Silver: "Delusional People In Politics"

[zeke]

Hey boxer dog, What country are we in and what year is it? In your mind that is.

 

[beretta304]

Hey boxer dog, What country are we in and what year is it? In your mind that is.

Anything else Boxer's asshole?

You do know what history is and what the expression "the roots of" means as well?

The Boxer has been gone 2 days...good powers of observation, Skippy!

 

[thanatos144]

the history of labor unions has been intimately entwined with the history of global communism. As the influential Dutch astronomer and Marxist theorist Anton Pannekoek wrote in his 1908 treatise, “The Labor Movement and Socialism,” “The object of the labor movement is to increase the strength of the proletariat to the point at which it can conquer the organized force of the bourgeoisie and thus establish its own supremacy.”

Vladimir Lenin agreed and made unions an integral part of the “people’s republic” he founded in 1917. “Shakedown Socialism” author Oleg Atbashian, a propagandist for the Soviet Union before he migrated the United States in 1994, writes that in the Soviet Union, “organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory” and “that system’s seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality and grotesque injustice.”

Hmm, sounds a lot like what unions have inflicted upon the United States: wholesale corruption as many union chapters have historically acted as fronts for organized crime; forced inequality as unionized public employees out-earn their counterparts in the private sector; grotesque injustice as greedy unions strong-armed lavish salaries and benefits for themselves that bust the budgets of entire states, forcing non-union folks to suffer higher taxes and fewer services.



PATTERSON: Labor unions and communism - Washington Times

Isnt it amazing that they expect people not to notice how a Union is structured? Or that is is amazing just like a communist political structure? Maybe many are to young to know politburo.

 

[beretta304]

the history of labor unions has been intimately entwined with the history of global communism. As the influential Dutch astronomer and Marxist theorist Anton Pannekoek wrote in his 1908 treatise, “The Labor Movement and Socialism,” “The object of the labor movement is to increase the strength of the proletariat to the point at which it can conquer the organized force of the bourgeoisie and thus establish its own supremacy.”

Vladimir Lenin agreed and made unions an integral part of the “people’s republic” he founded in 1917. “Shakedown Socialism” author Oleg Atbashian, a propagandist for the Soviet Union before he migrated the United States in 1994, writes that in the Soviet Union, “organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory” and “that system’s seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality and grotesque injustice.”

Hmm, sounds a lot like what unions have inflicted upon the United States: wholesale corruption as many union chapters have historically acted as fronts for organized crime; forced inequality as unionized public employees out-earn their counterparts in the private sector; grotesque injustice as greedy unions strong-armed lavish salaries and benefits for themselves that bust the budgets of entire states, forcing non-union folks to suffer higher taxes and fewer services.



PATTERSON: Labor unions and communism - Washington Times

Isnt it amazing that they expect people not to notice how a Union is structured? Or that is is amazing just like a communist political structure? Maybe many are to young to know politburo.

Zekey is a child-like simpleton. He can't grasp the roots of how labor unions started so he tosses his own salad and put his foot in his own mouth.

 

[beretta304]

the history of labor unions has been intimately entwined with the history of global communism. As the influential Dutch astronomer and Marxist theorist Anton Pannekoek wrote in his 1908 treatise, “The Labor Movement and Socialism,” “The object of the labor movement is to increase the strength of the proletariat to the point at which it can conquer the organized force of the bourgeoisie and thus establish its own supremacy.”

Vladimir Lenin agreed and made unions an integral part of the “people’s republic” he founded in 1917. “Shakedown Socialism” author Oleg Atbashian, a propagandist for the Soviet Union before he migrated the United States in 1994, writes that in the Soviet Union, “organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory” and “that system’s seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality and grotesque injustice.”

Hmm, sounds a lot like what unions have inflicted upon the United States: wholesale corruption as many union chapters have historically acted as fronts for organized crime; forced inequality as unionized public employees out-earn their counterparts in the private sector; grotesque injustice as greedy unions strong-armed lavish salaries and benefits for themselves that bust the budgets of entire states, forcing non-union folks to suffer higher taxes and fewer services.



PATTERSON: Labor unions and communism - Washington Times

Isnt it amazing that they expect people not to notice how a Union is structured? Or that is is amazing just like a communist political structure? Maybe many are to young to know politburo.

Join and pay dues...or no job. Sounds fair to me...

