]

Yes as does an independent Palestine*, but living in Security and Peace with it neighbor!

your forgot to expand on that Astrix...


* - without a military that can rival israel
* - Who is willing to give up all resources that zion might want
* - Who is willing to give up temple mount before we take it anyway
* - Who is willing to take the land that no jew might want to live on
* - Who is willing to choose a different capital than the zion claimed Jerusalem - a city NEITHER groups actually founded.
* - Who takes a two state solution so that israel doesn't face the god-awful chance of becoming an ethnically plural nation
* - Who are willing to give up their history that doesn't count as much as the jewish history

Seriously, hook.. you are an embarrassment.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Simple poll on Israel . Does Israel have the right to exist?

Pilgrim Votes yes (Referring to myself in the 3rd person seems kinda kreepy )

 

[GHook93]

Depends.

If "Israel" means the state of Israel as it presently exists, then my answer is no.

If you're asking whether I think Jews and all other types of people have the right to live in Palestine under a secular and democratic government, my answer is yes.

Ambigious!

Are you saying you believe in a one state solution in which the Jews are ruled by Palestinians? Or do you mean a 2 state solution?

If you are referring to Israel today, they are are ignorant of their current government. Yes they call themselves the Jewish State, but they are ruled by secular laws and secular courts. All citizens of Israel have the same rights and the government has a separation of Church and State.

Visit Israel Kalam you will be pleasantly surprised that its nothing that your mosque protrays it as being.

 

[Shogun]

a one state solution in which the Jews are ruled by Palestinians



Those shifty ******* will OVER RUN our white 'MERICA!





Face it, you jewish racist, a single state where palis AND jews are validated in a common state is the only solution that doesn't stink of segregation and apartheid. But, your fear of "being rulled by non-jews" sure is telling! I'm sure some Alamaba Governors held the same opinion while grandstanding on the steps of a rather famous University campus.

Don't we know that jews are waaaay to superior to be held accountable for a demographic population? if ONLY there were a final plan to extract all those unwanteds...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

BREAKING NEWS:

Simple Poll turns into Anti-Israel Vs Pro Israel Bitch fest

 

[JBeukema]

I noticed RGS ran away after getting his ass handed to him.


Like always.

 

[Anguille]

. Yes they call themselves the Jewish State, but they are ruled by secular laws and secular courts. All citizens of Israel have the same rights and the government has a separation of Church and State.

If that is so, why is it that only Orthodox Jewish marriages and marriages performed outside Israel are recognised by the state?
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Restricted freedom to marry:[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Israel is a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Article 23 of the Covenant that declares that men and women have the right to marry and to found a family, and are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. However, Israel does not appear to have met its obligations under the Covenant. It is believed to be the only democratic nation in the world that does not allow its citizens access to a non-religious, civil marriage unless they leave the country.[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Since 1953, only Orthodox Jewish marriages, and civil marriages performed outside Israel, have been legally recognized by the Israeli state. While interfaith and other religious marriages are not prohibited, they are also not legally recognized by the state."[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Currently, only Orthodox rabbis are allowed to marry persons in Israel. People of different religions cannot be officially married. Secularists must leave the country in order to marry and have their weddings recognized by the state as legal. 7[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]According to author Suraya Dadoo: "The rules on marriage are enforced by Israel's small, but influential, Orthodox community. Drawing on Old Testament statutes, these rabbis argue that God recognizes only Jewish marriages conducted according to Orthodox tradition. With secular and liberal Jews now constituting the majority of the Israeli population, the situation has become increasingly problematic, as many reject Orthodox traditions, mainly because they believe it discriminates against women.
According to halakhic law (Jewish law), a marriage can conventionally be terminated in two ways: the death of a spouse, or the issuing of a get (divorce). A husband can, in principle, refuse to give a get indefinitely, and the woman cannot remarry or have children. In addition, childless widows must obtain a ritual release from their deceased husband's brother (levirate marriage) in order to re-marry. According to IRAC, those wanting a non-Orthodox religious ceremony simply have no choice in Israel." 12[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Further, the Israeli Knesset passed a marriage law in 2003-JUL which prevents Palestinians who marry Israelis from becoming Israeli citizens or residents. Citizens of other countries are allowed to do this. This law was passed as a response to the growing number of marriages of convenience, typically between a Palestinian man and an Israeli Arab woman. This entitles the husband to move into Israel-proper under the family-unification allowance, and receive a blue Israeli identity card. Some have become security risks.[/FONT]


Religious intolerance and strife in Israel

 

[Anguille]

BREAKING NEWS:

Simple Poll turns into Anti-Israel Vs Pro Israel Bitch fest

Don't you think that was RGS' intention in the first place?

 

[GHook93]

The real question is DOES PALESTINE HAVE A "RIGHT TO EXIST", sarge? What are your thoughts on that?

The simple answer! Absolutely!

 

[GHook93]

Simple poll on Israel . Does Israel have the right to exist?

Yes, because contrary to what King Arthur tried to promote, might does make right.

Que?

The basis of Israel's creation and it's religious requirements for citizenship are unjust.

Educate yourself before you speak about what you know nothing about. There is no religious requirement for citizenship. 20% of the country is entitled to citizenship (many who take) who are non-Jewish. True its harder for non-Jews to become citizens, but its still possible!

 

[Shogun]

The real question is DOES PALESTINE HAVE A "RIGHT TO EXIST", sarge? What are your thoughts on that?

The simple answer! Absolutely!*

what have I told you abut those damn astrix?