 

[zeke]

Hey boxer dog. Fuk you.

What about the year we are in and the country we are in.

Are you so fuking stupid that you don't know the year and the country? You got any evidence that todays unions are communist. If not, shut the fuk up.

What a fuking asshole you are. No ifs ands or buts about it.

 

[thanatos144]

Hey boxer dog. Fuk you.

What about the year we are in and the country we are in.

Are you so fuking stupid that you don't know the year and the country? You got any evidence that todays unions are communist. If not, shut the fuk up.

What a fuking asshole you are. No ifs ands or buts about it.

So we should ignore the history of the communist organization and still ignore the socialist organizations that still support it cause you say it doesn't mater? I am sorry but some of us like using our brain.

 

[beretta304]

Hey boxer dog. Fuk you.

What about the year we are in and the country we are in.

Are you so fuking stupid that you don't know the year and the country? You got any evidence that todays unions are communist. If not, shut the fuk up.

What a fuking asshole you are. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Keep flapping away. You lose...

You have any idea what air looks like since you can't see it?

 

[beretta304]

Hey boxer dog. Fuk you.

What about the year we are in and the country we are in.

Are you so fuking stupid that you don't know the year and the country? You got any evidence that todays unions are communist. If not, shut the fuk up.

What a fuking asshole you are. No ifs ands or buts about it.

So we should ignore the history of the communist organization and still ignore the socialist organizations that still support it cause you say it doesn't mater? I am sorry but some of us like using our brain.

With a simpleton like zeke all one has to do is let his post stand as he posted it. Notice it's chock full of refutation.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Silver is spot on...........4 years from now, the economy wil still be in the shitter and the hopelessly duped will still be saying, "We're still digging out of this Bush mess!!!"

We may still be doing that. We are still digging out from under some of the stuff Reagan and even FDR did. Bad financial decisions can cast extremely long shadows, and Bush really screwed the pooch on some of his decisions.

As for the OP: Silver's earned the right to call out one of the weaknesses of politics, namely it's hard to call out the bullshitters because of how subjective things can be. We're now about 2 months out from the election and folks STILL can't agree why Obama won. You have loonies on the Right talking about the apocalyptic "tipping point" between the haves and have nots. You have a bit less lunacy on the Left right now, but they won so they don't have to get hysterical. Very few on the Right are actually bothering to intelligently critique all of the things that went wrong. That bodes ill for the GOP Presidential chances in 4 years.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

You mean like the delusion of higher taxes and more spending is a good thing for the economy?

The opposite is not true either. You can not simply tax cut your way into prosperity. The Great State of Louisiana has cratered its tax revenue at this point and is still looking a possibly 1 billion dollar budget short fall in the Summer. The State healthcare, education system, and physical infrastructure are so laughably bad that no company in their right mind wants to relocate there and the educated citizens that can find jobs out of state are leaving as fast as they can. There are literally no taxes left to cut to draw folks back in.

Growing an economy requires an investment in basic infrastructure and social services, and that does indeed require spending and taxes. It is very definitely possible to kill development by under taxing and under spending. Just come move to my state and you'll see it happening now.

 

[SniperFire]

You mean like the delusion of higher taxes and more spending is a good thing for the economy?

The opposite is not true either. You can not simply tax cut your way into prosperity. The Great State of Louisiana has cratered its tax revenue at this point and is still looking a possibly 1 billion dollar budget short fall in the Summer. The State healthcare, education system, and physical infrastructure are so laughably bad that no company in their right mind wants to relocate there and the educated citizens that can find jobs out of state are leaving as fast as they can. There are literally no taxes left to cut to draw folks back in.

Growing an economy requires an investment in basic infrastructure and social services, and that does indeed require spending and taxes. It is very definitely possible to kill development by under taxing and under spending. Just come move to my state and you'll see it happening now.

Says...... you?

 

[thanatos144]

You mean like the delusion of higher taxes and more spending is a good thing for the economy?

The opposite is not true either. You can not simply tax cut your way into prosperity. The Great State of Louisiana has cratered its tax revenue at this point and is still looking a possibly 1 billion dollar budget short fall in the Summer. The State healthcare, education system, and physical infrastructure are so laughably bad that no company in their right mind wants to relocate there and the educated citizens that can find jobs out of state are leaving as fast as they can. There are literally no taxes left to cut to draw folks back in.

Growing an economy requires an investment in basic infrastructure and social services, and that does indeed require spending and taxes. It is very definitely possible to kill development by under taxing and under spending. Just come move to my state and you'll see it happening now.

Says...... you?

I am guessing so cause history said otherwise.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

So we should ignore the history of the communist organization and still ignore the socialist organizations that still support it cause you say it doesn't mater? I am sorry but some of us like using our brain.

So we should ignore some of the worst abuses of Capitalism, such as poisoning communities, water supplies, and air, or abusive child labor practices, or knowingly selling unsafe products, or knowingly operating unsafe mines and factories....

Unions were created by workers in response to some pretty terrible practices, and like it or not they have improved the general working environment for a vast majority of people. They have their excesses, but so does unregulated and un-supervised industry. Sometimes the balance tips too far one way or another, in the end it generally gets balanced back out.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Says...... you?

Says reality. Come move to Lousiana. Good luck finding a job, though at least you won't pay crap in taxes on anything.

The end of the game is revenue. Right now, states like Texas and Alaska can afford to have low tax rates because they have large amounts of non-tax revenue. Louisiana to some extent has that too, but they've cut so deep they can't even maintain the Hospitals, schools, and roads here. And the businesses are reacting by leaving.

 

[thanatos144]

So we should ignore the history of the communist organization and still ignore the socialist organizations that still support it cause you say it doesn't mater? I am sorry but some of us like using our brain.

So we should ignore some of the worst abuses of Capitalism, such as poisoning communities, water supplies, and air, or abusive child labor practices, or knowingly selling unsafe products, or knowingly operating unsafe mines and factories....

Unions were created by workers in response to some pretty terrible practices, and like it or not they have improved the general working environment for a vast majority of people. They have their excesses, but so does unregulated and un-supervised industry. Sometimes the balance tips too far one way or another, in the end it generally gets balanced back out.

So we all should be communist cause a few assholes? Sorry not buying it. If you dont like your job quit.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I am guessing so cause history said otherwise.

It is possible to overtax and kill an economy, but go check out the tax rates at the end of WWII when the economy was roaring back, or the tax rates at the end of Reagan's term in office when the economy was strong, or the tax rates under Clinton. It does not follow that a higher tax rate corresponds to a stagnant economy. Take a look at the Bush tax cuts and the mess the economy was for a fairly long time in his Presidency. Tax cuts do not necessarily relate to economic growth.

It's like alcohol. Too much is always a bad thing. Too many taxes or too many tax cuts and you can kill an economy just as surely one was as the other.

 

[SniperFire]

Says...... you?

Says reality. Come move to Lousiana. Good luck finding a job, though at least you won't pay crap in taxes on anything.

The end of the game is revenue. Right now, states like Texas and Alaska can afford to have low tax rates because they have large amounts of non-tax revenue. Louisiana to some extent has that too, but they've cut so deep they can't even maintain the Hospitals, schools, and roads here. And the businesses are reacting by leaving.

No thanks. Too many freeloaders sucking the system dry.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

So we all should be communist cause a few assholes? Sorry not buying it. If you dont like your job quit.

See, this is why no one is taking you seriously. You just jumped from one extreme to the next and made assumptions (and an ass of yourself) by assuming I was of an extremist point of view.

I am definitely not in favor of requiring Union membership for employment. I definitely am in favor of allowing Unions to exist and collectively negotiate. I'd much rather have a world with Unions for workers that feel they're being treated unfairly than a world without it.

And for the record, a few assholes can kill or injure a hell of a lot of people. This is why we regulate stuff in the first place in the markets. It's why the FDA, EPA, and other organizations exist. It's definitely why Unions exist.

 

[thanatos144]

So we all should be communist cause a few assholes? Sorry not buying it. If you dont like your job quit.

See, this is why no one is taking you seriously. You just jumped from one extreme to the next and made assumptions (and an ass of yourself) by assuming I was of an extremist point of view.

I am definitely not in favor of requiring Union membership for employment. I definitely am in favor of allowing Unions to exist and collectively negotiate. I'd much rather have a world with Unions for workers that feel they're being treated unfairly than a world without it.

And for the record, a few assholes can kill or injure a hell of a lot of people. This is why we regulate stuff in the first place in the markets. It's why the FDA, EPA, and other organizations exist. It's definitely why Unions exist.

If you are a union member you are infacto a communist member. Thats not a extreme that just the truth.