* "Because a single state solution where a pali might have an opinion above that of a jew is just CRAZY. Now, let me get back to enjoying me ethnic equality here in the United States"

 

[Shogun]

Educate yourself before you speak about what you know nothing about. There is no religious requirement for citizenship. 20% of the country is entitled to citizenship (many who take) who are non-Jewish. True its harder for non-Jews to become citizens, but its still possible!


Now, someone ask him if HIS JEWISH ASS is ready to accept the same kind of high hurdle for citizenship here in a nation that is an Aryan creation... Any bets on his answer? I've got "Fuck No, i won't sign an oath to an Aryan Nation" for 100 rep points.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

a one state solution in which the Jews are ruled by Palestinians



Those shifty ******* will OVER RUN our white 'MERICA!





Face it, you jewish racist, a single state where palis AND jews are validated in a common state is the only solution that doesn't stink of segregation and apartheid. But, your fear of "being rulled by non-jews" sure is telling! I'm sure some Alamaba Governors held the same opinion while grandstanding on the steps of a rather famous University campus.

Don't we know that jews are waaaay to superior to be held accountable for a demographic population? if ONLY there were a final plan to extract all those unwanteds...

And who REFUSED such a State? The Arabs did in 48. The Jews BEGGED them to stay and help create Israel. And the response? 5 Arab Armies trying to crush every Jew under their heel. 5 Arab armies bent on killing or driving out every Jew in Israel. 5 Arab armies that threatened to MURDER any Arab that stayed in Israel.

The Arabs of the region were GIVEN the opportunity to create a Country, bigger and better situated then Israel, they refused and chose murder and terrorism instead.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The real question is DOES PALESTINE HAVE A "RIGHT TO EXIST", sarge? What are your thoughts on that?

The simple answer! Absolutely!*

what have I told you abut those damn astrix?

* "Because a single state solution where a pali might have an opinion above that of a jew is just CRAZY. Now, let me get back to enjoying me ethnic equality here in the United States"

In Israel any Arab citizen has EXACTLY the same vote as any Jew. In fact last time I checked there were 12 Arabs in the Knesset. One of whom was second in command of a non Arab coalition. Sounds to me like they are and have equal representation there just fine. Further Arabs are given the right to refuse mandatory military service while encouraged to serve.

 

[GHook93]

Wow Ang could you find a more biased source! Sir, what you presented was disingenious and misleading. In Israel Jews, Muslim and Druze authorities all rule over Jewish, Muslim and Druze marriage like each party wants. Its hardest on secular Jews, since they need rabbical authorities to grant it. Just like in America many Priest will refuse to grant the marriage. However, its misleading to believe secular Jews can't marry. All my relatives in Israel are secular non-religious Jews and they are legally married. Muslim authorities reside over Muslim marriage. So if a Jew wants to marry a Muslim they would have to get approval from the Muslim authorities. Ditto for Christians. Ditto for Druze. May time the religious leaders of each sec don't want interfaith marriages. However, they can still marry overseas such as in Cyrus!

Marriage in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If that is so, why is it that only Orthodox Jewish marriages and marriages performed outside Israel are recognised by the state?


[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Israel is a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Article 23 of the Covenant that declares that men and women have the right to marry and to found a family, and are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. However, Israel does not appear to have met its obligations under the Covenant. It is believed to be the only democratic nation in the world that does not allow its citizens access to a non-religious, civil marriage unless they leave the country.[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Since 1953, only Orthodox Jewish marriages, and civil marriages performed outside Israel, have been legally recognized by the Israeli state. While interfaith and other religious marriages are not prohibited, they are also not legally recognized by the state."[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Currently, only Orthodox rabbis are allowed to marry persons in Israel. People of different religions cannot be officially married. Secularists must leave the country in order to marry and have their weddings recognized by the state as legal. 7[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]According to author Suraya Dadoo: "The rules on marriage are enforced by Israel's small, but influential, Orthodox community. Drawing on Old Testament statutes, these rabbis argue that God recognizes only Jewish marriages conducted according to Orthodox tradition. With secular and liberal Jews now constituting the majority of the Israeli population, the situation has become increasingly problematic, as many reject Orthodox traditions, mainly because they believe it discriminates against women.
According to halakhic law (Jewish law), a marriage can conventionally be terminated in two ways: the death of a spouse, or the issuing of a get (divorce). A husband can, in principle, refuse to give a get indefinitely, and the woman cannot remarry or have children. In addition, childless widows must obtain a ritual release from their deceased husband's brother (levirate marriage) in order to re-marry. According to IRAC, those wanting a non-Orthodox religious ceremony simply have no choice in Israel." 12[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Further, the Israeli Knesset passed a marriage law in 2003-JUL which prevents Palestinians who marry Israelis from becoming Israeli citizens or residents. Citizens of other countries are allowed to do this. This law was passed as a response to the growing number of marriages of convenience, typically between a Palestinian man and an Israeli Arab woman. This entitles the husband to move into Israel-proper under the family-unification allowance, and receive a blue Israeli identity card. Some have become security risks.[/FONT]


Religious intolerance and strife in Israel

 

[GHook93]

Your a chicken shit! Haven't seen your vote ya bigot!

 

[dj defkawn]

Lol people seriously, if some of you on this post just admited your only beef is that you feel Arabs are all less then human, and regardless of however many arab civilians are shot or blown up, or have limbs blown off, that you would really careless, as long as it's in the name of the Jewish people.